Mitch Morse in concussion protocol

[RoyBatty is alive]

12 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

 

The guy has 74 starts in his career.  Where are you going to find a more experienced center than Bodine.

 

I sometimes feel people don't even watch the games or expect perfection out of every player.

 

Bodine was more than serviceable last year with some of the worst guards the NFL has seen.

Wasnt it Bodine that repeatedly  couldn't get the snap high enough to the QB in the shotgun?  Maybe it was Groy but it was absurd to watch.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

It's an observation of Beane's style.  In his two plus years as GM, he's repeatedly gambled on players coming off injuries or with injury histories.  He's also traded up to draft "project players" in the first round.   The high risk/high reward game that Beane's played hasn't had a lot of success so far.  That could change but at this point, it's been all high risk without real success yet.

 

Again, every player in the league--especially guys that enter FA--have some sort of injury history.  Also, every drafted player, from the first round to the seventh, is a project. There is no such thing as a safe pick.  Beane has not played any more a high risk/high reward game than any other GM in the league. And no success? They broke the playoff drought two years ago, they had the number 2 Defense in the league last year, and now they have all the building blocks and cap space needed to build a long-term successful team. 

[CuddyDark]

4 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Again, every player in the league--especially guys that enter FA--have some sort of injury history.  Also, every drafted player, from the first round to the seventh, is a project. There is no such thing as a safe pick.  Beane has not played any more a high risk/high reward game than any other GM in the league. And no success? They broke the playoff drought two years ago, they had the number 2 Defense in the league last year, and now they have all the building blocks and cap space needed to build a long-term successful team. 

McDermott and Whaley broke the drought. Beane continues to sign junk. He's clearly a nepotism hire and if not for McDermott he'd still be 3rd in Carolina. No one was looking to hire Beane.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

21 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

McDermott and Whaley broke the drought. Beane continues to sign junk. He's clearly a nepotism hire and if not for McDermott he'd still be 3rd in Carolina. No one was looking to hire Beane.

 

That is a Stephen A. level hot take.  

[Tenhigh]

8 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I know.... It's akin to your love of EJ back in 2013. 

 

 

Everyone knew he sucked, except you. It was so cute! ?

 

What a tool, rooting for the starting Bills QB....Lets run him out of here!!! 

Edited August 1, 2019 by Tenhigh

[HeHateMe]

3 hours ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

 

Wow. 

 

Let's give that guy a boat load of money!

[VW82]

We paid big money for a finesse center who has had problems staying on the field. This is his third documented concussion in the last couple of years. Hopefully he’s OK though I worry he’s going to be more prone to future concussions now that he’s had a few. It’s not great.

[njbuff]

I missed something .........

 

Is Morse out for the year?

 

?

[MAJBobby]

Change his helmet 

[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Change his helmet 

  Like someone else already said give him the Mark Kelso version.  

[MAJBobby]

Just now, RochesterRob said:

  Like someone else already said give him the Mark Kelso version.  

 

The sad thing is NFL talks about all this player safety stuff, there are better helmets out there but because of Sponsorships and such wont allow them to be worn.

[PetermansRedemption]

8 minutes ago, njbuff said:

I missed something .........

 

Is Morse out for the year?

 

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Yes. Confirmed by Beane this morning. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The sky is still falling. Don’t look up. 

Edited August 1, 2019 by Bills2ref

[BillsVet]

Amateur and Pro offensive personnel decisions under McBeane were mediocre in 2017-18.  I put much of that on McD's decision to rebuild the defense first, which left fewer UFA dollars for offense.  It's why the offense was historically inept last season.

 

It's not just letting Watkins and Woods go. It's not just starting Peterman to begin 2018. It's not just the 2017 and 18 UFA groups.  It's that they thought they could get by offensively without really investing in upgrades on that side of the ball the first 2 off-seasons of this rebuild. 

 

The 2019 offensive UFAs better be a home run to make up for the previous 2 years.  Kroft and Morse being hurt this early is another red flag on this leadership group.

 

I get that people want to trust these guys until it's abundantly clear they failed.  They talk a good game, but a fan can start hedging their bets on McBeane three off-seasons into their tenure. 

[Heitz]

15 minutes ago, njbuff said:

I missed something .........

 

Is Morse out for the year?

 

?

 

Um, he's sick. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Mitch pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious...

[Best Player Available]

1 hour ago, Ittakestime said:

 

The guy has 74 starts in his career.  Where are you going to find a more experienced center than Bodine.

 

I sometimes feel people don't even watch the games or expect perfection out of every player.

