lookylookyherecomescookie Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 There has been a lot of talk about 'stashing' QB Tyree Jackson on the practice squad as a developmental qb. My question to all of those who know much more than me, "how many qb's started out on a practice squad and ultimately became a legitimate nfl qb starter or even back-up? I can't think of one, but I certainly could be missing somebody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Kurt Warner 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Kurt Warner and this is pretty much the entire list. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Romo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest1981 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Tony Romo as well. He was undrafted in 2003 & didn't play until 2006; I can't imagine he was on the active roster that entire time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Midwest1981 said: Tony Romo as well. He was undrafted in 2003 & didn't play until 2006; I can't imagine he was on the active roster that entire time. I think he moved up to backup in 2004 or 2005, but yeah, he definitely was PS in 2003. Not a long list of QBs for that. I don't think there's a reason to hang on to him TBH. Edited August 14, 2019 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest1981 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, Midwest1981 said: Tony Romo as well. He was undrafted in 2003 & didn't play until 2006; I can't imagine he was on the active roster that entire time. Correction: evidently he did play & was active in 2004 & 2005 but didn't throw a single pass. Just now, dneveu said: I think he moved up to backup in 2004 or 2005, but yeah, he definitely was PS in 2003. Sorry- didn't see you corrected the record before I posted. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Midwest1981 said: Correction: evidently he did play & was active in 2004 & 2005 but didn't throw a single pass. Sorry- didn't see you corrected the record before I posted. Thanks. He was def. holding FG's in those years at least while also holding a clipboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Warren Moon, Dave Krieg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 My boy Jeff Tuel was pretty good but the Jaguars screwed him... 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Warren Moon, Dave Krieg No way. Moon was in Canada and signed with Houston as a coveted free agent & Krieg was 3rd string as a rookie. I wish people wouldn't just start throwing names out there without looking it up before they post. A real QB who was on a practice squad who had a decent career is Matt Hasselbeck who cleared waivers & started the 1998 season on the Packers practice squad. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 There’s a sentimental value with tyree some have. But you need 3 qb’s on the roster in some form. It never hurts to have someone young and motivated on the practice squad just in case. The spot tyree would hold it’s not like he’d be taking that spot from a future hall of famer or something 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, Albany,n.y. said: No way. Moon was in Canada and signed with Houston as a coveted free agent & Krieg was 3rd string as a rookie. I wish people wouldn't just start throwing names out there without looking it up before they post. A real QB who was on a practice squad who had a decent career is Matt Hasselbeck who cleared waivers & started the 1998 season on the Packers practice squad. My friend neither one got drafted out of college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookylookyherecomescookie Posted August 14, 2019 Author Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Rc2catch said: There’s a sentimental value with tyree some have. But you need 3 qb’s on the roster in some form. It never hurts to have someone young and motivated on the practice squad just in case. The spot tyree would hold it’s not like he’d be taking that spot from a future hall of famer or something I realize the value of just having a third arm for in -season practices. I just think the idea of 'developing' a qb on the practice squad seems to be pretty unlikely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Hasselbeck and Romo was where I was going. I don't think Kurt Warner was ever on a PS. He was cut early by the Green Bay Packers having been in camp. He was signed by the Rams to a futures contract then sent to NFL Europe then came back and was 3rd string on the active roster. 3 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: My friend neither one got drafted out of college. But that was not the question. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Jake Delhomme And the problem is even on the practice squad, you aren’t getting game level reps against NFL caliber players. If the NFL could figure out a minor league, a lot more qbs would have a chance of succeeding. We expect rookies to just light up the nfl right assuming and then get rid of them the second they stumble. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 color me surprised at the # of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: My friend neither one got drafted out of college. And neither ever spent a day on a practice squad. The question wasn't about undrafted QBs, it was about practice squad QBs. Also anyone who answered Romo is wrong too. I found 2 more legitimate answers to the question besides Matt Hasselbeck. Both Jake Delhomme and Marc Bulger spent time on practice squads early in their careers. Edited August 14, 2019 by Albany,n.y. