Josh Allen in concussion protocol: Update cleared 10/5

[Capco]

If the docs say he's good to go, he's good to go.  

 

My unprofessional medical opinion is that the team docs are pushed to give players a pass even when they might be on the fence (it's the billion-dollar NFL we are talking about).  That's the only thing that worries me because I want Josh to be our guy long term.  

 

But again, idk ***** about concussions, so I defer to the docs.  

[reddogblitz]

Just now, Boca BIlls said:

So you are saying they need to predict Singletary getting injured?

 

We need depth.  Football is a game of attrition.  It's not if injuries will happen, but when.  Couple that with your second string RB you're evidently afraid to give the football to and we are where we're at.  Ranks up there in player personnel decisions with Nate Peterman is a starting QB and we'll back him up with a rookie.

[VW82]

11 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

that's fair

 

 

You know what's not fair? Cutting up someone's posts so you can remove context in order to misrepresent what was said. At least have the courage to quote the whole thing and bold it. Do us both a favour and stop quoting me unless/until you want to have an actual discussion that doesn't involve BS attempts to put people on blast. 

Edited October 2, 2019 by VW82

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Capco said:

If the docs say he's good to go, he's good to go.  

 

My unprofessional medical opinion is that the team docs are pushed to give players a pass even when they might be on the fence (it's the billion-dollar NFL we are talking about).  That's the only thing that worries me because I want Josh to be our guy long term.  

 

But again, idk ***** about concussions, so I defer to the docs.  

Team docs can’t clear him. 

[Patrick Duffy]

Great news! Glad to hear this. Hopefully he will be ready to get another road victory after the last game.I'm sure he is ready and wants to put on a show after the rough go around last Sunday.

[LeGOATski]

3 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

BUT WAS IT AN ACCURATE PASS!!!?!?!?!?!

 

We need to get back to arguing about his abilities, not his condition.

The medical tent was not worried.

 

That's all you need to know!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, VW82 said:

 

You know what's not fair? Cutting up someone's posts so you can remove context in order to misrepresent what was said. At least have the courage to quote the whole thing and bold it. Do us both a favour and stop quoting me unless/until you want to have an actual discussion that doesn't involve BS attempts to put people on blast. 

 

Oh good Lord. That was the portion I wished to address. The rest was fluff. Get over yourself.

 

[Capco]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

Team docs can’t clear him. 

 

I was referring to whoever was really, but good to know nonetheless.  I thought that was just a game-day thing.  

 

That's good that they keep them separate though.  

[Boca BIlls]

3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

We need depth.  Football is a game of attrition.  It's not if injuries will happen, but when.  Couple that with your second string RB you're evidently afraid to give the football to and we are where we're at.  Ranks up there in player personnel decisions with Nate Peterman is a starting QB and we'll back him up with a rookie.

They have what they needed. Just not long ago many didn't want Shady. I highly doubt he would produce in this offense. KC is the fit for him he was done here.

 

You can't look at what he is doing and think he would do the same here. Singletary will be back and you can find something else to argue about.

Edited October 2, 2019 by Boca BIlls

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

The medical tent was not worried.

 

That's all you need to know!

GOOD ENOUGH!!

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Capco said:

 

I was referring to whoever was really, but good to know nonetheless.  I thought that was just a game-day thing.  

 

That's good that they keep them separate though.  

Yeah. It has to be an independent neurologist. 

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Oh good Lord. That was the portion I wished to address. The rest was fluff. Get over yourself.

 

 

[row_33]

12 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Yeah. It has to be an independent neurologist. 

 

been somewhat of a requirement since the one team doctor sewed the tongue of an opposing QB to his cheek

 

 

[Logic]

7 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

They're not, though. They're a middling defense. The one thing they're good at is red zone defense. They ended last year ranked 2nd there. The Bills would benefit from having Josh in for the red zone.

Fair enough. They are 4th in the league in points allowed defensively, if I'm not mistaken. That's huge. As it is, our offense has shown that they can move the ball up and down the field, but have trouble cashing in in the red zone. I agree that having Allen would give them great help in that regard, given the threat that he presents with his legs. Though, to be honest, it'd be nice to see him have a great and complete game AS A PASSER instead of taking brutal hits every week in order to score. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'll take touchdowns any way I can get them, but...after seeing what happened to Allen on Sunday, I'm not exactly eager to watch him diving for 1st downs again.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

15 minutes ago, Logic said:

The problem is that he needs to complete stage 5 and then be cleared by an independent neurologist. Even in the most optimistic of timelines, that means that he gets cleared for full practice on Friday at the earliest. Is this coaching staff going to feel like it's wise to push a QB with one day of practice out onto the field, or is it more likely that they take the cautious approach and sit him against the Titans anyway so that he has three full weeks to recover.

I hope Allen heals fast and plays, and its definitely a good sign that he's already in stage 4 of the protocol. That being said, it's absolutely not a lock that he plays this weekend.