 

Bodine was more than serviceable last year with some of the worst guards the NFL has seen.

If Bodine was 'more than serviceable' Why did OBD seem to make it a priority acquiring a top center? 

The guard play had nothing to do with Bodine. I don't remember him pulling to help the guards out.

Like Eric Wood had to do at times in his career. Bodine is a JAG second  string depth player. That's it. 

Edited August 1, 2019 by Best Player Available

[MR8]

Just now, Best Player Available said:

If Bodine was 'more than serviceable' Why did OBD seem to make it a priority acquiring a top center? 

The guard play had nothimg to do with Bodine. I don't remember him pulling to help the guards out.

Like Eric Wood had to do at times n his career. Bodine is a JAG second  string depth player. That's it. 

 

 

There aren't 32 "starting caliber" Centers in the NFL IMO... Bodine was a bottom 10 starter at Center for sure, but the Bills went out and added Morse because he's a sure fire starting Center.  As far as a backup center, Bodine is probably one of the best in the NFL ... as far as a starter, he's one of the worst in the NFL...

 

If this Morse concussion protocol thing is an actual concern and not just a way to allow a vet to work on his own away from contact... then I would keep Bodine.  You're better off having a guy who COULD start rather than someone like Long who is probably going to be your starting OG, and is a piss poor Center... 

 

If you dump Bodine, and Morse goes down, you need to move Long from OG (his natural position) to C, and now you have upset 2 different spots on the O-Line rather than just plugging and playing Bodine and keeping the rest of the line intact.  

 

I agree with you, I think Bodine was below average, and his ratings on PFF Showed that, but I'd still rather have him and not need him than need him and not have him.

[njbuff]

Bodice blows, but the overreaction to Morse is comedic gold.

 

There is no need to overreact till there is a need to overreact.

[BADOLBILZ]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I thought there was a hyperbaric chamber or room full in the new training center?  Not sure sleeping in it is the recommended treatment duration....though I believe Alex Smith sleeps in one. 

 

Not going to go plowing through the Bills web site to find the pics, but it does highlight the paradox of building a SOFTA training center then training away from it.

 

 

Yes they do have a hyperbaric chamber room in the new facility but of course you want players to sleep at home not during the day at the facility.    Some players have them in their homes.   But I think what fans sometimes don't realize is that these are still just people living in real-time like everyone else and they don't always do a great job of health maintenance away from the facility.   Every player is different.   A guy with concussion issues and a guaranteed $30M coming in should probably have one and use it.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, ALF said:

In practice they tried Feliciano  and  Long  at Center. 

 

 

Counting Morse they have at least 4 guys with starting experience as centers in the NFL.    It's not like they are picking from the practice squad.   But part of the problem with tearing down rosters to get "your guys" is you have to take shortcuts in pro personnel just to get your talent back to square one and that creates a lot of opportunity for mistakes.    The near complete absence of success in pro personnel matters since Beane has taken over is very concerning.   Hopefully some of this massive UFA class changes that but this is not a good start.     

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Ittakestime said:

 

The guy has 74 starts in his career.  Where are you going to find a more experienced center than Bodine.

 

I sometimes feel people don't even watch the games or expect perfection out of every player.

 

Bodine was more than serviceable last year with some of the worst guards the NFL has seen.

 

Bodine was a better center than Groy, but he was thrown on his a** back in to Allen on a number of plays and as for pulling or pancaking a defender who leaped up to tip a ball the way Wood could do - fahgettaboutit.  Bodine as a center is the equivalent of people who are enthused about Foster as a WR - he looks so promising until you compare him to players who ARE the "real deal"

Clue: if Bodine was "more than serviceable" and the problem was the guards flanking him, do you think Beane would have backed up the Brinks Truck and taken a risk on the oft-concussed Morse in the off season?

[BADOLBILZ]

20 minutes ago, njbuff said:

Bodice blows, but the overreaction to Morse is comedic gold.

 

There is no need to overreact till there is a need to overreact.

 

 

There is no need to overreact then either.    It's just entertainment.

 

But there is also no need to give anyone in the Bills organization the benefit of the doubt.............it's pro football and for these guys it's time to start winning.   Excuse time is over.

[njbuff]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

There is no need to overreact then either.    It's just entertainment.

 

But there is also no need to give anyone in the Bills organization the benefit of the doubt.............it's pro football and for these guys it's time to start winning.   Excuse time is over.

 

I ain’t making excuses.

 

Its August 1st, no need to fly off the handle about anything.