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I mean I guess this is important to Tyree but I'd say the Bills would be more focused on how many PS QBs became good backups or at least became good enough for a good trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Jake Delhomme And the problem is even on the practice squad, you aren’t getting game level reps against NFL caliber players. If the NFL could figure out a minor league, a lot more qbs would have a chance of succeeding. We expect rookies to just light up the nfl right assuming and then get rid of them the second they stumble. Good points. I think a minor league, or farm system would be a huge help for QB. We have such a pre-concieved line wherein on one side (usually on the small side of the fourth round) a QB is expected to start right away and play great, while on the other side they're seen as someone who will never be an NFL starter. There doesn't seem to be much development these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Hasselbeck and Romo was where I was going. I don't think Kurt Warner was ever on a PS. He was cut early by the Green Bay Packers having been in camp. He was signed by the Rams to a futures contract then sent to NFL Europe then came back and was 3rd string on the active roster. But that was not the question. You're right Warner was never on the Rams practice squad (or any other teams) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 How about Scott Mitchell? He had three above average years for the Detroit Lions in the mid 1990s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I'm sure there are tons if you go back far enough. And I'm sure there will be more in the future as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 The oft-forgotten, Thad Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metbill Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I doubt Tyree Jackson will be on the list. I would rather use the spot for someone who has a future at the NFL level, at least who showed in college that the possibility is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 25 minutes ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said: I realize the value of just having a third arm for in -season practices. I just think the idea of 'developing' a qb on the practice squad seems to be pretty unlikely. it is pretty unlikely but given the importance of the QB position the need for practice reps etc... and the fact that any QB good enough to be a # 2 in this league usually gets snagged if left on a PS means QB's with potential but need time like Tyree, get a PS spot usually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, ddaryl said: it is pretty unlikely but given the importance of the QB position the need for practice reps etc... and the fact that any QB good enough to be a # 2 in this league usually gets snagged if left on a PS means QB's with potential but need time like Tyree, get a PS spot usually Might not be a bad idea for the NFL to extend PS eligibility for QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Keep mind that the concept of the Practice Squad hasn't been around forever. I have been watching football for my entire life and I recall the concept of the PS being created sometime in my adult life. I did a few Google searches, but was not able to find the year that they first instituted the Practice Squad. Does anyone know? As to Tyree, I think it is worth stashing him in the Practice Squad. He has a lot of physical talent, but is clearly raw and needs time to develop. If he progresses, you keep him, and if the coaches determine that he just doesn't have it, you can let him go somewhere down the line. In addition to Tyree's development, it's good to have a 3rd QB to take practice reps and also to have another QB available during a disaster situation where a #1 or #2 QB goes down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookylookyherecomescookie Posted August 14, 2019 Author Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, ddaryl said: it is pretty unlikely but given the importance of the QB position the need for practice reps etc... and the fact that any QB good enough to be a # 2 in this league usually gets snagged if left on a PS means QB's with potential but need time like Tyree, get a PS spot usually But apparently, those that get the PS spot seem to go nowhere, with the couple of exceptions mentioned above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, Buffalo Junction said: Might not be a bad idea for the NFL to extend PS eligibility for QBs. I had this discussion years ago about allowing teams to develop QBs without worrying about losing them, but the argument was if another team wanted to sign a PS QB and place them on an active roster then you'd be denying a player a chance to better himself in the league by having this protective status unfairly attached to the one position 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 53 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Kurt Warner 45 minutes ago, Ben said: Romo? There are the two best ones that come to mind. Its clearly a low percentage play. Brady was nearly a PS guy his rookie year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said: But apparently, those that get the PS spot seem to go nowhere, with the couple of exceptions mentioned above Yes it is unlikely but again as I said the need for practice reps for the team and the importance of the position usually guarantees 1 PS spot for a QB IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, metbill said: I doubt Tyree Jackson will be on the list. I would rather use the spot for someone who has a future at the NFL level, at least who showed in college that the possibility is there. Yep. Another question is how many QB’s 6’7” or taller have legit made it in the NFL? And no, Brock friggin Osweiler is not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, ddaryl said: I had this discussion years ago about allowing teams to develop QBs without worrying about losing them, but the argument was if another team wanted to sign a PS QB and place them on an active roster then you'd be denying a player a chance to better himself in the league by having this protective status unfairly attached to the one position I’m okay with letting them sign another teams offer. I’m thinking more along the lines of giving QBs 4 seasons of eligibility instead of three since it’s the most difficult position to master. