Reed83HOF Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 I'm not sure if it is what Josh is seeing and his ability to process the defense once they start making changes, especially after the half, or if it is us being conservative with the playcalling. I kinda feel like it is both, but for 3 straight weeks we have had our asses handed to us in the 3rd. This happening once is one thing, but it has been 3 straight games and it is a trend... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Josh is going to need to develop a sense of urgency in the middle portions of the game. He can't coast on a lead or rely on a defense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Not disagreeing but let's be real here. The young buck QBs should not be "dominating." This is still the NFL and defenses adjust. Look at Lamarr today. Good thing he has elite WR skills bc he struggled. Baker has been bad. Sam struggled in week 1. Josh is right where he needs to be. Which is in contrast to the 90 percent of pundits that thought he would never be good. 8 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: Not disagreeing but let's be real here. The young buck QBs should not be "dominating." This is still the NFL and defenses adjust. Look at Lamarr today. Good thing he has elite WR skills bc he struggled. Baker has been bad. Sam struggled in week 1. Josh is right where he needs to be. Which is in contrast to the 90 percent of pundits that thought he would never be good. Good post! 100% correct, the key thing is to survive and win and Josh did that today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: Not disagreeing but let's be real here. The young buck QBs should not be "dominating." This is still the NFL and defenses adjust. Look at Lamarr today. Good thing he has elite WR skills bc he struggled. Baker has been bad. Sam struggled in week 1. Josh is right where he needs to be. Which is in contrast to the 90 percent of pundits that thought he would never be good. agreed... People seem to forget that even QB's like Brady and Big Ben relied HEAVILY on the run game and defense for their first couple of years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artem Lipatov Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 But Bills ars strong in 4th quarter. And I accept it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 The scripted 15 or so plays to start the game have been great so far. After that, Josh's ability to read the D is still a work in progress. He's getting better but there were about 5-7 plays in the second hafl that he left out on the field. Still, like Brett Farve, it may not be pretty but the kid's got a real ability to rise to the occasion, especially since coming back from injury last year... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Did anyone just see Deshaun Watson's bonehead backward pass a few min ago? It happens. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Not disagreeing but let's be real here. The young buck QBs should not be "dominating." This is still the NFL and defenses adjust. Look at Lamarr today. Good thing he has elite WR skills bc he struggled. Baker has been bad. Sam struggled in week 1. Josh is right where he needs to be. Which is in contrast to the 90 percent of pundits that thought he would never be good. Just because he is young doesn't give him a pass; and, I do understand and agree with you... As a team we have to row here and fix it, so does he... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I'm not sure if it is what Josh is seeing and his ability to process the defense once they start making changes, especially after the half, or if it is us being conservative with the playcalling. I kinda feel like it is both, but for 3 straight weeks we have had our asses handed to us in the 3rd. This happening once is one thing, but it has been 3 straight games and it is a trend... There are 2 goals: Keep developing Allen and win. They do not need to be mutually exclusive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Think its been a combination of play calling and execution Seems like things get sloppy when they have a lead. That seems to where the penalties and turnovers creep in.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 minute ago, DuckyBoys said: Think its been a combination of play calling and execution Seems like things get sloppy when they have a lead. That seems to where the penalties and turnovers creep in.. This is my read too. It feels like we out-think ourselves after halftime with regard to play-calling, and also the players don't execute the plays that are called. Regardless, all three third quarters have been disasters. Whatever the problem is, they've got to get this sorted out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 Also don't turn this thread into a ***** show; there should be some good discussion on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Just because he is young doesn't give him a pass; and, I do understand and agree with you... As a team we have to row here and fix it, so does he... I was glad to see Daboll chewing him out after the stupid INT. There is a place to pat a guy on the back (or the um...whatever McD was doing there with Knox) and a place to ream a guy out. That was the time and place to chew him out. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: I was glad to see Daboll chewing him out after the stupid INT. There is a place to pat a guy on the back (or the um...whatever McD was doing there with Knox) and a place to ream a guy out. That was the time and place to chew him out. Led to 7 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Did anyone just see Deshaun Watson's bonehead backward pass a few min ago? It happens. Yup! But it I think it’s fair to discuss. It can be possible to see a potential weakness and not think it’s end of the world. It it might be a case of him struggling after the “scripted” plays and into the initial adjustments after halftime before getting to the “just make plays” of the 4th quarter. Whether that’s true, I have no idea but it doesn’t seem crazy that he’s a little tight when it’s in that middle ground. Could be purely coincidental. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I'm not sure if it is what Josh is seeing and his ability to process the defense once they start making changes, especially after the half, or if it is us being conservative with the playcalling. I kinda feel like it is both, but for 3 straight weeks we have had our asses handed to us in the 3rd. This happening once is one thing, but it has been 3 straight games and it is a trend... The Giants game, it definitely seemed our offense was just sitting on the lead. I wouldn't say that was the case in the Jets game (we were down 16-0). Today just seemed like a repeat of the Jets game with mistakes piling up and finally biting us. We don't seem to have a problem moving the ball, as much as we've got troubles with turnovers, penalties, missed blocks and drops. Offenses tend to take on the identity of the Quarterback, and right now the the Bills are just sloppy. The potential is there to be a very dangerous offense. But Josh Allen needs to find the balance between making BIG PLAYS and protecting the ball. The interception easily could have cost us today's game... as could the fumble before halftime. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Having completed my 3rd game watching the full field from the cheap seats, it's definitely a case of bad playcalling and execution by Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Did anyone just see Deshaun Watson's bonehead backward pass a few min ago? It happens. I was watching the Ravens-Chiefs game on another screen. Both Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson were CONSTANTLY throwing up ridiculous jump-balls. Regardless, we are seeing to much of it from Josh Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 38 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I'm not sure if it is what Josh is seeing and his ability to process the defense once they start making changes, especially after the half, or if it is us being conservative with the playcalling. I kinda feel like it is both, but for 3 straight weeks we have had our asses handed to us in the 3rd. This happening once is one thing, but it has been 3 straight games and it is a trend... they need to run more but Allen definitely had some execution errors but hes a gamer and knows how to rally. 1 minute ago, mjt328 said: I was watching the Ravens-Chiefs game on another screen. Both Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson were CONSTANTLY throwing up ridiculous jump-balls. Regardless, we are seeing to much of it from Josh Allen. More picks for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Post from Bengals board: "IF the Bills had an actual good QB, they would have scored 42 points on us." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: they need to run more but Allen definitely had some execution errors but hes a gamer and knows how to rally. You can't put it all on him, since penalties start to creep up as well. You can't just let it slip away and then come back and win every week. It's great to beable to come back in the 4th, unlike with previous QBs. Again purpose is not to hate on Allen, but it's an area that him and the team have to improve upon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Post from Bengals board: "IF the Bills had an actual good QB, they would have scored 42 points on us." If Yeldon doesn't fumble it's 18-0 early ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 50 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Josh is going to need to develop a sense of urgency in the middle portions of the game. He can't coast on a lead or rely on a defense. I dont think he coasted. The Bills got really conservative after they went up by 14. Josh made mistakes but he gave everything he had on each play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 minute ago, auburnbillsbacker said: I dont think he coasted. The Bills got really conservative after they went up by 14. Josh made mistakes but he gave everything he had on each play. I don't think it was a lack of effort but rather a lack of urgency by both the playcalling and from Josh to a degree. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, PolishPrince said: agreed... People seem to forget that even QB's like Brady and Big Ben relied HEAVILY on the run game and defense for their first couple of years Thing is, this was a game where I felt the Bills should have relied on the run more, especially early. They have a good defense to lean on, and the Bengals have a terrible run defense, but good pass rushing front 7. They came out passing almost as frequently as they did week 1. 3 and out on the opening drive was a slap to Daboll. Edited September 22, 2019 by Drunken Pygmy Goat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said: If Yeldon doesn't fumble it's 18-0 early ... exactly, Yeldon is too finsesse, goes down at first contact and can't protect the football, bring back Marcus Murphy, the guy runs hard. I got mad at Allen today, that interception was one of the supidest decision ever, throw it away already or take the grounding penalty, all better outcomes than letting the Bengals gain momentum and making it a game. Then, I realize he is still in his second year and you watch him march down the field to come back from behind. It would be nice if we could function on offense in the 3rd qtr in the upcoming games, though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: Post from Bengals board: "IF the Bills had an actual good QB, they would have scored 42 points on us." Wgaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 If Yeldon doesn't fumble, this thread doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 this game was a bit like the jets game. when they played well they played really well but some really stupid plays made life a lot more difficult than it should have been for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Allen needs to be better, but I’ve read the Bengals board... that quote posted here isn’t emblematic of what most of their fans are saying. Another aspect is our OL got their **** pushed in on pass pro today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Psshhttt. Whatever. No need for quarters 2 and 3 when we kick butt in quarters 1 and 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse Nuts Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Not disagreeing but let's be real here. The young buck QBs should not be "dominating." This is still the