[C.Biscuit97]

21 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

I ain’t making excuses.

 

Its August 1st, no need to fly off the handle about anything.

Generally agree.  However, any concussion is a concern.  Given Morse’s history, it should be a huge concern.   If he was a punter, I’d be less worried.  

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

 

The sad thing is NFL talks about all this player safety stuff, there are better helmets out there but because of Sponsorships and such wont allow them to be worn.

Sleep number helmet?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

34 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

I ain’t making excuses.

 

Its August 1st, no need to fly off the handle about anything.

 

Who is flying off the handle?

 

We made Morse the 6th highest paid center in the league with big guaranteed money

A rookie QB's best friends are a great center, and a great rungame (the former leading to the latter)

 

Morse big "red flag" has been missing significant time due to concussion

 

For him to be in concussion protocol after one (1) is legit worrisome

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Has Mitch ever played RT or RG because I think at this point that’s where he needs to be. Centers hike the ball and then they are helmet to helmet right off the snap. I would take a healthy good RT or RG for 3 years over a injured center. I think at this point with all the concussions that he’s had it’s too serious not to overlook the possibility of a position change.

[Dr.Sack]

He needs Kelso’s helmet.

[Ittakestime]

4 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Has Mitch ever played RT or RG because I think at this point that’s where he needs to be. Centers hike the ball and then they are helmet to helmet right off the snap. I would take a healthy good RT or RG for 3 years over a injured center. I think at this point with all the concussions that he’s had it’s too serious not to overlook the possibility of a position change.

 

He belongs off the football field.  Something clearly isn't right.

[Fan in San Diego]

Does Beane have some concussion language in Morse Codes contract? Language as in rebates?

 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

49 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Who is flying off the handle?

 

We made Morse the 6th highest paid center in the league with big guaranteed money

A rookie QB's best friends are a great center, and a great rungame (the former leading to the latter)

 

Morse big "red flag" has been missing significant time due to concussion

 

For him to be in concussion protocol after one (1) is legit worrisome

 

Him: "Lets not fly off the handle over an injury that will not cause him to miss a game"

 

You: Precedes to fly off the handle  

[JoPar_v2]

15 hours ago, Helpmenow said:

Player physical  prior to employment with the bills.  Ever had a physical before any employment dude.

 

Wow that’s stupid. We’re talking about concussions here genius. What’s a team physical going to show them that they don’t already know? His previous concussions (during his time in the league at least) were common knowledge. It’s pretty well accepted that susceptibility to traumatic head injuries increases as you sustain them. Bills knew this and for SURE their doctors knew this. They signed him anyways FULLY aware of the enhanced risks with this guy. So again, how’s this the doctors’ faults?

 

I can’t believe I just had to explain this to you DUDE. 

[fansince88]

15 pages and no points made worth reading?

[Doc]

14 hours ago, NoSaint said:

I’d be curious the math on this:

 

sammys 4th and 5th year, and 2 years of Dareus vs 2 years of Benjamin, Starr AND the dareus dead space.

 

It's more than just math.  Dareus needed to go.  The Bills gave him an full off-season and half the season to change his ways.  He got his fat contract and then started doing just enough to keep cashing his paychecks.  Besides his value now, being a run stopper, didn't manifest itself with the Jags last year and the Bills' run defense in terms of YPR actually was (slightly) better than the Jags' was.  As for Sammy, sure his 4h year salary would have been cheap.  But they knew they weren't going to option him because they saw that he's just a #2 WR/decoy, so the smart move was to trade him for what they could get, which was a 2nd rounder and EJ Gaines, a major contributor to that 2017 playoff season.  Then there's Gilmore, who wouldn't have changed the defense while eating up a lot of cap space. 

 

14 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Sammy?   If I had my way I pick up his 5th year option for 2018 and then make that decision this past winter.

 

Gilmore has been one of the top 2-3 CB's in football since 2017.........Tre White is coming off a down year.

 

I had White as the top CB in that draft class..........but I would have taken Mahomes with the pick instead of trading it and taking White......... and that would have transformed the franchise and the picks and players I saved not chasing a 2018 draft class QB would have helped me improve the roster.

 

Dareus' base salary the past two years was around $9M........not $17M......he was never going to see those big base salary numbers at the very end of his deal...........$17M is more like the cost of eating Dareus dead money PLUS paying Star Lotulelei to be a traffic cone.

 

See above.  And sure, everyone wanted Mahomes now.

 

14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Signing bonus is the least of it here.  $20.4M fully guaranteed at signing, including $11M signing bonus.

