C.Biscuit97 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: I know they are devastating. But 40 million dollars will change a family's life for a few generations. Life is a risk reward, give take... It's worth it to some, others not FYI I will probably give my brain for cte research when I pass so I understand Yeah, it’s a hell of a debate. Again it’s early but set your family up for life or possibly be a horror story of what CTE can make people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Yeah, it’s a hell of a debate. Again it’s early but set your family up for life or possibly be a horror story of what CTE can make people. I don't have statistics but I would assume lineman get it the worst They are pounding heads every play in the trenches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 18 minutes ago, SoTier said: I don't believe that the teams the can decide to put not put a player in concussion protocol during games. I believe that's a league call. I think the doctor who's on call for concussions is not a team employee so he's independent. It was Kevin Kolb in 2013 not Kelly Holcomb who tripped on the mat and having to retire -- unless that also happened to Holcomb earlier. and then he got caught in a hurricane like a couple months after that or something. he had an epic run of bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 All one can do is hope he’s OK and that they can help him avoid future ones with equipment or something. The fact that he’s out on the field doing things suggests he’s fairly well along in the protocol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, Radar said: Is it me or do the Bills have bad luck in training camp?? It was what, 18 years and no playoffs? I think we have bad luck in the regular season too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Helpmenow said: Already a bad signing beane. Chiefs knew something I doubt that the Chiefs knew "something" that Beane didn't know about Morse's concussion history. His injury history is part of the NFL's "public record". Beane chose to disregard it, probably because he's a gambler. He gambled on Benjamin, who was known to have bad knees in 2017 and again on Murphy in 2018. He also gambled that a raw QB prospect from a minor college program had "the right stuff" to make a franchise QB and that a very young LB with very limited MLB experience would make a top notch NFL MLB. In 2019, he made Morse the most expensive C in the league despite his concussion history. The thing is that gambler's occasionally win big but mostly they lose to the House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, Radar said: Is it me or do the Bills have bad luck in training camp?? Its you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 How long until he retires? Someone get him a Mark Kelso helmet STAT!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 I bet he'll be back soon. If he's on the sidelines doing conditioning work it can't be that serious. But people are having meltdowns over this... I will say this: put him in a permanent red non-contact jersey until the regular season ... And get him a better helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 26 minutes ago, SoTier said: I don't believe that the teams the can decide to put not put a player in concussion protocol during games. I believe that's a league call. I think the doctor who's on call for concussions is not a team employee so he's independent. True, but only if they notice it. My point is, I am sure many players "get their bell rung" and try to keep playing without calling attention to the potential injury. Players are probably better at self reporting now, but I am sure it is no where near 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Radar said: Is it me or do the Bills have bad luck in training camp?? Dude, you're hearing about players all over the league who have significant injuries and will miss significant regular season time. Nobody for the Bills is in that boat. Edited July 31, 2019 by MJS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 23 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: JUST TO BE CLEAR I AM NOT CALLING MORSE SOFT, OR CALLING HIM OUT. Concussions are very serious , I lost playing football to them I originally said if he wanted 45 million he signed for he would keep playing.. that's a lot of change If he suffers 2-3 more concussions in a shorter span of course that would be no good and he should consider hanging them up for his health But protocol in camp can easily be a precaution. If he had a severe concussion they would know fairly quickly Though minor concussions can still have long term effects I understand that man, but the point I am making still stands... I guarantee you're right, when he signed the deal he had nothing in his mind about walking away from football. All I am saying is that can change VERY quickly and frankly that's okay. I mean it sucks for the Bills, but he's gotta make the decision that's best for him and his family.... And it's also possible he signed this deal knowing he may only get a few more years, BUT he wanted to cash in to make sure his family was taken care of, and he is gonna do his best for a few more to get as much as he can while he can. We can't pretend to know anything. So everything is fair game. Hell Jason Gildon signed with the Bills back in 2003 I think it was, he came in as a LB, moved to DE, then was released after week 2 and retired. He even admitted after the fact that he only signed the deal with Buffalo because they offered him a $2M signing bonus and he wanted the cash, and knew he didn't have a lot left in the tank and never really tried. Not saying at all that is what Morse did, I think he's 100% dedicated to being a franchise Center for the remainder of his career, however, you never know what is going through these guys minds or how it will play out. We signed Eric Wood to a massive extension and then the next year he wasn't cleared to play and was forced to retire... Wood thought he'd play out 3-4 more years but suddenly was retired. That could happen to ANYONE... That's all I'm saying. