DrDawkinstein Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Just now, Logic said: What do you notice about this Tweet? ? The BILLS are the most stable franchise?!? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: He has a point but after you give a guy four years of drafts and he does a bad job, don't you have to move on? His only good picks were his high first round picks. Missed on all his second rounders (including the incomprehensible Hackenberg pick) and pretty much all the others that he made as well. How many mulligans should he get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Seems a little late now. This is the kind of decision you need to make before spending the money. And this puts Bell and Mosley in a very awkward position. This is as dysfunctional as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Seems a little late now. This is the kind of decision you need to make before spending the money. And this puts Bell and Mosley in a very awkward position. This is as dysfunctional as it gets. Yep. I ALREADY loved the fact that the Jets gave tons of money to a running back and an off-ball linebacker. Now, hearing that their new head coach didn't even really want them? Too delicious for words. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufridr101 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 The jets jets are trying to build a team with high priced free agents. This never works and always gets the gm fired. When a team is close to the Superbowl and and wants to get over the hump then a high priced free agent makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 hours ago, DCOrange said: Is this all that different from what we did with Whaley? So here are some key differences: Bills: Whaley signs no FAs before the draft Jets: Let Mac spend $191.2M on Le'Veon Bell, C.J. Mosley, Jamison Crowder and Henry Anderson Bills: Trade down out of the #10 spot to stock picks for the next year and incoming GM Jets: Let Mac stay at #3 overall Bills: Fire Whaley the day after the draft and immediately move on their GM target Jets: Wait 3 weeks and have no one lined up 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Let me be the first to say: I can't wait for the new GM's introductory PC! I SEE what you did there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) This is absurd. Edited May 15, 2019 by FeelingOnYouboty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Forward Progress said: Chronologically, Cher came before Madonna who came before Spears, so Cher (along with Stevie Nicks and Joni Mitchell) are all Pre-Madonna's. Until another Madonna comes along, Spears can't be a Pre-Madonna. Pre-Modanna doesnt mean before Madonna. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 41 minutes ago, Logic said: What do you notice about this Tweet? ? He forgot that Todd Haley was Mayfields OC in Cleveland. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Miami apparently didn't think he was so good. We'll see. They Had an idiot for a GM. As did the Jets. Gase has recognized his deficiencies in the D department and hired Greggo. Edited May 15, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 The below article is....really something.https://www.ganggreennation.com/2019/5/15/18624969/the-jets-are-an-aimless-embarrassment The Jets are an aimless embarrassment 30 By John B May 15, 2019, 2:15pm EDT SHARE Rich Barnes-USA TODAY Sports I don’t have any sympathy for Mike Maccagnan. His firing was overdue. He had four years to try his hand at being the Jets’ general manager, and his record was objectively poor in almost every category. He didn’t show the big picture vision necessary to build a Super Bowl contender. And there is something poetic about him being pushed out because he lost a power struggle. Just months ago he orchestrated a media campaign designed to make sure Todd Bowles and not he paid the price for the team’s disappointing season. He needed to be relieved of his duties. I am convinced of that. But as they do so frequently, the Jets have somehow managed to bungle things even when they are making an obvious move. Much of the discussion from today’s change will revolve around the timing. I have already seen many comments beginning with, “The timing isn’t ideal, but.” There is no but. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 3 hours ago, WhoTom said: That's what I was thinking: who fires their GM right after the draft? Oh yeah, the Bills. Actually, firing GM's after the draft is not all that uncommon. There are two schools of thought. One being that you do it right at the end of the season when you dump the head coach. The second is do it right after the draft so that you don't disrupt the draft preparation and free agency signing process. I prefer at the end of the season and don't touch the Personnel and Scouting Departments until after the draft. Gase couldn't get along in Miami and now it has started in New York. Losers will act like losers! I love the fact that the New York media is totally apoplectic over the bumbling of both of their teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 45 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I don't know about that the Bills almost traded up with Denver in the actual draft. So theirs an Owner then a Chairman/CEO then a President then a GM then a HC? That seems a little top heavy. Almost? So Denver wouldn’t have dropped 1 spot for 1 of those 2nd rounders? It was a flailing prayer move by a dead man walking GM that bought him another year as GM when he should’ve been fired after year 3 along with Bowles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Juice_32 said: How the hell is Gase held in such high esteem? What has the guy ever done? Ed Reed was right. he did that one thing with his eyes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 55 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Seems a little top heavy. The owner is an ambassador and out of the picture. So looks heavy because of that to a degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, RiotAct said: he did that one thing with his eyes He has fast eyes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dafan Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Gase didnt want to pay Bell and Mosley the money the did. But if they didn't pay them that money they would have signed elsewhere and the Jets would have had nothing improving on their team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCastleFanBills Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 At least now, Gase can pick the players he will lose games with. So that's a plus. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: They let Gase, who has won nothing, win the power struggle that fast and take over the entire team? But the same could be said of McDermott, right? We did the same thing, allowing McDermott to bring in a GM that he trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, Dafan said: Gase didnt want to pay Bell and Mosley the money the did. But if they didn't pay them that money they would have signed elsewhere and the Jets would have had nothing improving on their team. Exactly - the GM had to make moves to save his job, so, oh, yeah wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Kmart128 said: I'm surprised. They seemed to have a good off-season. Two years in a row But did they win the off season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 so not only do they wait so long to fire the GM, it now gets out that their new HC didnt even want the big players they just signed in FA? Man thats next level bad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 If I am a Jets fan, I’d rather have Gase in charge than Maccagnan. Gase was the next big offensive coach coming from Denver. I can’t really hold it against him that he didn’t win with Tannehill as QB. Deserves another shot. Maccagnan was a clown and deserved to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 41 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Pre-Modanna doesnt mean before Madonna. They're making fun of you because it's "prima donna," not "pre-madonna." 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said: If I am a Jets fan, I’d rather have Gase in charge than Maccagnan. Gase was the next big offensive coach coming from Denver. I can’t really hold it against him that he didn’t win with Tannehill as QB. Deserves another shot. Maccagnan was a clown and deserved to go. If I am a Jets fan... well I wouldn't want to be a Jets fan. I wouldnt trust Gase either though, Maccagnan put them in a bad spot in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 3 hours ago, ScottLaw said: His winning percentage is better than McDermott's and he's actually beat BB a few times.... so I don't really get all the criticism from Bills fans of him. He doesn't have what it takes long term to be a successful Head Coach. He doesn't have the character, the demeanor or the leadership skill. He is, I think, a good x and o guy - especially on offense. But you need to be a hell of a lot more than that to win consistently in this league. Gase's body language on the sideline when his team is struggling is atrocious. He is a sulker. You can't succeed that way. I am sure of it. You have to stay a teacher at all times good or bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Heitz said: Exactly - the GM had to make moves to save his job, so, oh, yeah wait... I think this is what killed Mac. He spent excessively on splashy free agents for an immediate impact an keep his job. He has a terrible drafting record outside of the 1 top-six pick he gets to make almost every year. Now the Jets have devoted big money to a RB and a LB, which are usually two of the most cap-friendly positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 15, 2019 Author Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, MJS said: But the same could be said of McDermott, right? We did the same thing, allowing McDermott to bring in a GM that he trusted. It may appear on the surface like a similar situation but looking at it from the lens of following both situations closely, it was not. Mac was given full control of the draft and FA, which caused friction with Gase and then ownership caved. There was tons of media speculation about the friction between the 2 and Gase denied it all. With the Bills situation, Whaley was a lame duck the minute McD got here. He was so different than Rex/Whaley that the Pegulas witnessed competence and realized that Whaley was in over his head. It didn’t help that he looked like a bumbling idiot in front of the media over and over and didn’t appear fit to run an NFL team. He reportedly had little control over the draft or FA and was just a puppet for McD until Beane got there, which is why he and the entire FO and scouting dept was fired the day after the draft. McD also didn’t reach for control over the 53, the Bills just wanted a different GM to pair with McD and draft the QB, The Jets are firing the GM who picked the QB -during OTAs - and outside of his right hand man, everyone else in the FO is still there and GASE is now in his job, until they fill it. And when they do, that GM will not have control over the 53, I suspect. Edited May 15, 2019 by YoloinOhio 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 having your gm and coach on the same page is so important. Interesting this didn't happen before the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 15, 2019 Author Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: having your gm and coach on the same page is so important. Interesting this didn't happen before the draft Totally agree. In this case, it will be more about the GM being on Gase’s page. I don’t envision a two-way street Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 49 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: They Had an idiot for a GM. As did the Jets. Gase has recognized his deficiencies in the D department and hired Greggo. The word is one of the sticking points was hiring greggo. Gase didn't want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 A major reason why the Pats have had an 18 year dynasty is because of the total incompetence of the other 3 organizations in this division. Don’t ever let this fact get lost when bringing up the Pats in historical perspectives. The Jets continue to be living proof of this as they follow Buffalo’s footsteps on how to handle a GM situation (Bills in 2017). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Totally agree. In this case, it will be more about the GM being on Gase’s page. I don’t envision a two-way street that's what it should be. the gm should be getting the players the coach wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Zany eyes aside Gase is actually, probably right, here... Just sayin' 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Dave Gettleman is the happiest man in NYC today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 15, 2019 Author Share Posted May 15, 2019 Just now, aristocrat said: that's what it should be. the gm should be getting the players the coach wants. In some ways ... but there is a lot more to it than that. It should be collaborative. The GM is building a team, not taking orders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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