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloButt Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Billy Joe Hobert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said: I realize the value of just having a third arm for in -season practices. I just think the idea of 'developing' a qb on the practice squad seems to be pretty unlikely. Maybe you’re looking at developing in the wrong light. Try using preparing instead. We have Allen and Barkley on game days. If one is injured you can easily elevate tyree to play. Because he knows the playbook and is prepared from the practice squad. As opposed to throwing out random guys off the street like in years past. I don’t think anyone is expecting to develop him into a pro bowl quarterback one day. Although we are seeing a bit more success stories in all sports of guys looked over as not pro ready Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: Good points. I think a minor league, or farm system would be a huge help for QB. We have such a pre-concieved line wherein on one side (usually on the small side of the fourth round) a QB is expected to start right away and play great, while on the other side they're seen as someone who will never be an NFL starter. There doesn't seem to be much development these days. This point has been brought up many times here in various discussions, and I totally agree. I think so many QBs fail at the NFL level because of the "sink or swim" suddenness of the process, and most can't hack it. But that doesn't mean they don't have the skills to cultivate and turn into a productive QB at the NFL level. What they need is time and patience, and those would be afforded in a pro development league. The lack of this is the most glaring omission in the entire NFL entertainment product model, well, along with no sponsorship on uniforms. Still can't believe they haven't turned that corner! Edited August 14, 2019 by Nextmanup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Hasselbeck and Romo was where I was going. I don't think Kurt Warner was ever on a PS. He was cut early by the Green Bay Packers having been in camp. He was signed by the Rams to a futures contract then sent to NFL Europe then came back and was 3rd string on the active roster. But that was not the question. Warner was bagging groceries at a supermarket when he got another chance...he was out of football 10 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: This point has been brought up many times here in various discussions, and I totally agree. I think so many QBs fail at the NFL level because of the "sink or swim" suddenness of the process, and most can't hack it. But that doesn't mean they don't have the skills to cultivate and turn into a productive QB at the NFL level. What they need is time and patience, and those would be afforded in a pro development league. The lack of this is the most glaring omission in the entire NFL entertainment product model, well, along with no sponsorship on uniforms. Still can't believe they haven't turned that corner! I think we saw that to some degree in Case Keenum in Minnesota and definitely in Rich Gannon going back some years... Unfortunately in the NFL with GMs and Coaches on such short windows, most dont have the time or patience for guys who can't help them within a year or 2... I also believe that there are a lot more "system" QBs than most people think where they can play very well within a certain system or with a certain coordinator but outside of this are not very good...perhaps that is Keenum...he was really good in Minnesots and got a big contract with Denver and didnt do so well..m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said: There has been a lot of talk about 'stashing' QB Tyree Jackson on the practice squad as a developmental qb. My question to all of those who know much more than me, "how many qb's started out on a practice squad and ultimately became a legitimate nfl qb starter or even back-up? I can't think of one, but I certainly could be missing somebody. the other side of all this Tyree Jackson talk to the PS is, there's a good chance some other team in he league will release a QB who the Bills may deem a better development prospect than Jackson and go after him for their PS instead. People are all worried about guys on the Bills roster slipping through to PS, but every other team is in the same boat. Likely some of their trash will become the Bills or other teams treasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Hasselbeck and Romo was where I was going. I don't think Kurt Warner was ever on a PS. He was cut early by the Green Bay Packers having been in camp. He was signed by the Rams to a futures contract then sent to NFL Europe then came back and was 3rd string on the active roster. But that was not the question. So already Warren Moon’s story is forgotten or the younger generation knows it and deliberately ignores it when posting here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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