But he's not going to retire just for that reason, no more than Eric Wood did

 

If his doctors are telling him him to retire, like Wood's were, and he retires, like Wood did, he'll have to pay back signing bonus, like Wood did.

 

That he hasn't been told he needs to retire after this latest concussion makes the discussion moot at present.  Let's hope he doesn't miss any real games.  In the meantime, they need to get their contingency plans at center (Long would be my choice) ready.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

See above.  And sure, everyone wanted Mahomes now.

 

 

Rear Admiral Hindsight, that guy

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

39 minutes ago, Doc said:

If his doctors are telling him him to retire, like Wood's were, and he retires, like Wood did, he'll have to pay back signing bonus, like Wood did.

 

Show me where Wood paid back his signing bonus OR retired.  He didn't, and he didn't:
" He reached an injury settlement with the Bills on May 31, 2018, and was officially released.^[23] "
Team releases ya due to failing a physical (what happened with Wood), you aren't retired, you're released, and the signing bonus is YOURS.

 

39 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

That he hasn't been told he needs to retire after this latest concussion makes the discussion moot at present.  Let's hope he doesn't miss any real games.  In the meantime, they need to get their contingency plans at center (Long would be my choice) ready.

Think about that for a minute.  Long was released as a center by the Jets less than a year after he signed a 4 year, $28M contract. 

That's when we signed him at a fire-sale price of 3 year, $12.6M

 

That's the same Jets who just persuaded Ryan Khalil to un-retire because they'e so desperate at center, after releasing Long whom the decided was too bad to play center for them.

[oldmanfan]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Show me where Wood paid back his signing bonus OR retired.  He didn't, and he didn't:
" He reached an injury settlement with the Bills on May 31, 2018, and was officially released.^[23] "
Team releases ya due to failing a physical (what happened with Wood), you aren't retired, you're released, and the signing bonus is YOURS.

 

Think about that for a minute.  Long was released as a center by the Jets less than a year after he signed a 4 year, $28M contract. 

That's when we signed him at a fire-sale price of 3 year, $12.6M

 

That's the same Jets who just persuaded Ryan Khalil to un-retire because they'e so desperate at center, after releasing Long whom the decided was too bad to play center for them.

Long was hurt last year though.  Hard to play C effectively with a bad hand.

[Doc]

32 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Show me where Wood paid back his signing bonus OR retired.  He didn't, and he didn't:
" He reached an injury settlement with the Bills on May 31, 2018, and was officially released.^[23] "
Team releases ya due to failing a physical (what happened with Wood), you aren't retired, you're released, and the signing bonus is YOURS.

 

Think about that for a minute.  Long was released as a center by the Jets less than a year after he signed a 4 year, $28M contract. 

That's when we signed him at a fire-sale price of 3 year, $12.6M

 

That's the same Jets who just persuaded Ryan Khalil to un-retire because they'e so desperate at center, after releasing Long whom the decided was too bad to play center for them.

 

In an injury settlement, you don't get all the money due to you had you otherwise played.  And teams are allowed to go after signing bonus if a player retires.  Maybe they didn't go after all they could have in Wood's case because he was a long-time team leader, but that's not the case with Morse.

 

Long was injured last year and due $3M 3 days after the Super Bowl.  And they probably regret letting him go, considering they need to turn to a guy who will be a disaster for them.

Edited August 1, 2019 by Doc

[Hapless Bills Fan]

43 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

In an injury settlement, you don't get all the money due to you had you otherwise played.  And teams are allowed to go after signing bonus if a player retires.  Maybe they didn't go after all they could have in Wood's case because he was a long-time team leader, but that's not the case with Morse.

 

Long was injured last year and due $3M 3 days after the Super Bowl.  And they probably regret letting him go, considering they need to turn to a guy who will be a disaster for them.

 

Yes, teams are allowed to go after a signing bonus if the player retires. 

The reverse is also true: if the player does not retire, the team is not allowed to go after his signing bonus.

The "injury settlement" Wood reached with the Bills would depend upon the details of his contract, but likely had to do with Wood being released in the 2018 league year but agreeing to forgo any guarantees for injury to his 2018 salary.

Hopefully Morse will recover and play, but if he does not....I guarantee you he won't be retiring, just for the reason above.

 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

This thread is like Morse Code in the dark.  Let's just cross fingers.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

This thread is like Morse Code in the dark.  Let's just cross fingers.

 

I have a Q: Are you formerly Allan, or formerly in MD?

 

Inquiring minds want to know ?

Edited August 1, 2019 by Joe in Winslow