GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, jletha said: Send them Ty Nsekhe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Just now, jletha said: So Washington?.. Who else would trade a starting caliber LT for a guy who can't sign a long term contract until after the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
416BillsFan Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Clowney is getting more than Flowers. He is a far superior player. Bandit is probably on the mark when he says Donald money. No his 5th year option was last year. They picked that up. Couldn't get a deal done then tagged him for this year. Wow, I was way off. Thanks for the correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 20 hours ago, Mike in Syracuse said: Honestly, the Bills had the #2 defense last year with a hobbled Murphy. Is adding Clowney really going to make that big of a difference? Especially on a one year rental? Bills were #2 in total yards allowed. Not so good in other categories,like points allowed,sacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, 416BillsFan said: The Texans really handicapped themselves by not picking up his 5th year option, as teams can't negotiate with him until the end of the year. This makes me believe he'd have to be traded to a contender similar to the Rams/Watkins trade in '17. That was last year. This is Franchise Tag year. 12 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Bills definitely have a better GM And Assistant GM! (or whatever role Gaine has been given in his return, lol) 6 minutes ago, SCBills said: So Washington?.. Who else would trade a starting caliber LT for a guy who can't sign a long term contract until after the season? And who else has a starting LT who is refusing to ever play a down for their team again? It does kinda fit perfectly. And better yet, keeps him out of our division. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) McNair a respected Texans Reporter saying the going rate for Clowney is a NFL Ready OT. So Bills fans it is either Dawkins for Clowney or Nsekhe for Clowney or Ford for Clowney. Edited August 13, 2019 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: McNair a respected Texans Reporter saying the going rate for Clowney is a NFL Ready OT. So Bills fans it is either Dawkins for Clowney or Nsekhe for Clowney or Ford for Clowney. Nsekhe for Clowney is an absolute no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, SCBills said: So Washington?.. Who else would trade a starting caliber LT for a guy who can't sign a long term contract until after the season? Washington Recently said Trent Williams is NOT going to be traded. Looks Like Clowney will not be either at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 If we trade ty for him that might be the most hilarious trade I’ve ever seen. But i see the skins all over this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Washington Recently said Trent Williams is NOT going to be traded. Looks Like Clowney will not be either at this point. I feel like they said that before they realized they could get Clowney for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Georgie said: Bills were #2 in total yards allowed. Not so good in other categories,like points allowed,sacks They were #2 in defensive DVOA, which is richer and far more holistic measure that factors in competition etc. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef They were also third in the league with regard to passer rating, and team passer rating differential is the best predictor of all stats with regard to winning and losing. Unfortunately, the Bills' offensive passer rating at the team level was abysmal. https://www.si.com/more-sports/2011/06/23/most-importantstatpasserratingdifferential Edited August 13, 2019 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 51 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Looks like they are focused on getting a LT in return. I wonder if the Eagles would do it for Jason Peters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rbleyle Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 33 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: McNair a respected Texans Reporter saying the going rate for Clowney is a NFL Ready OT. So Bills fans it is either Dawkins for Clowney or Nsekhe for Clowney or Ford for Clowney. Or a draft pick for them to flip for an OT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I wonder if the Eagles would do it for Jason Peters A 37 year old Jason Peters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 I'd rather keep Nsekhe and have a solid line with him at RT and Ford at RG than pick up a huge contract. We will need that cap space to extend our own. You build through the draft. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 I would not risk trading Dawkins , Nsekhe or Ford, protecting Allen is too critical. The Bill's D will be fine. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, njbuff said: A 37 year old Jason Peters? Eagles are deep at OT and Texans could really benefit from having Peters protect Watson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, njbuff said: A 37 year old Jason Peters? Yup. They drafted my boy Tytus Howard in round 1, so they don't need a 10-year LT. They need a reliable LT for the next year or so while Howard gets his body up to snuff to play LT at the NFL level. If you're Houston, and your trying to get something for Clowney now instead of letting him walk and getting a 3rd round compensatory pick, why not trade him for Peters and a 3rd today? Philly just drafted Dillard, who can step in at LT right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Yup. They drafted my boy Tytus Howard in round 1, so they don't need a 10-year LT. They need a reliable LT for the next year or so while Howard gets his body up to snuff to play LT at the NFL level. If you're Houston, and your trying to get something for Clowney now instead of letting him walk and getting a 3rd round compensatory pick, why not trade him for Peters and a 3rd today? Philly just drafted Dillard, who can step in at LT right now. This makes too much sense. I’m not sure how we get in on this (especially with Waddle out). If he was healthy I guess we could have tried Nsekhe and a 2nd/3rd. The hope is that they would believe Nsekhe was a hidden gem buried on a strong depth chart. 