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo716 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, MR8 said: I understand that man, but the point I am making still stands... I guarantee you're right, when he signed the deal he had nothing in his mind about walking away from football. All I am saying is that can change VERY quickly and frankly that's okay. I mean it sucks for the Bills, but he's gotta make the decision that's best for him and his family.... And it's also possible he signed this deal knowing he may only get a few more years, BUT he wanted to cash in to make sure his family was taken care of, and he is gonna do his best for a few more to get as much as he can while he can. We can't pretend to know anything. So everything is fair game. Hell Jason Gildon signed with the Bills back in 2003 I think it was, he came in as a LB, moved to DE, then was released after week 2 and retired. He even admitted after the fact that he only signed the deal with Buffalo because they offered him a $2M signing bonus and he wanted the cash, and knew he didn't have a lot left in the tank and never really tried. Not saying at all that is what Morse did, I think he's 100% dedicated to being a franchise Center for the remainder of his career, however, you never know what is going through these guys minds or how it will play out. We signed Eric Wood to a massive extension and then the next year he wasn't cleared to play and was forced to retire... Wood thought he'd play out 3-4 more years but suddenly was retired. That could happen to ANYONE... That's all I'm saying. Yes it could Football is a dangerous game and you never know when your time is up Id rather see a player live till 80 and healthy then die at 47 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Yes it could Football is a dangerous game and you never know when your time is up Id rather see a player live till 80 and healthy then die at 47 Except Tom Brady.... dead at 47 sounds good... but that mean's he'll probably die in the endzone on a QB Sneak... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, SoTier said: I doubt that the Chiefs knew "something" that Beane didn't know about Morse's concussion history. His injury history is part of the NFL's "public record". Beane chose to disregard it, probably because he's a gambler. He gambled on Benjamin, who was known to have bad knees in 2017 and again on Murphy in 2018. He also gambled that a raw QB prospect from a minor college program had "the right stuff" to make a franchise QB and that a very young LB with very limited MLB experience would make a top notch NFL MLB. In 2019, he made Morse the most expensive C in the league despite his concussion history. The thing is that gambler's occasionally win big but mostly they lose to the House. This is immature logic. Every decision is a gamble in its simplest terms. If I sign FA X, will he be worth the money? That is a gamble too. It's the NFL, every player in the league has some injury history. Granted, it is certainly a relevant consideration, and different GMs weigh those concerns differently, but your characterization is simple minded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: This is immature logic. Every decision is a gamble in its simplest terms. If I sign FA X, will he be worth the money? That is a gamble too. It's the NFL, every player in the league has some injury history. Granted, it is certainly a relevant consideration, and different GMs weigh those concerns differently, but your characterization is simple minded. Consider the poster's history, he's never seen a Beane move he liked. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Good to see this injury and the make believe Bills fans surface. I missed you all! 2 minutes ago, HOUSE said: With the way people are poo pooing on the Bills shouldnt this be PMS meds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Consider the poster's history, he's never seen a Beane move he liked. Period. This whole thread is hilariously dramatic. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Yea. Nevermind. No big deal. The guy you just made the highest paid Center in the league with a history of concussions might've just had another without even a regular season game under his belt as a Bill.?? It is very Billsy, no? how about we make it a big deal when they say its a big deal..... you'll just look kinda foolish after all this crap if he comes out and plays all year. but then again I wouldn't expect you to care about that from what I've witnessed in my short time here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Anyone ever feel bad when a player has a serious injury and all we talk about is how it hurts the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Anyone ever feel bad when a player has a serious injury and all we talk about is how it hurts the team? I think as fans our sympathy for the player is implied, but how it impacts the team is more important to us personally as we are invested in the team and the team's success... not that individual players ability to get back on the field. Especially a guy who hasn't been here very long. No one wants him to be hurt, and I think everyone wants whats best for his long term health, but if he walked away tomorrow to retire, we still have season and we still need to worry about that season. For me the only time fans really get invested in injuries and the player is cases like Kevin Everett when it's life and death, and no freaking joke... then people pull together about the player. But for most injuries its like "Ah *****, hope he's okay... so what are the Bills gonna do to replace him?" Because the next game is where we need to look... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Concerning to say the least. I just don't understand how this happened so easily. In his PC he was talking about all the neurology work he did, yet 1 day into padded practices, he has a concussion already? How the heck is he going to play in this league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Concerning to say the least. I just don't understand how this happened so easily. In his PC he was talking about all the neurology work he did, yet 1 day into padded practices, he has a concussion already? How the heck is he going to play in this league? Right, 1 concussion in the first practice.. this sounds like a guy who is done. I don't understand the people downplaying this. It's his what 5th concussion? In an era where everyone is super sensitive and aware of the consequences this is bad. I'd be surprised if he plays in many games as a Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 5 hours ago, ScottLaw said: STOP BEING NEGATIVE! ? He is being positive - positively like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, HeHateMe said: Right, 1 concussion in the first practice.. this sounds like a guy who is done. I don't understand the people downplaying this. It's his what 5th concussion? In an era where everyone is super sensitive and aware of the consequences this is bad. I'd be surprised if he plays in many games as a Bill. Baffling to me. I'll tell you what, no way I'm cutting Bodine. I liked him last year and thought the Oline took a step back when he was out. He is a decent player in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: This whole thread is hilariously dramatic. Certainly some dramatic over reactions to be sure. However at minimum, the prevalent concussion history coupled with this current situation increases the probability Bills are back to fielding a line with a back up center instead of an accomplished vet. Certainly unfortunate news. If I’m in Beanes shoes, it’s costing me some sleep. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: So we should all consider "When or if Gugny is caught in a huge emu sex trafficking scandal he will become the first TBDer to be caught in a huge emu trafficking scandal" a fact? Good to know. No he won't. WEO was caught with Robert Krass but thanks for the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Limeaid said: No he won't. WEO was caught with Robert Krass KRAFT but thanks for the effort. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 ***** so we need a new centre already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: He just signed a 40 million dollar contact and probably wants to collect If he retired he will not see the majority Depend on whether Jim Overdorf was involved in contract and if not whether team attempts to get portion of signing bonus back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, Limeaid said: Depend on whether Jim Overdorf was involved in contract and if not whether team attempts to get portion of signing bonus back. If he retires, they'll get go after and get the unamortized SB back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 7 hours ago, Elite Poster said: 4th in 5 years...yikes.. 4th reported or documented in 5 years. These guys get these things like mosquito bites in a swamp. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, HeHateMe said: Right, 1 concussion in the first practice.. this sounds like a guy who is done. I don't understand the people downplaying this. It's his what 5th concussion? In an era where everyone is super sensitive and aware of the consequences this is bad. I'd be surprised if he plays in many games as a Bill. And I don't understand the people who have come to conclusions like he's done, or won't play in many games based on almost no information... Much like everything with the Bills, we'll know more, when we know more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Heitz said: And I don't understand the people who have come to conclusions like he's done, or won't play in many games based on almost no information... Much like everything with the Bills, we'll know more, when we know more! Why use rational thought and logic when there's so much EMOTION to be vomited forth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 35 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Concerning to say the least. I just don't understand how this happened so easily. We know you understand very little....about concussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Heitz said: And I don't understand the people who have come to conclusions like he's done, or won't play in many games based on almost no information... Much like everything with the Bills, we'll know more, when we know more! He is one of the most important pieces on offense this year and we just signed him to a 4 year deal... His 1 question mark was the injuries, specifically concussions. And he goes out in practice #1 and gets a concussion... that is crazy stuff. He could be fine and play 16 games this year... but I seriously doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 35 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Concerning to say the least. I just don't understand how this happened so easily. In his PC he was talking about all the neurology work he did, yet 1 day into padded practices, he has a concussion already? How the heck is he going to play in this league? That’s the $64,000 question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, ScottLaw said: Guy just signed the richest Center deal in the league with a history of concussions and got one the first practice with pads on.... I'd say that's a big concern. I know, I know. I'm just being negative and Beanes a wizard.? You're being repetitive, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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