purple haze Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: No. But worrying about resigning your own players years from now is an absolutely lame excuse for not wanting to pay for a playmaker like Clowney as pointed out above. Agree with you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Bills have a window before the would need to resign their 1st round picks to higher contracts...they take chances on short high cost players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 52 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: BAHAHAH come at me Fitzy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Fitzy? More likely his great-great-great-great-great grandfather. He also had a so-so arm. It's genetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 31 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: It's the circle of life. They get Gilmore. We got Tre. There’s a world where we keep Gilmore, draft Mahomes, and draft JuJu. ?. All 3 of those guys were all pros last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Augie said: More likely his great-great-great-great-great grandfather. He also had a so-so arm. It's genetic. You may be right. Look at the leather helmet he's wearing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, Reader said: Anyways else surprised to see Zay listed in the in-house players to take care of? They drafted him in the 2nd round and it’s in their best interests that he works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Not going to lie my heart rate increased a second when I saw the Bills notification only to see it was they cut one of the Punters... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NI Bills Fan Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Leonhart2017 said: Not going to lie my heart rate increased a second when I saw the Bills notification only to see it was they cut one of the Punters... Me too.... especially when the first letters I saw were DE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, NewEra said: If a team trades for him, I highly doubt they would let him go that easy. Sure, 20% increase on the franchise cap is pricey, but it’s not as pricey as giving away draft picks for one year rentals. If we trade for him, I suspect he’d be a Bill for at least 2019 and 2020 or traded. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 3 hours ago, SectionC3 said: Any Club designating a Franchise Player shall have until 4:00 p.m., New York time, on July 15 of the League Year (or, if July 15 falls on a Saturday or Sunday, the first Monday thereafter) for which the designation takes effect to sign the player to a multiyear contract or extension. After that date, the player may sign only a one-year Player Contract with his Prior Club for that season, and such Player Contract may not be extended until after the Club’s last regular season game of that League Year. With respect the first sentence is not the relevant bit. It is the bit immediately after your bolded. "The player may sign ONLY a one-year Player Contract with his Prior Club for that season.." That could not be clearer to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Any chance Beane just signed Jeff Holland so we would all shut up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 40 minutes ago, Logic said: Within the next two seasons, the Bills will need to extend Tre'Davious White, Matt Milano, Jordan Poyer, and Dion Dawkins. Contracts for LTs and CBs don't tend to be cheap. I'm not saying the above contract extension needs should preclude the Bills from handing out a big contract to a guy like Clowney. But people who pretend like the Bills will ALWAYS be flush with cash are silly. Yes, they have a lot of it now. They also have a young core that they quite like, and in order to retain all of them, big contracts are going to be required. Tre'Davious White Jordan Poyer Tremaine Edmunds Matt Milano Ed Oliver Harrison Phillips Dion Dawkins Josh Allen Again, the need to extend these players shouldn't preclude them from signing other guys if they so choose right now. However, if their goal is to retain their own drafted talent, and knowing that they have upcoming CB, LT, QB, DL, and MLB extensions in order to keep the young core in place, it's not outlandish for them to prioritize remaining financially solvent and not necessarily handing out record setting contracts to outside players. I would say if each of those guys commands a big pay day, it'll have been a great few seasons and we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. With a QB on a rookie deal, the time to be aggressive is now. We're talking about the prospects of paying one defensive end; not 3 or 4 high priced long term FA's. If ALL of those guys play well enough to earn a big payday; wow. Life (as far as the Bills go) will be good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meazy26 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: With respect the first sentence is not the relevant bit. It is the bit immediately after your bolded. "The player may sign ONLY a one-year Player Contract with his Prior Club for that season.." That could not be clearer to me. I’m super confused on this. Kalil Mack was traded to the Bears at the beginning of September last year and then signed a 6 yr deal. Is this a new rule or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Meazy26 said: I’m super confused on this. Kalil Mack was traded to the Bears at the beginning of September last year and then signed a 6 yr deal. Is this a new rule or something? Possibly due to the franchise tag. Mack wasn't tagged. I don't know if that's the case just guessing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, Meazy26 said: I’m super confused on this. Kalil Mack was traded to the Bears at the beginning of September last year and then signed a 6 yr deal. Is this a new rule or something? Mack was on a 5th year option NOT a franchise tag. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meazy26 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Mack was on a 5th year option NOT a franchise tag. Thanks for the clarification! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: It's wishful thinking. Its extremely unrealistic to think you are going to hit on just about all your draft picks in the top few rounds. Of the list I posted, which guys look like busts that don't warrant re-signing, in your opinion? Ed Oliver, obviously we don't know yet because he hasn't played a down of regular season football in the NFL. Of the rest of them, which ones do you imagine us letting walk away? Our starting left tackle? Our starting #1 cornerback? One or both of our outstanding young linebackers? To be fair, all this Clowney hype falls more comfortably into the "wishful thinking" category than the idea of the Beane regime wanting to retain their own drafted players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: It's wishful thinking. Its extremely unrealistic to think you are going to hit on just about all your draft picks in the top few rounds. The premise is that each of those guys will not only command top dollar; it's that they'll be so indespensable that the Bills can't even consider letting them walk. I'm not too "worried" about that. 1 minute ago, Logic said: Of the list I posted, which guys look like busts that don't warrant re-signing, in your opinion? If I were to nitpick the list, I would say it's pretty unlikely Harrison Phillips is going to be some coveted big ticket FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Anybody trade for that clown yet? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Cornette's Commentary said: 1 year, and then he goes to New England on a 5, 6 year deal? Hi Dick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: The premise is that each of those guys will not only command top dollar; it's that they'll be so indespensable that the Bills can't even consider letting them walk. I'm not too "worried" about that. If I were to nitpick the list, I would say it's pretty unlikely Harrison Phillips is going to be some coveted big ticket FA. I guess the main point that I was trying to make is this: The Beane front office has stated over and over and over again that their preferred model is to draft, develop, and re-sign their own players. They've stated that free agency is for filling a few holes and supplementing the roster, but by and large, they want to build their team through the draft. With that in mind, the idea is that they will continue to be somewhat conservative with free agency dollars and large contracts, because they plan for the majority of their salary cap in the coming years to be devoted to the players that they themselves drafted. It may be optimistic on their part, sure, but no more optimistic than throwing big money at outside players via free agency or trade in the hopes that they live up to their giant contracts and acclimate to your system and all that type of stuff. If you want to comb through the specific players I listed and pick out where I'm wrong, that's fine. My main point is that they have said six zillion times that they want to allocate most of their money to re-signing their own players. That's it. It doesn't mean they can't or won't go out and take an occasional swing. They've already made Morse the highest paid center in the NFL and given fairly big money to Lotulelei. I'm just saying that I don't think Beane wants the first mega contract of his tenure as GM to be handed out to an outside player with an injury history. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. For what it's worth, I agree with the notion that having a QB on a rookie contract opens a four or five year window during which you should be aggressive and upgrade the rest of your team. I'm just saying that doing that is not without consequence, and it can eventually result in you having you watch some of your own homegrown players walk away because you've already allocated big cap dollars to splash free agency or trade acquisitions. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, Logic said: I guess the main point that I was trying to make is this: The Beane front office has stated over and over and over again that their preferred model is to draft, develop, and re-sign their own players. They've stated that free agency is for filling a few holes and supplementing the roster, but by and large, they want to build their team through the draft. With that in mind, the idea is that they will continue to be somewhat conservative with free agency dollars and large contracts, because they plan for the majority of their salary cap in the coming years to be devoted to the players that they themselves drafted. It may be optimistic on their part, sure, but no more optimistic than throwing big money at outside players via free agency or trade in the hopes that they live up to their giant contracts and acclimate to your system and all that type of stuff. If you want to comb through the specific players I listed and pick out where I'm wrong, that's fine. My main point is that they have said six zillion times that they want to allocate most of their money to re-signing their own players. That's it. It doesn't mean they can't or won't go out and take an occasional swing. They've already made Morse the highest paid center in the NFL and given fairly big money to Lotulelei. I'm just saying that I don't think Beane wants the first mega contract of his tenure as GM to be handed out to an outside player with an injury history. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. For what it's worth, I agree with the notion that having a QB on a rookie contract opens a four or five year window during which you should be aggressive and upgrade the rest of your team. I'm just saying that doing that is not without consequence, and it can eventually result in you having you watch some of your own homegrown players walk away because you've already allocated big cap dollars to splash free agency or trade acquisitions. Counterpoint would be that it's not that he hasn't handed out big contracts; see Morse/Star. Neither look particularly good at the moment, but that's beside the point. You'd be paying a guy like Clowney more dollars but at a comparable rate based on position. Building through the draft is the best model for a team like the Bills. It's unlikely they'll ever be a popular FA destination. But there's a time and a place to make an exception to the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Contract extensions are of very little concern for at least 2 years. After 2019, the guys that are noteworthy UFA/RFAs are: Shady Gore McKenzie Spain J. Phillips Shaq LorAx Stanford K. Johnson Hauschka Maybe you re-sign Gore. You can probably keep LorAx pretty easily since he'll either return or retire. Besides those guys, I can't imagine they spend any serious money on the rest. Then, after 2020, you're looking at: Barkely DiMarco Zay Nsekhe Feliciano Dawkins Murphy Milano Poyer They'll probably want to keep Dawkins, Milano, and Poyer. No real bank-breakers there. Money is not an issue for this team. THANNNNNNKKKKKK YYYYOOOOOUUUUU Its amazing some of the other narratives going around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Clowney is a golden God. Get er done Beane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Plastic Cup Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 So much for ‘the next 24-48 hours’. It feels like the scene in Apollo 11 where they aren’t back from re-entry within the 3 minute window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 The second coming of Lawrence Taylor. Ok maybe not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 20 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I think the point is they could sign a player like Clowney to a big contract AND still resign much of the homegrown talent.... because most of the homegrown talent aren't close to the end of their contracts. Do not forget that they will have their 2020 and 2021 first round picks to extend in the next 7 years too! Oh no! The cap ceiling is the floor again! ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 14 hours ago, Tsaikotic said: If I was you I'd just stay away from any thread started by yolo since you know he's just a lamp thread starter and all Yes dear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Counterpoint would be that it's not that he hasn't handed out big contracts; see Morse/Star. Neither look particularly good at the moment, but that's beside the point. You'd be paying a guy like Clowney more dollars but at a comparable rate based on position. Building through the draft is the best model for a team like the Bills. It's unlikely they'll ever be a popular FA destination. But there's a time and a place to make an exception to the rule. I would agree to all the above I do not feel now nor Clowney is the time key player to splurge upon. Mack ? ALL Day and twice on sunday. Edited August 26, 2019 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Logic said: Within the next two seasons, the Bills will need to extend Tre'Davious White, Matt Milano, Jordan Poyer, and Dion Dawkins. Contracts for LTs and CBs don't tend to be cheap. I'm not saying the above contract extension needs should preclude the Bills from handing out a big contract to a guy like Clowney. But people who pretend like the Bills will ALWAYS be flush with cash are silly. Yes, they have a lot of it now. They also have a young core that they quite like, and in order to retain all of them, big contracts are going to be required. Tre'Davious White Jordan Poyer Tremaine Edmunds Matt Milano Ed Oliver Harrison Phillips Dion Dawkins Josh Allen Again, the need to extend these players shouldn't preclude them from signing other guys if they so choose right now. However, if their goal is to retain their own drafted talent, and knowing that they have upcoming CB, LT, QB, DL, and MLB extensions in order to keep the young core in place, it's not outlandish for them to prioritize remaining financially solvent and not necessarily handing out record setting contracts to outside players. This excellent post illustrates how untenable the Bills salary cap situation is getting. How does this keep happening???? Welp Beane got us out of salary cap hell once........good thing he plays a mean fiddle! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 WTF no trade yet?!?!? Cmon Bean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 my prediction on him in Bills locker room if a one year rental Clowney don't play dat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, freddyjj said: my prediction on him in Bills locker room if a one year rental Clowney don't play dat I was thinking this instead lol Edited August 26, 2019 by Buffalo Bills Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 38 pages and counting on a player the Bills aren’t getting. There has been NOTHING in or around the club even remotely suggesting that the Bills are in on Clowney. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, njbuff said: 38 pages and counting on a player the Bills aren’t getting. There has been NOTHING in or around the club even remotely suggesting that the Bills are in on Clowney. Don't forget the other 20+ page thread, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PromoTheRobot Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: There’s a world where we keep Gilmore, draft Mahomes, and draft JuJu. ?. All 3 of those guys were all pros last year. And we'd be saying if only we got Tre and Allen, because we always want what other teams have. Our guys always stink. Edited August 26, 2019 by PromoTheRobot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, wppete said: nice post. Thanks pete that's something tangible. kinda lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: Do not forget that they will have their 2020 and 2021 first round picks to extend in the next 7 years too! Oh no! The cap ceiling is the floor again! ? I'd like to see them trade down as much as possible, at least until White, Edmunds, and Allen get paid. Accumulate a bunch of 4th round picks in both 2020 and 2021 to offset the risk that any of them become elite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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