3-way deal with Washington? 2nd to Washington, Williams to Houston, Clowney to Bills Edited August 13, 2019 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: I agree as well, but we are a little biased. And even if we are better, we arent over the hump to being a proven winner. For most players out there, picking between Houston, Miami, and Buffalo is like having to pick your hottest cousin. I'm guessing he knows that the team he goes to and the next long term deal he signs will probably be his last. Having to pick your hottest cousin.....hilarious!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) ...just don't see McBeane trading coveted pick(s) for a one year rental.......he'll be looking for well north of $20 mil and don't see that in McBeane's wheel house.....seems to me we're headed in the right direction with 2018/2019 drafts as well as signings.....if he's such a force, why would da Fuhrer O'Brien part with him?......... Edited August 13, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Don't trade assets for an overpriced rental. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Send them a second and Connor McDermott. They can draft the OT next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Georgie said: Bills were #2 in total yards allowed. Not so good in other categories,like points allowed,sacks If I see someone post that #2 defense one more time I'll scream. 18th in points allowed. Remember points? That thing that determines outcomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: If I see someone post that #2 defense one more time I'll scream. 18th in points allowed. Remember points? That thing that determines outcomes. And all of the rushing yards allowed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: If I see someone post that #2 defense one more time I'll scream. 18th in points allowed. Remember points? That thing that determines outcomes. There is a reason why you have to take points allowed with a grain of salt....if you have a crappy defense that cant run the ball and is playing with a rookie QB......the D is gonna be on the field too much. I think that will be fixed this year.....so lets see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...just don't see McBeane trading coveted pick(s) for a one year rental.......he'll be looking for well north of $20 mil and don't see that in McBeane's wheel house.....seems to me we're headed in the right direction with 2018/2019 drafts as well as signings.....if he's such a force, why would da Fuhrer O'Brien part with him?......... Just not sure where the money is going to go otherwise. The Bills don’t have many holes and have the most cap space in football. I expect them to add a couple of stars (like Clowney) and then work to extend a few of our own. That would still leave the Bills with loads of cap space. Hypothetically, say we deal our 2nd and Shaq for Clowney. We tag him if we have to but I’m sure Gaine knows the parameters of a deal. He was supposedly Clowney’s biggest fan. The Bills next offseason could: - Re-Sign Clowney - Sign Costanzo or Scherff to solidify the line - Extend Tre White - Extend Poyer - Draft one of those stud receivers in the 1st like Shenault (won’t get a sniff of Jeudy) That roster would be amazing. The Bills would still have lots of cap flexibility and very few holes. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: In my opinion who is better between Houston and buffalo is very much debatable. At face value I had the initial thought that you did to that comment. My assessment of the 2 teams: Better offense is Houston Better defense is Buffalo Better coaching is Buffalo Better chance of team imploding/quoting on the coaches Houston Both teams are similar, I mean last years game came down to a Peterman pick 6 Houston is closer to us on defense than we are to them on offense. Also, I think Watson is a borderline top 10 QB. And I don’t know how you can say our coaching is better. Obviously it can change but Houston has been a pretty consistent playoff team under O’Brien, even with terrible qbs. and the more I think about this, unless the Texans get a first rounder or a player that can step in right away, it’s a dumb deal. They should be going all in with Watson right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Houston is closer to us on defense than we are to them on offense. Also, I think Watson is a borderline top 10 QB. And I don’t know how you can say our coaching is better. Obviously it can change but Houston has been a pretty consistent playoff team under O’Brien, even with terrible qbs. and the more I think about this, unless the Texans get a first rounder or a player that can step in right away, it’s a dumb deal. They should be going all in with Watson right now. I wish the heck I knew what is going at TBD right now! If I were a fly on the wall just once! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Just not sure where the money is going to go otherwise. The Bills don’t have many holes and have the most cap space in football. I expect them to add a couple of stars (like Clowney) and then work to extend a few of our own. That would still leave the Bills with loads of cap space. Hypothetically, say we deal our 2nd and Shaq for Clowney. We tag him if we have to but I’m sure Gaine knows the parameters of a deal. He was supposedly Clowney’s biggest fan. The Bills next offseason could: - Re-Sign Clowney - Sign Costanzo or Scherff to solidify the line - Extend Tre White - Extend Poyer - Draft one of those stud receivers in the 1st like Shenault (won’t get a sniff of Jeudy) That roster would be amazing. The Bills would still have lots of cap flexibility and very few holes. Absolutely. I think we've become so cap obsessed that we forget that signing talented players is A)costly and B)necessary. Clowney would instantly transform the defense from good to great. That front four would be reminiscent of the 2014 Bills line. You got that many guys getting in the QB's mug, all of a sudden, you have a unit that is proactively changing the outcome of games. I'm all about it. Our best bet to make the playoffs NOW is a DOMINANT defense. A DOMINANT defense can take this team to the playoffs even if the offense doesn't come along as well as we'd like. Making the playoffs is a big deal when it comes to free agency and such. 2017 was anomalous in the sense that we had no money to spend by design. The good teams will always find a way to keep premier players and an upstart like the Bills should be willing to shoot their shot here. The cap is more fungible than meets the eye. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: I wish the heck I knew what is going at TBD right now! If I were a fly on the wall just once! Would you make the trade and what’s your offer? I’m so torn. I think JC’s rep is bigger than his game but he is so talented that maybe he figures it out. Mario was so so in Houston and was possibly the best DE in football for a year or 2 here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Would you make the trade and what’s your offer? I’m so torn. I think JC’s rep is bigger than his game but he is so talented that maybe he figures it out. Mario was so so in Houston and was possibly the best DE in football for a year or 2 here. Good...at least there is some dialogue! They can get around the small stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 46 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Just not sure where the money is going to go otherwise. The Bills don’t have many holes and have the most cap space in football. I expect them to add a couple of stars (like Clowney) and then work to extend a few of our own. That would still leave the Bills with loads of cap space. Hypothetically, say we deal our 2nd and Shaq for Clowney. We tag him if we have to but I’m sure Gaine knows the parameters of a deal. He was supposedly Clowney’s biggest fan. The Bills next offseason could: - Re-Sign Clowney - Sign Costanzo or Scherff to solidify the line - Extend Tre White - Extend Poyer - Draft one of those stud receivers in the 1st like Shenault (won’t get a sniff of Jeudy) That roster would be amazing. The Bills would still have lots of cap flexibility and very few holes. You are kidding, right? No holes? WR is a giant one, DE, jury is still out, but just because the OL is better than the puddle it was, doesn't mean its good. TE is a question mark, LBs are weak for depth.. this isn't a playoff team and you dont know where they are going to spend money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, DCofNC said: You are kidding, right? No holes? WR is a giant one, DE, jury is still out, but just because the OL is better than the puddle it was, doesn't mean its good. TE is a question mark, LBs are weak for depth.. this isn't a playoff team and you dont know where they are going to spend money? I got news for you? There isn’t a roster in the NFL that doesn’t have a lot of holes on it. The 89 Niners aren’t out there in today’s NFL. The question is......... “Who will be the best QB for that particular season? That covers a lot of holes on a roster. And we don’t know if Josh Allen can carry a team yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I think i speak for at least 50% of Bills fans- talent is great but effort will likely drop once he is paid and therefore not worth trade. He is unlikely to impact games like Mack but will want Mack money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 47 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Houston is closer to us on defense than we are to them on offense. Also, I think Watson is a borderline top 10 QB. And I don’t know how you can say our coaching is better. Obviously it can change but Houston has been a pretty consistent playoff team under O’Brien, even with terrible qbs. and the more I think about this, unless the Texans get a first rounder or a player that can step in right away, it’s a dumb deal. They should be going all in with Watson right now. I agree that Houston should be gearing up to go all in, not trading one of their best players, honestly id give up a 1st if it was conditional for clowney (playoffs or resign) But going back to the comparison Houston's offensive line is garbage and that will hold them back from reaching their potential because the skill positions are top notch. This also drops them down closer to bills. (As will not having clowney on defense) As for coaching I dislike O'Brien and think he is headed for an implosion always seems to be on the hot seat every year and now has no GM to blame. Also he hasnt proven anything McDermott hasn't, can't pretend contending for a playoff spot in that division is anything special Houston is where the bills are headed except they are a half to a whole season ahead in re building. I happen to think the bills close that gap this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 36 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I think i speak for at least 50% of Bills fans- talent is great but effort will likely drop once he is paid and therefore not worth trade. He is unlikely to impact games like Mack but will want Mack money. I'm curious as to why you think (a) effort will be an issue and (b) 50% of Bills' fans would agree with you? Meaning no offense of course 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I'm curious as to why you think (a) effort will be an issue and (b) 50% of Bills' fans would agree with you? Meaning no offense of course The Mario Williams factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, njbuff said: The Mario Williams factor. The same Mario Williams that had 37 sacks in his first 3 seasons in Buffalo and was a back-to-back all-pro? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 This is a question of where the front office feels the team is at. I think you push the chips in on the table and transform the defensive front 7 from good to great. I would go so far to offer a 1 for Clowney. I'm very high on him as a player. Buffalo has good players in the front 7. Only Oliver shows the quality to f a play up and that's nothing more than potential, Clowney does it routinely. If Buffalo added Clowney I would put money on Hughes being top 5 in the league in sacks maybe even leading league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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