YoloinOhio Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Healthy is the operative word. McDermott and Beane are hanging a lot on Murphy being the player they hoped they found last year. If he's not healthy, the pass rush will suffer this year, again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Lies - I read he is a bust. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Healthy is the operative word. McDermott and Beane are hanging a lot on Murphy being the player they hoped they found last year. If he's not healthy, the pass rush will suffer this year, again. That is the whole point of the article 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Healthy is the operative word. McDermott and Beane are hanging a lot on Murphy being the player they hoped they found last year. If he's not healthy, the pass rush will suffer this year, again. They have a rotation on the defensive line and if Murphy gets injured or doesn't perform he'll get less snaps and other guys will get more opportunities, like Shaq Lawson. We also know that Lorenzo Alexander rushes the passer in certain situations. They also drafted Oliver high to provide pass rush on the interior. And of course, our top pass rusher is Jerry Hughes. Ultimately they will be fine regardless. It would definitely be great if Murphy is good and healthy, but the success of the defense (and even the pass rush) does not hinge only on that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, MJS said: They have a rotation on the defensive line and if Murphy gets injured or doesn't perform he'll get less snaps and other guys will get more opportunities, like Shaq Lawson. We also know that Lorenzo Alexander rushes the passer in certain situations. They also drafted Oliver high to provide pass rush on the interior. And of course, our top pass rusher is Jerry Hughes. Ultimately they will be fine regardless. It would definitely be great if Murphy is good and healthy, but the success of the defense (and even the pass rush) does not hinge only on that. If this was one of those survey questions. I’d check the strongly disagree box. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, CommonCents said: If this was one of those survey questions. I’d check the strongly disagree box. I'm crushed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 This subject might be worthwhile come early to mid-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, MJS said: They have a rotation on the defensive line and if Murphy gets injured or doesn't perform he'll get less snaps and other guys will get more opportunities, like Shaq Lawson. We also know that Lorenzo Alexander rushes the passer in certain situations. They also drafted Oliver high to provide pass rush on the interior. And of course, our top pass rusher is Jerry Hughes. Ultimately they will be fine regardless. It would definitely be great if Murphy is good and healthy, but the success of the defense (and even the pass rush) does not hinge only on that. They largely have the same defensive line as last year, just swap out an aging Kyle for the rookie Ed Oliver. I'm not holding my breath that Oliver will make that big of an impact out of the gate. I suspect he will see that he NFL guards and centers are a lot better than what he saw while playing for U of H. If Murphy is injured, I don't think the pass rush will be formidable at all, coupled with the fact that Frazier tends not to blitz or stunt to overload the opponents weakest link on the OLine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 No matter, the defense will be stout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 The article is illustrated with a picture of the Rookie manhandling a slim looking Murphy. "nyup.com" might want to hire a Sports Editor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 DE and WR will be our clear targets in FA and the draft next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) Third and long I really like a front 4 of Hughes-Oliver-Lorax-Murphy. Edited July 28, 2019 by NewEra 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Serious question here, how good did Aaron Donald look in his rookie season? How big of an impact did he have? I honestly don't remember at this point how good he looked coming right out the gate. In my mind I keep pondering how much of an impact we can realistically expect from Oliver?(I'm also not implying I think he will match Aaron Donald's production in his rookie year although he could be close) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) Rest and bubble wrap him until the season starts Edited July 29, 2019 by Shooter McGavin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 He was very good against the run in dc. That’s my main concern to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 44 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said: Serious question here, how good did Aaron Donald look in his rookie season? How big of an impact did he have? I honestly don't remember at this point how good he looked coming right out the gate. In my mind I keep pondering how much of an impact we can realistically expect from Oliver?(I'm also not implying I think he will match Aaron Donald's production in his rookie year although he could be close) He won DROY and went to the pro-bowl in his rookie season. He had 9 sacks, 48 tackles, and 16 TFL in 2014. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 I mean, what is he supposed to say? He sucks and got overpaid? Between the injuries, PED suspension, and lack of production (19 sacks in 5 years), I’m not that excited for him. but I guess he would like finding money in your laundry at this point. I do think this defense is a really good pass rusher from being an elite group. 1 hour ago, BillsPride12 said: Serious question here, how good did Aaron Donald look in his rookie season? How big of an impact did he have? I honestly don't remember at this point how good he looked coming right out the gate. In my mind I keep pondering how much of an impact we can realistically expect from Oliver?