 

I’m sure you’re correct. If he can do film and classroom stuff and full practice Friday he’s gotta be a go though...  I am hoping

Edited October 2, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

 

 

Me or him?

 

 

[VW82]

3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

good portion to address.

 

 

Thank you. I thought so too.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, VW82 said:

 

Thank you. I thought so too.

 

?

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Frenchy Fuqua is a very nice upgrade for reliable info and perspective this season. 

[reddogblitz]

1 minute ago, Boca BIlls said:

They have what they needed. Just not long ago many didn't want Shady. I highly doubt he would produce in this offense. KC is the fit for him he was done here.

 

I don't care what "many" want.  I didn't want it.  We need RB depth. We had it but cut Shady to keep Yeldon who McDermott is afraid to let carry the football.  So we only had one on Sunday even though our run blocking was working well.

 

Shady was done here because we cut him.  The man can obviously still ball.  I'm getting tired of KC taking the guys we don't want and winning a lot with them.  

[Capco]

5 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

been somewhat of a requirement since the one team doctor sewed the tongue of an opposing QB to his cheek

 

Hahaha what?!  No way.  

[klos63]

35 minutes ago, Ta111 said:

The difference is your defense has to play a lot different if Allen plays vs Barkley. Most teams keep a spy on Allen and won’t against Barkley so it does make a significant difference.

Other than that, it's the same playbook. I agree there is a difference, just don't see it being that big of one as far as planning goes. Add a couple things, maybe take out a couple...

[Boca BIlls]

2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I don't care what "many" want.  I didn't want it.  We need RB depth. We had it but cut Shady to keep Yeldon who McDermott is afraid to let carry the football.  So we only had one on Sunday even though our run blocking was working well.

 

Shady was done here because we cut him.  The man can obviously still ball.  I'm getting tired of KC taking the guys we don't want and winning a lot with them.  

He can ball in KC where they are not worried about the run. 

 

The Bills, teams try to stop the run first.

 

Mahomes is a huge reason why Shady is good this year.

Edited October 2, 2019 by Boca BIlls

[Ta111]

Just now, klos63 said:

Other than that, it's the same playbook. I agree there is a difference, just don't see it being that big of one as far as planning goes. Add a couple things, maybe take out a couple...

Agreed it’s the same playbook, but you will probably use it differently based upon the QB’s strengths and weaknesses.

[klos63]

36 minutes ago, Ta111 said:

The difference is your defense has to play a lot different if Allen plays vs Barkley. Most teams keep a spy on Allen and won’t against Barkley so it does make a significant difference.

That's one thing. Significant or not, it doesn't dramatically change how they'll prepare this week. Instead of spying, they go into coverage or rush....or something else. That's all.

[Boca BIlls]

27 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

I don't play Allen this week regardless.  Barkley can beat the Titians, so give Allen the bye week to rest and more fully recover from the concussion.

No, he probably can't... People don't realize he is a backup for a reason. He isn't good.

[LeGOATski]

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

Fair enough. They are 4th in the league in points allowed defensively, if I'm not mistaken. That's huge. As it is, our offense has shown that they can move the ball up and down the field, but have trouble cashing in in the red zone. I agree that having Allen would give them great help in that regard, given the threat that he presents with his legs. Though, to be honest, it'd be nice to see him have a great and complete game AS A PASSER instead of taking brutal hits every week in order to score. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'll take touchdowns any way I can get them, but...after seeing what happened to Allen on Sunday, I'm not exactly eager to watch him diving for 1st downs again.

Me neither. He needs to save the hero stuff for the 4th quarter if it's actually needed. Besides his legs, his red zone throwing shouldn't be underestimated. He can throw on the run and rocket balls into tight windows, which is crucial in the red zone.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

29 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

How many stages are there?  

 

12

 

 

oh wait ... thats a different list   

LOL 

[klos63]

Just now, Ta111 said:

Agreed it’s the same playbook, but you will probably use it differently based upon the QB’s strengths and weaknesses.

I agree, i just don't think it's that big a deal. Probably just a handful of plays. They're not changing their base defense. Might just change strategy. But probably not, gonna blitz either QB a lot because it's probably good strategy. Prepare for Allen since he's more to deal with and a few adjustments for Barkley.

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Well, as bad a day as Allen had, it wasn’t the ultimate difference in the game. It was a shame he didn’t have an opportunity to finish the game because his 4th quarter stats this year are among the best in the league. 

 

Also, as much as I dislike his decision making on those INTs and the sacks he took, I’m more concerned about his not taking what the D was giving him. Part of that is on Daboll, but it’s mostly on Allen. If there is a glimmer of a silver lining in that regard, he came out in the second half and started doing exactly that. 

 

This

 

1 hour ago, MDH said:

 

Obviously the punt block was a huge difference, but that happened in the 1st quarter. The team had ample opportunity to overcome that mistake and failed to do so.

 

A offense putting up 10 points isn't going to win often in this league. An offense that turns the ball over 4 times isn't going to win often in this league. It's not impossible (See: Jets) but it's a statistical anomaly. 

