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Pro Football Network: Bills one of teams in on Clowney trade


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Just now, BarleyNY said:

 

I’d be all for it if I felt like Allen had sufficiently proven himself.  He hasn’t in my book.  I’m hopeful that he continues to develop, but I’m in a holding pattern on moves like this until he does.  That’s my bottom line. 

 

You’re entitled to your opinion, but man that’s a bad one. ?

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5 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

I don’t mind paying guys big money in FA or re-upping our own players. What I don’t like is giving up draft assets AND paying a premium salary.

 

I wont be for or against this trade (if it happens) until I see what was given up and paid.

well...obviously

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2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

I’d be all for it if I felt like Allen had sufficiently proven himself.  He hasn’t in my book.  I’m hopeful that he continues to develop, but I’m in a holding pattern on moves like this until he does.  That’s my bottom line. 

 

Then im glad you aren’t making the decisions as you’d be squandering opportunities waiting on a perfect scenario instead of the much larger right window 

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1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

We have Edmunds for three more years after this season. That is not a worry at all. 

Agreed, and if the Bills were to make this deal and sign Clowney to a long term contract, Beane would make it a front loaded contract so that the cap hit would not be a big impact for the future.

 

Beane has done this with a lot of free agent contracts.

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10 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

I'm definitely not suggesting living by the blitz; you can't do that vs Brady or Brees.  Schwartz' scheme does not rely on winning 1-1 battles all the time.  He is a little more aggressive than Frazier and attacks weak spots in the offensive line.  Interesting, I did read articles last year from Philly media that criticized him for usually only rushing four and not blitzing much.  They would tear Frazier's scheme apart.

 

 

Yep.  I specifically remember people on this board criticizing Mario as the $100M invisible man.  Now he was the best DE since Bruce Smith.  Mario was no where near the impact player that Bruce was.

Comparing Mario to Bruce is unfair- Bruce is all time great- Mario was impressive for 3 years and deserves recognition- unfortunately his contract was 6

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3 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

Why does Allen being unproven make you not want to see the team get better?

 

Would love to see them get better, but I’m not giving up a first plus more for Clowney with an unproven QB and below average WR and OL corps. See my original post on page 9 for more details. 

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34 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Strengthening your biggest strength is actually the best way to win in football. And it's not like there's an elite offensive player up for a trade right now.

 

Come on guys, we're talking about trading maybe a 2nd round pick and Shaq Lawson. A game changing pass rusher isn't worth that?? I think anyone who isn't begging for this trade to happen is nuts.

 

You think Houston is taking a 2nd and Lawson to get this deal done?  Where is that being reported?

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1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

 

If you believe in a 12 month turnaround instead of multi year, grabbing a pass rusher in his prime makes a ton of sense long term 

 

But does it makes sense if you then lost your younger, better LT and potentially your best receiver. 

 

Seems like that that would be the potential for a multi year rebuild where just as you are getting good 2021-2022 this guy is over 30 and becoming a potential FA.

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Just now, BillsVet said:

 

You think Houston is taking a 2nd and Lawson to get this deal done?  Where is that being reported?

I haven't see anything regarding compensation...not even from NFL reporters....we're all guessing

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1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It's just the vague byproduct of McBeane crying wolf about "salary cap hell" when they really just wanted to re-set the roster.

 

Now fans will be wringing their hands about paying a true stud player at premium position the market rate of $20M per year when they shouldn't.

 

These are the moves that are sometimes necessary to build a team. The draft is not always enough on its own. When a window of opportunity like this arises, you open it and judiciously move forward. There are always risks in any transaction...can't always be passive.

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3 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

You think Houston is taking a 2nd and Lawson to get this deal done?  Where is that being reported?

 

Nothing is reported other than the Texans want a player back. Since it's technically a 1 year rental it doesn't sound like a 1st rounder is the price. I would be more hesitant about a 1st rounder given the WR class next year, but anything below that I'd be all in. Even a 1st rounder I would be okay with, that would mean a lot of pressure on the team to win this year but I'm fine with that. Frankly if next year's 1st is so valuable that it isn't worth a stud pass rusher in his prime then Beane and/or McDermott aren't doing something right.