NFL and defenses adjust. Look at Lamarr today. Good thing he has elite WR skills bc he struggled. Baker has been bad. Sam struggled in week 1. Josh is right where he needs to be. Which is in contrast to the 90 percent of pundits that thought he would never be good. Absolutely! We have to temper our sky high expectations and remember how underdeveloped he is still. The the other guys played at big schools with big-time programs that played other big schools. They were so much better prepared for the pros the day they walked off campus for the last time. Allen is doing incredible when you really put it into perspective. It's probably at least in part because he was in that amazing draft class that people always automatically compare him to the others. What Allen played and played against at Wyoming was nothing compared to the big school programs. Considering he's already handicapped and set back a few years behind his peers in that draft, he's doing pretty amazing right now. We really better prepare for another year or two of bumps and scrapes before we can expect 10+ win seasons. Don't be dissapointed or give up on Allen if that happens. It should be expected. From what we have seen so far of his positives, the sky really is the limit for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJauronClap Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I've noticed in games 2 and 3 the giants and bengals started sending more blitzes and different pressures idk if josh isn't seeing it right to adjust or daboll isnt adjusting it and leaving it up to josh but its a concern seeing 5 wide and they rush 7 leaving josh on a island Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Josh is going to need to develop a sense of urgency in the middle portions of the game. He can't coast on a lead or rely on a defense. Josh needs to protect the football better. For as much as he gets credit for making some amazing plays with his arm, he's still trying to do much on his own. I also see Daboll and McD trying to protect their young semi-reckless QB from making more mistakes with fewer downfield throws, more passes to the sideline or short, et al. It's clear the coaching staff prefers at this juncture to rest on their defense and running game when they get a lead. Being safe is nice, but the training wheels need to start coming off a little more because they're not going to get an early lead on every team. Edited September 23, 2019 by BillsVet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, Distorted One said: Absolutely! We have to temper our sky high expectations and remember how underdeveloped he is still. The the other guys played at big schools with big-time programs that played other big schools. They were so much better prepared for the pros the day they walked off campus for the last time. Allen is doing incredible when you really put it into perspective. It's probably at least in part because he was in that amazing draft class that people always automatically compare him to the others. What Allen played and played against at Wyoming was nothing compared to the big school programs. Considering he's already handicapped and set back a few years behind his peers in that draft, he's doing pretty amazing right now. We really better prepare for another year or two of bumps and scrapes before we can expect 10+ win seasons. Don't be dissapointed or give up on Allen if that happens. It should be expected. From what we have seen so far of his positives, the sky really is the limit for him. A lot of guys come from smaller programs. There were a few NFL players that he played with and thats more than a lot of programs. I don't think playing at Wyoming is a valid excuse for who he is. They wanted a Favre type player and they got one, and I think that we can like with that as long as their are more highs than low. The fumbles have me more worried than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: I'm not sure if it is what Josh is seeing and his ability to process the defense once they start making changes, especially after the half, or if it is us being conservative with the playcalling. I kinda feel like it is both, but for 3 straight weeks we have had our asses handed to us in the 3rd. This happening once is one thing, but it has been 3 straight games and it is a trend... I'm not sure why you are putting this all on Allen. If you watched the games, you will see one constant in those periods of struggle: Pressure. Today, in particular, the Bengals applied pressure throughout the game, but, the offensive line really struggled in the third. In addition, his receivers struggled to gain separation today, especially his main targets of Brown and Beasley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 4 hours ago, mjt328 said: I was watching the Ravens-Chiefs game on another screen. Both Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson were CONSTANTLY throwing up ridiculous jump-balls. Regardless, we are seeing to much of it from Josh Allen. I watched the entire Chiefs game...the one thing that stood out is Andy Reid is bringing some freak speed from his entire WR corp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) Well, if there's any good news about playing the Patriots next week, we won't have a lead to blow more than likely. If Allen can keep up this 4th qtr consistency, maybe we get lucky Edited September 23, 2019 by buffalo2218 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I'm not sure why you are putting this all on Allen. If you watched the games, you will see one constant in those periods of struggle: Pressure. Today, in particular, the Bengals applied pressure throughout the game, but, the offensive line really struggled in the third. In addition, his receivers struggled to gain separation today, especially his main targets of Brown and Beasley It's not just this week, I have watched all of the games and yes Allen struggled in the 3rd; the entire offense did. he also faced pressure all game including the 4th when he made some crazy plays. In the 3rd it seems like Allen is slower to get the ball out...Allen is the QB, makes the play calls and can audible based on what he sees, so a lot of it is on him... Also: 3rd qtr stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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