(I'm also not implying I think he will match Aaron Donald's production in his rookie year although he could be close) I predict 5 to 7 sacks from Oliver, which would be a good rookie season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 2 hours ago, MJS said: They have a rotation on the defensive line and if Murphy gets injured or doesn't perform he'll get less snaps and other guys will get more opportunities, like Shaq Lawson. We also know that Lorenzo Alexander rushes the passer in certain situations. They also drafted Oliver high to provide pass rush on the interior. And of course, our top pass rusher is Jerry Hughes. Ultimately they will be fine regardless. It would definitely be great if Murphy is good and healthy, but the success of the defense (and even the pass rush) does not hinge only on that. I wonder how that kid out of North Carolina A&T is coming along... Daryl Johnson Jr. The Bills scouts tend to hit gold in their later round signings - the kid is raw, but has the height 6' 6" and the build that is in the mold of some of the more successful DE's, maybe not as tall as Jacksonville's Campbell (that kid is a sky scraper), but in the neighborhood. He has some solid guys to learn from, will be interesting to see if he sticks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: They largely have the same defensive line as last year, just swap out an aging Kyle for the rookie Ed Oliver. I'm not holding my breath that Oliver will make that big of an impact out of the gate. I suspect he will see that he NFL guards and centers are a lot better than what he saw while playing for U of H. If Murphy is injured, I don't think the pass rush will be formidable at all, coupled with the fact that Frazier tends not to blitz or stunt to overload the opponents weakest link on the OLine. Yeah. Mostly the same and the 2nd ranked defense in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 A game changer? We shall see. It's great that he's healthy and he can be of great help to the defense. If he can stay healthy for most if not the entire season, the better. Depth at DE is a concern. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: DE and WR will be our clear targets in FA and the draft next year. You forgot to add OL and CB Edited July 29, 2019 by Putin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 If his move to TE doesn’t work out, Tyree Jackson could be a diamond in the rough as a DE. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 5 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: DE and WR will be our clear targets in FA and the draft next year. DE for sure. If we land one via FA, then I can see us going WR pretty early in the Draft. Even with only 7 picks, trading one for an established pass rusher should be considered as well. It would be fantastic if the Murphy experiment explodes for the good! He reached a point late last year where he was beginning to make his presence felt. We’ve read some encouraging news from camp about him before the LoAl article. A MadSkills DE will complete this Defense. Right now, we have ~$30M+ with no major players coming up in FA. With Shady off the books -or re-signed at favorable cost, we can afford the youngest, best DE in FA. In the meantime, Best Wishes, Murph! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 6 hours ago, NewEra said: Third and long I really like a front 4 of Hughes-Oliver-Lorax-Murphy. Huh? Please explain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 13 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: Healthy is the operative word. McDermott and Beane are hanging a lot on Murphy being the player they hoped they found last year. If he's not healthy, the pass rush will suffer this year, again. Agreed. Charles Clay was a game changer when healthy as well. He was never healthy. Result : his NFL career worked out exceedingly well... for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 13 hours ago, BillsPride12 said: Serious question here, how good did Aaron Donald look in his rookie season? How big of an impact did he have? I honestly don't remember at this point how good he looked coming right out the gate. In my mind I keep pondering how much of an impact we can realistically expect from Oliver?(I'm also not implying I think he will match Aaron Donald's production in his rookie year although he could be close) He looked incredible, 9 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 37 solo tackles and he only startd 12 games 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I agree, but the same could be said about a lot of players the Bills have picked up and hung their hat on. Shawne Merriman would be an example. Remember that one training camp where he was healthy at first and we were all "wow.....LightsOut can flat-out Ball!". But it didn't last because he couldn't stay healthy. I hope Trent Murphy is healthy and can stay healthy through the season, and be a difference maker. That would be ultra-cool. But "healthy" is the key. Where is that guy who talked about the gym where Murphy trains and how it's a known PED pit? I hope McBeane have a Plan B that doesn't rely on a healthy Murphy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Huh? Please explain Sometimes I wonder. RDE- Hughes DT- Oliver DT- Lorax LDE- Murphy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 33 minutes ago, NewEra said: Sometimes I wonder. RDE- Hughes DT- Oliver DT- Lorax LDE- Murphy Alexander is currently listed at 245 pounds and you want him lined up at DT? I think he is fine as a spot pass rusher in the DE spot. And Im ok with moving Lawson to DT for a few reps a game. B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 17 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Alexander is currently listed at 245 pounds and you want him lined up at DT? I think he is fine as a spot pass rusher in the DE spot. And Im ok with moving Lawson to DT for a few reps a game. B “3rd and long” are you really worried about the undersized DT being run over? It’s a passing down