jkeerie Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: That’s an odd thing to speculate. Rosen has handled an incredibly difficult and, quite frankly, embarrassing situation with a ton of class. I haven’t seen otherwise from him so far. I agree. You can't fault him. The idea is if he gets "discarded" a second time, will he be so gracious? His reaction after he was passed over by so many teams in the 2018 draft wasn't that pleasant. Will he return to that form if he gets dumped again for another QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, jkeerie said: I agree. You can't fault him. The idea is if he gets "discarded" a second time, will he be so gracious? His reaction after he was passed over by so many teams in the 2018 draft wasn't that pleasant. Will he return to that form if he gets dumped again for another QB? I had no problem with his reaction when teams passed on him in the draft. Brady has said his attitude was always 198 times GMs passed on me I am going to make them all sorry. And he was all class last week. He is in a difficult spot in Miami but it is an opportunity. He has to make the best of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I had no problem with his reaction when teams passed on him in the draft. Brady has said his attitude was always 198 times GMs passed on me I am going to make them all sorry. And he was all class last week. He is in a difficult spot in Miami but it is an opportunity. He has to make the best of it. I have no problem with that attitude either. Chips on shoulders are tremendous motivation. It's the way he expressed himself when he was initially interviewed. Rather than being grateful for being drafted, he expressed resentment. (His later interviews were better.) To his credit he didn't do that when the team that drafted him discarded him after one season. I agree that he handled it with class in front of the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Call me a homer but Oliver at 9 could be a steal, I think he's going to be a great player. Miami getting Rosen for a 2nd could turn out great for them---this guy could end up being a thorn in our side for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Cleveland getting Greedy Williams. Their offense and defense is loaded with talent. Their biggest obstacle to the playoffs is being the Cleveland Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 6 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: Jags Allen at 7 and Taylor at 35 They basically got a guy who has been mocked to them at 7 at pick 35 (granted he's gotta stay healthy) and a guy who was never mocked to be there at 7. +1. THe Jaguars had a phenomenal first two days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 6 hours ago, MTLBills said: Pats getting Winovich in round 3. Kelvin Harmon to WSH in round 6 is also pretty good. Winovich is over rated. The Buckeyes embarrassed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Nihilarian said: Let's not forget Matt Millen president of the Lions and some odd fellow named Russ Brandon. I have only one memory of Matt Millen... https://deadspin.com/history-lesson-the-time-matt-millen-punched-the-patrio-5901978 . That said, I think the Pats got quite a steal with N’Keal Harry at #32. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 David Sills V UDFA Oliver at 9 Winovich in 3rd of course to Pats* Greedy Williams Hockenson @ 8:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Nihilarian said: I dunno man, Rosen didn't look all that good behind a bad Cards O line last season. 3-13 and Rosen went 3-10. Guess what? The Dolphins have one of the worst rosters in the NFL and they gave up 52 sacks last season. They also lost their starting LT to Denver. Cameron Wake, Frank Gore, Danny Amendola, starting LG Ted Larson all gone in free agency. Most draft pundits have the Dolphins selecting the #1 overall pick in 2020 and that is a QB! Could you imagine how much that would suck for Rosen if the exact same scenario happened next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIrvine Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Myles Gaskin to the Dolphins in the 7th round. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalophil1948 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, Playoffs? said: Could you imagine how much that would suck for Rosen if the exact same scenario happened next year? Poor cocky bastard would be having the worst case of deja vu come next years draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 38 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Winovich is over rated. The Buckeyes embarrassed him. He was playing with a broken collarbone. Really shouldn’t have been out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) End of the year? Vosean Joseph will be starting and making some big plays. Edited May 3, 2019 by hemma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 5 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: That is still the most shocking pick in the draft. Clelin Ferrell would like to have a word with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Sweat at 26 to the Redskins if he is healthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) Pats trading up in the 5th for a punter. Snatched him up! Edited May 3, 2019 by nedboy7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: How rich is the Cardinal owner? Does he need the several million dollars he will make on Murray before the season even starts? He should let any fan who bought a Rosen jersey trade it in for a Murray Jersey at the Cardinals store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 8 hours ago, HOUSE said: QB Danial Jones , The Giants fans are still screaming That video of the fans reacting at the meadowlands is priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) Biggest steal would indicate a single player, not the most overall value. Here are some of my notable steals: Jags - Jawaan Taylor. I am not high on Taylor, but getting a guy who had top 15 selection potential in the 2nd round is a pretty good steal. Tenn - Jeffrey Simmons. Not a steal in where he was projected due to his injury per se, but in terms of talent this kid was top 5 in this draft. Pats - N'Keal Harry. Getting him at the end of the first was to me was a steal, he was my top WR in the draft personally. Bills - Cody Ford. He was a top 15 player who we got in the 2nd, big steal. Sea - DK Metcalf. Getting him with the last pick in the 2nd was a monster steal. He also landed in a perfect situation for himself too. Honorable UDFA mention: Bills - David Sills V. Bills got a guy who had been projected as high as the 3rd round to 5th round for nothing. Thats a great deal always. Edited May 3, 2019 by Alphadawg7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfansinceday1 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 I think Metcalf at the end of the 2nd round was huge. i also like the fact that we got Cody Ford at #38. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Sea - DK Metcalf. Getting him with the last pick in the 2nd was a monster steal. He also landed in a perfect situation for himself too. I was never as high on DK as you but agree Seattle is a great spot for him. Their offense is perfect to hide his weaknesses. It is simple route concepts and lots of down field throws in longer developing scramble scenarios where his long speed can overcome his lack of short area quickness and sharp direction change ability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Chauncey Gardner-Johnson-CB/S Saints 4th Round Dru Samia-G Vikings 4th Round Deionte Thompson-S Cardinals 5th Round Blake Cashman-LB Jets 5th Round Emeke Egbule-LB Chargers 6th Round Darwin Thompson-RB Chiefs 6th Round 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 I’m cheating a little, but the Fins got a great deal on Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) Stanley Morgan as a UDFA to Cinci is a big steal IMO; I think he was one of the best WRs in the draft. DK in the late 2nd was huge too. Think us getting Ford in the 2nd was also a big steal. Edited May 3, 2019 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 caleb wilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I was never as high on DK as you but agree Seattle is a great spot for him. Their offense is perfect to hide his weaknesses. It is simple route concepts and lots of down field throws in longer developing scramble scenarios where his long speed can overcome his lack of short area quickness and sharp direction change ability. Yeah, whether someone was high or low on DK, getting him there was a real value for Seattle. I like guys who have things you can’t coach because a good coaching staff can help develop the areas where you can be coached. And what I liked about DK besides his insane physical ability is his work ethic, character and how much the game means to him. Seattle got a guy who will put everything he has into it, and when you got a guy like that with his physical gifts and a talented coaching staff like Seattle, that’s a great pairing. Honestly I have high confidence in our own staff to get the most out of players, which is why I was certainly a big fan of drafting DK at some point. That being said, I have zero complaints about our draft, wouldn’t have changed it, and loved it. You can’t draft everyone and I love that we got Oliver and Ford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Singletary and Knox will prove to be the steals of the draft in two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
416BillsFan Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 18 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: That is still the most shocking pick in the draft. Clelin Ferrell at 4 was more shocking IMO. The Jones pick was predicted by some media people like Adam Schein, but CF at 4 came out of nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I was never as high on DK as you but agree Seattle is a great spot for him. Their offense is perfect to hide his weaknesses. It is simple route concepts and lots of down field throws in longer developing scramble scenarios where his long speed can overcome his lack of short area quickness and sharp direction change ability. I agree - my only concern with him seeing immediate success is that it appears Doug Baldwin is done. Does that make him their #1 WR? I feel like that might be rough out of the gate for him. I like Tyler Lockett but he’s used to getting the CB2 as well. Edited May 3, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I agree - my only concern with him seeing immediate success is that it appears Doug Baldwin is done. Does that make him their #1 WR? I feel like that might be rough out of the gate for him. Are you forgetting about Tyler Lockett? Defenses will have a tough time matching up with him and Metcalf on the field at the same time. I feel like Lockett is Tyreek Hill-like in that he’s a guy the defense has to account for on every single play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 1 minute ago, mannc said: Are you forgetting about Tyler Lockett? Defenses will have a tough time matching up with him and Metcalf on the field at the same time. I feel like Lockett is Tyreek Hill-like in that he’s a guy the defense has to account for on every single play. No I didn’t forget about him, but as a WR1 he’s a projection rather than a certainty. Metcalf would have been a lot more free with Baldwin out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: No I didn’t forget about him, but as a WR1 he’s a projection rather than a certainty. Metcalf would have been a lot more free with Baldwin out there. I would say 1000 yards receiving and 10 TDs is more just than a projection. Looks like a breakout year to me... I think Diontae Johnson in the 3d may turn out to be a steal for Pittsburgh. They have a pretty good track record for finding receivers... Edited May 3, 2019 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I agree - my only concern with him seeing immediate success is that it appears Doug Baldwin is done. Does that make him their #1 WR? I feel like that might be rough out of the gate for him. I like Tyler Lockett but he’s used to getting the CB2 as well. Yea agree. That is a concern. Because Baldwin has been great for them. And he is so sure handed. If Metcalf gets there and starts dropping a few balls that could be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) Normally I would say DK Metcalf but he slipped way to far to draw a conclusion. I would have to say Devin Singletary ... Edited May 3, 2019 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea agree. That is a concern. Because Baldwin has been great for them. And he is so sure handed. If Metcalf gets there and starts dropping a few balls that could be an issue. I always felt the best team for him would be one where he could ease in as a complementary weapon initially instead of an integral piece that was relied upon for production right away. They might still be able to make that happen there, but just think might need a bit of time before he starts really producing due his rawness. Usually it’s the technician route runners that produce in the 1st year and even then the position as a whole, generally, isn’t a big producer as rookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Jags with Josh Allen at 7. Tantalizing close to the Bills. I wonder what Beane would have done if he was there (Oliver vs Allen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 32 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: Jags with Josh Allen at 7. Tantalizing close to the Bills. I wonder what Beane would have done if he was there (Oliver vs Allen). This is simply a guess but I think he would have gone with Oliver, just due to the positional value he will fill in McD’s scheme and the hole we have (had) there 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfansinceday1 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 37 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: Jags with Josh Allen at 7. Tantalizing close to the Bills. I wonder what Beane would have done if he was there (Oliver vs Allen). I doubt we will ever know for sure but I think Ed Oliver was their guy the whole time. Great player at a position of great need with the retirement of Kyle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 I’ll go with the redskins with their selection of Kelvin Harmon in rd 6. The combine ruined him. While not the explosive talent team like at WR, he just gets the job done by playing to his strengths. Aggressive with strong hands that knows how to find soft spots in zones as well as physically shield the defensive player from the ball. He’s not a #1, but I could see him being a good red zone talent and complimentary player. Im sure he won’t be the best late round selection but I think he can be a safe one. His biggest issue that this point is his qb. 3 minutes ago, Billsfansinceday1 said: I doubt we will ever know for sure but I think Ed Oliver was their guy the whole time. Great player at a position of great need with the retirement of Kyle. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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