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4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Are you sure there’s a window?

 

Your concern is whether we have a 20 year player and mine is that we have a 3 year contract for peanuts to take advantage of. 

 

Yes. We are in the very well defined 3 year window now. And we can be a contender even if Allen is more kaepernick than Wilson. The only way there’s not a window is if we refuse to push chips in on talent right now. 

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8 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

But does it makes sense if you then lost your younger, better LT and potentially your best receiver. 

 

Seems like that that would be the potential for a multi year rebuild where just as you are getting good 2021-2022 this guy is over 30 and becoming a potential FA.

 

Hes 26 now.

2020 is 27

2021 is 28

2022 is 29

2023 is 30

2024 is 31

2025 is 32 if they give him a 6 year deal at the close of this year. Jerry Hughes is 31 and we are counting on him.

 

Id hope the dolphins front office is betting on being good again in the front half of that

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2 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

Seems to me an NFC team would have the upper hand. Not sure what the Dolphins are thinking here, an edge rusher would do absolutely nothing for that team

It would keep them from having to play against him twice a year. Assuming he resigned after this year. 

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1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

Nothing is reported other than the Texans want a player back. Since it's technically a 1 year rental it doesn't sound like a 1st rounder is the price. I would be more hesitant about a 1st rounder given the WR class next year, but anything below that I'd be all in. Even a 1st rounder I would be okay with, that would mean a lot of pressure on the team to win this year but I'm fine with that. Frankly if next year's 1st is so valuable that it isn't worth a stud pass rusher in his prime then Beane and/or McDermott aren't doing something right.

 

In other words, you nor anyone here really knows.  All we're hearing is Texas wants another WR and Buffalo doesn't have the player to get that done who they'd deal. 

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22 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I also remember people blaming Mario for Rex's disaster defense. ?

 

Mario was a very good player and an all pro in 2014. He was well worth the money they paid him.

You really think the Bills will get a player of Clowneys status with a 2nd round pick

 

Slim to none. And giving up someone like Lawson and McCoy(they have loads of depth at the position) to go along with it is worth it in my opinion.

 

Im not giving up a 2020 first though.

 

...so then O'Brien's incoming phone lines should be lit up like a Christmas tree, right?....if not, why not?....

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Just now, BillsVet said:

 

In other words, you nor anyone here really knows.  All we're hearing is Texas wants another WR and Buffalo doesn't have the player to get that done who they'd deal. 

Is a 2 plus foster and a back not named singletary an intriguing move for Houston knowing they have starters in place at WR? They don’t need a Julio Jones, they are looking for a particular role player. 

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4 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Your concern is whether we have a 20 year player and mine is that we have a 3 year contract for peanuts to take advantage of. 

 

Yes. We are in the very well defined 3 year window now. And we can be a contender even if Allen is more kaepernick than Wilson. The only way there’s not a window is if we refuse to push chips in on talent right now. 

 

Please don’t put words In my mouth.  My concern is that if we continue to pour resources into the defense at the expense of our offense then we don’t have a window for a Super Bowl.  There are too many questions and obvious deficiencies on the offense to expect them to be able to contend.  And for like the 50th time, I’m still in on trading for Clowney if we don’t have to give up a first. 

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Just now, BarleyNY said:

 

Please don’t put words In my mouth.  My concern is that if we continue to pour resources into the defense at the expense of our offense then we don’t have a window for a Super Bowl.  There are too many questions and obvious deficiencies on the offense to expect them to be able to contend.  And for like the 50th time, I’m still in on trading for Clowney if we don’t have to give up a first. 

Your words were you wouldn’t because you weren’t sold on Allen yet. So I responded about our window being open regardless of Allen, despite your worry he needs to be proven as the guy first 

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