with the DL pinning back their ears and getting after the qB. He’s 100% one of our top 4 pass rushers and extremely effective rushing the passer from the outside and the interior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 10 hours ago, Mark Vader said: A game changer? We shall see. It's great that he's healthy and he can be of great help to the defense. If he can stay healthy for most if not the entire season, the better. Depth at DE is a concern. The last time we saw a fully healthy Murphy (2016 I believe) he was definitely a game changer. We shall see though. The talent is definitely there and with a pretty deep and talented line , should see plenty of 1 on 1 situations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 If anything, he and Hughes should create plenty of pressure. Hughes is usually near the top in QB pressures and Murphy was as well before the injuries. Sometimes pressure can be just as good as a sack as it causes QBs to hurry and make poor decisions. And, fun fact, Washington traded the 34th overall pick in 2014 to the Cowboys for picks 47 (Murphy) and 78 (Spencer Long), both ended up on the Bills. The Cowboys took Demarcus Lawrence with that #34 pick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, blacklabel said: If anything, he and Hughes should create plenty of pressure. Hughes is usually near the top in QB pressures and Murphy was as well before the injuries. Sometimes pressure can be just as good as a sack as it causes QBs to hurry and make poor decisions. And, fun fact, Washington traded the 34th overall pick in 2014 to the Cowboys for picks 47 (Murphy) and 78 (Spencer Long), both ended up on the Bills. The Cowboys took Demarcus Lawrence with that #34 pick. Great trade for the stupid Cowboys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 15 hours ago, Captain Murica said: He won DROY and went to the pro-bowl in his rookie season. He had 9 sacks, 48 tackles, and 16 TFL in 2014. So the dude was a beast as a rookie, and seriously dominant after. I mean, who thought anyone could legitimately make it so obvious to be Defensive Player of the Year over JJ Watt? He really looks like a man playing against boys at times. Yet... he was a complete no show in the Superbowl. Was he injured or Bellichick is really that much of a genius? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Jerome007 said: So the dude was a beast as a rookie, and seriously dominant after. I mean, who thought anyone could legitimately make it so obvious to be Defensive Player of the Year over JJ Watt? He really looks like a man playing against boys at times. Yet... he was a complete no show in the Superbowl. Was he injured or Bellichick is really that much of a genius? He’s been a monster since the day his name was called by Goodell. It’s funny how Rex stated he couldn’t hold Sheldon Richardson’s jock strap. I hate that hire more ever day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 19 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: They largely have the same defensive line as last year, just swap out an aging Kyle for the rookie Ed Oliver. I'm not holding my breath that Oliver will make that big of an impact out of the gate. I suspect he will see that he NFL guards and centers are a lot better than what he saw while playing for U of H. If Murphy is injured, I don't think the pass rush will be formidable at all, coupled with the fact that Frazier tends not to blitz or stunt to overload the opponents weakest link on the OLine. ...and that is why these old school coaches fail. look at what the pats did to rivers in the playoffs. they made him look like peterman. they brought it on every single snap. i hope mcd will step in if the old wannstandt style of defense rears it's head again like early last season. we have the backend to blitz like crazy and the few times we did last year, i believe all ended up with sacks. i'm holding hope on murphy being a monster. we need him game 1 for sure. 17 hours ago, WideNine said: I wonder how that kid out of North Carolina A&T is coming along... Daryl Johnson Jr. The Bills scouts tend to hit gold in their later round signings - the kid is raw, but has the height 6' 6" and the build that is in the mold of some of the more successful DE's, maybe not as tall as Jacksonville's Campbell (that kid is a sky scraper), but in the neighborhood. He has some solid guys to learn from, will be interesting to see if he sticks. i sure hope he does. i think he'll be another dwight freeney. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Alexander is currently listed at 245 pounds and you want him lined up at DT? I think he is fine as a spot pass rusher in the DE spot. And Im ok with moving Lawson to DT for a few reps a game. B they played that lineup last year with great success. i also think they should kick shaq inside at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Jerome007 said: So the dude was a beast as a rookie, and seriously dominant after. I mean, who thought anyone could legitimately make it so obvious to be Defensive Player of the Year over JJ Watt? He really looks like a man playing against boys at times. Yet... he was a complete no show in the Superbowl. Was he injured or Bellichick is really that much of a genius? ???? I thought he had a big impact on that game. Pats may have tried to avoid him but it’s not like they had a lot of success doing it. Bellichek showed the genius by shutting Goff down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 I think there’s enough depth to get a consistent rush this year. Between the Phillips boys, now Oliver, Hughes and Murphy.. and I know Shaq Lawson “can’t get sacks” but he’s actually my pick to have the best season since he’s playing for a huge payday. We can always throw Lorax in to help, Milano can get pressure when asked and edmunds absolutely has some pass rush chops. With a strong secondary there’s zero reason these guys should not get plenty of pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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