 

Josh took sacks on 3 different third downs that either put the Bills out of FG range or made the FG attempt more difficult. To me, these are bigger plays than the INTs in terms of the Bills winning or losing. The first one I wasn't egregious, he got blitzed and they got to him fast. Yeah, a QB is supposed to read the blitz, know where his outlet is and get rid of it but he's young, THIS is a young QBs mistake. The other two were just horrendous. He sat back in the pocket for 5-6 seconds and still took a sack. These decisions led directly to 3-6 points being taken off the board. This is fundamental stuff, stuff a college QB knows not to do. There are simply no excuses for it.

 

As for scoring from inside the 10, you have to ask yourself, would Allen have had the Bills inside the 10 to begin with? To get down there Barkley threw a deep pass to Brown to convert a 3rd down. That was the first deep pass that came within 5 yards of a Bills WR all game. Maybe Josh gets them down there, maybe he doesn't. Maybe Josh and his clutch gene get the ball into the end zone in the 4th quarter, maybe he doesn't. Elway didn't complete every 4th quarter comeback, just because a QB has that ability doesn't mean it happens every time.

 

What I do know is that Allen was horrible on Sunday. Everything else is just speculation.

 

I don't get why people can't just say Allen was horrible, he was a huge reason the Bills lost (there is never a single reason, it's a team game) and still think he can be the franchise guy for the Bills moving forward. These aren't mutually exclusive ideas but it seems fans or so sensitive to the QB position that they fear giving an inch when someone questions their QB.

 

I don't know why "people" think that saying Allen wasn't THE reason for the loss is somehow excusing a bad game. The ideas aren't mutually exclusive, but it seems that some fans are so sensitive to the QB issue that they feel the need to place the blame solely on his shoulders.

[klos63]

2 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:

No, he probably can't... People don't realize he is a backup for a reason. He isn't good.

It's really amazing how people totally ignore his entire career except for 1 game against the Jets last year. Maybe he's a different QB now, if so , great. But let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[Chandler#81]

29 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

WHY IS THIS SO FRIGGIN HARD FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND????

 

ITS NOT LIKE ITS A GD HAMSTRING!!!!

 

ITS EITHER YOUR CLEARED OR YOUR NOT!!!!! 

OUCH! You don’t have to yell!

 

[Freddie's Dead]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s not considered “rushing” if he’s cleared by an independent neurologist 

 

 

 

I've done a lot of independent research into concussions and protocols as part of a safety committee for another sport.  The protocols are not conservative enough.  I approach concussions much more conservatively than many of my colleagues.  I'm more concerned with JA's long-term health than a short-term game this week.

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I agree, i just don't think it's that big a deal. Probably just a handful of plays. They're not changing their base defense. Might just change strategy. But probably not, gonna blitz either QB a lot because it's probably good strategy. Prepare for Allen since he's more to deal with and a few adjustments for Barkley.

Interesting take. I’m thinking Vrabel blitzes on a high % of plays because Belichick did and the Bills had trouble handling it. Won’t have to focus on taking away escape lanes if Allen doesn’t go. I think the O has their work cut out here. 

[klos63]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Interesting take. I’m thinking Vrabel blitzes on a high % of plays because Belichick did and the Bills had trouble handling it. Won’t have to focus on taking away escape lanes if Allen doesn’t go. I think the O has their work cut out here. 

I agree with regards to the blitzing. Imperative we run well and often.  Avoid 3rd and longs... but that's always the case.

Edited October 2, 2019 by klos63

[LeGOATski]

4 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

I've done a lot of independent research into concussions and protocols as part of a safety committee for another sport.  The protocols are not conservative enough.  I approach concussions much more conservatively than many of my colleagues.  I'm more concerned with JA's long-term health than a short-term game this week.

If they want to do a better job eliminating them, I think they should adopt the college targeting rule. 

 

If Josh is cleared by the INC, he'll be fine. No reason to hold him out. Good luck trying to convince him to be conservative, lol

[london_bills]

Just talking about injuries, gutted when Allen got the concussion but did anyone else think an injury to this guy was just a matter of time?

 

I was worried about an ACL or some s*** when he was getting brought down on the line of scrimmage. Ok so I'm a worrier ??

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, klos63 said:

I agree with regards to the blitzing. Imperative we run well and often.  Avoid 3rd and longs... but that's always the case.

For sure, a solid rushing game will keep them in 3rd and reasonable. Can’t get behind the sticks. A healthy Singletary could really help. 

1 minute ago, LeGOATski said:

If they want to do a better job eliminating them, I think they should adopt the college targeting rule. 

 

If Josh is cleared by the INC, he'll be fine. No reason to hold him out. Good luck trying to convince him to be conservative, lol

Couldn’t agree more. Targeting rule would make cheap shot artists think twice. A penalty or fine is big, but not a big enough deterrent.There isn’t much gray area about intent in targeting, it either is or it isn’t. 

[london_bills]

I would be surprised if Allen plays Sunday.