Reed83HOF Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, CNY315 said: Oh hell no! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wo-Bah Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 The Chiefs can have him, at that price. Too expensive for me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Mat68 said: Comes down to what they want. If Houston wants to move up that would bring Buffalo into it. Swap 1s next year 2? Could be the ticket. Seattle needed more picks. Houston has a full set of picks but may want to move up for a better Oline prospect. i'm really confused here..... all i'm saying is that if i'm the chiefs keeping ford and my picks is more valuable than just clark….. what do the bills or Houston have to do with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I heard we were not in the running for it so.......moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Wo-Bah said: The Chiefs can have him, at that price. Too expensive for me. Worth every penny imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Clark is so much better than Ford. More production in less time. Great against the run as well and younger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: i'm really confused here..... all i'm saying is that if i'm the chiefs keeping ford and my picks is more valuable than just clark….. what do the bills or Houston have to do with it? Unless the chiefs, who know Dee Ford better than us, don’t think he can play 4-3 DE. While i I initially agreed with you assessment, of Dee Ford sucks at DE, the chiefs made the right move because Frank Clark is a beast DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 It's also a scheme fit. With KC going full time to a 4-3, I don't think Ford would hold up as an every down base defensive end. I wonder if they will still be able to keep Chris Jones and Tyreek Hill though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: i'm really confused here..... all i'm saying is that if i'm the chiefs keeping ford and my picks is more valuable than just clark….. what do the bills or Houston have to do with it? Your response and the quoted portion mentioned Clowney. At this point KC wanted to move on from ford after the playoff blunder. If he doesnt line up terribly Offside KC advances to the superbowl. Clark is a more disruptive player than Ford or Houston, with their departure they had a big need for a edge rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Couple of things: Thank god Bills didnt make this trade. Thats a lot of draft capital and money, and with a pretty good defense already, this was WAY too much for us to pay. WTF are the Chiefs doing? They just traded a first round pick, next years 2nd (main comp they got from Dee was a 2nd this year) and a swap of thirds for Frank Clark and will pay him MORE money than they would have payed Ford. In what world does this make sense for the Chiefs? Clark > Ford, but the difference is NOT this dramatic. This is as puzzling as giving Sammy $16M last year when they already had Hill, Kelce, Conley, and Hunt as weapons for Mahomes. This trade may kill all ability to get Clowney, at least for us. No way Beane trades anything close to this for Clowney and also pays him. If Houston would entertain a swap of firsts, sure, I can see Beane being at the table. But not trading away a first all together and a 2nd and future picks. NO WAY. This is to me is the puzzling piece. Essentially they traded Ford, a first, and swapped thirds for Clark. Then they pay Clark a crazy sum of money on top of that. I would rather have Ford, the first rd pick (CB’s are perhaps the sweet spot there) and the earlier 3rd. Maybe Ford does not fit what they want, but with the lack of defense they showed - not sure Clark gives them much more and the loss of the first is the killer to me. Great spot for corner back help that they need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Great to hear as the Chiefs overpaid for Clark and I was hoping the Bills would go in a different direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Just now, Rochesterfan said: This is to me is the puzzling piece. Essentially they traded Ford, a first, and swapped thirds for Clark. Then they pay Clark a crazy sum of money on top of that. I would rather have Ford, the first rd pick (CB’s are perhaps the sweet spot there) and the earlier 3rd. Maybe Ford does not fit what they want, but with the lack of defense they showed - not sure Clark gives them much more and the loss of the first is the killer to me. Great spot for corner back help that they need. Yeah only thing that makes sense is scheme fit or something along that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I wanted Clark but very glad Buffalo didn't make this sort of deal. Might work out for Chefs, might not. Seems they could have kept Ford and saved a lot of hassle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 40 minutes ago, WMDman said: Why not just keep Ford? You don't keep a Ford when you can have a Mercedes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbaT Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) Would Seattle become a potential trade partner for the Bills if they have a lust for a major player? Their 2 firsts (total 1440 points) for our #9 (1350), our 4th rounder (70) and 6th rounder (18.6). Leaves the Bills with ammunition to go up still in the first but positions them perfectly for other high value targets in advance of the 2nd round Edited April 23, 2019 by BubbaT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 40 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Huge return for Seattle. Bills couldn’t give up 9. Late first more palatable for KC. If you are looking to trade for a player like that it serves you well to be at the back of the first round. That's prime territory to steal a superstar like the Eagles did when they fleeced the Bills of Jason Peters. That trade value for Clark *seems* high because of the 2nd rounder but I'd put it commensurate or lesser value to swapping spots with Buffalo in round one. I think this shows the Bills were likely not involved in discussions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Quickly checked their forums. Saying that fans are furious now would be an understatement. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 29 minutes ago, NewEra said: I would’ve kept Ford. Clark May be a better player, but not that much better where you’d give up a 1st rd pick. Crazy And a 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Dream is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: News flash. Pass rushers get paid. Bills will be in a similar position with Hughes. No ****. I know that. I was talking in terms of draft comp, the contract and where we are at with our roster reconstruction. "Oh hell no" for us, is here I was going. This is also the reason why pass rushers are the next premium position besides QB.... Btw speaking of Hughes: Edited April 23, 2019 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Can we just draft now? The Cardinals are up...tick...tick ...tick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 32 minutes ago, MJS said: I don't believe the Bills would want to give up a first round pick, and more, and then have to pay the guy. With Allen on a rookie contract, we have a 4 year window to make moves exactly like this one. This year wasnt the right time when we are sitting on a top-10 pick. But next year, when we're picking in the late 20s, we could do something similar and pay that player. The Chiefs are simply a year ahead of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Quickly checked their forums. Saying that fans are furious now would be an understatement. We will soon find out what ZeroVolts will have to say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Quickly checked their forums. Saying that fans are furious now would be an understatement. Which fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 We did good to stay away from this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 58 minutes ago, WMDman said: Why not just keep Ford? Clarks better isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 58 minutes ago, WMDman said: Why not just keep Ford? Because Clark is a much better player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 A lot for a guy I'm not even sure is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, eball said: I wanted Clark but very glad Buffalo didn't make this sort of deal. Might work out for Chefs, might not. Seems they could have kept Ford and saved a lot of hassle. Clark is a lot better than Ford. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Which fans? Chiefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Quickly checked their forums. Saying that fans are furious now would be an understatement. Just paid Wilson a crap ton. 2 late 1sts in a draft deep with D-line talent. Could see them drafting one with their pick and maybe a corner with the other 1st. They have to adapt the roster around Wilsons huge contract. And they should - he's a top 5 QB in the NFL today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: A lot for a guy I'm not even sure is good Clark was without questions one of the best DEs in the league last year. He is ferocious and an upgrade over Ford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, No_Matter_What said: Chiefs. Really? Use the Mahomes cheap years to try and win now. Guy just won the MVP in his 2nd year - you have 2 more cheap years including this one. Then the 5th year option, then the cap gutting payday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 That’s more than I thought they’d get. It makes sense for both sides but it’s a hefty price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 For all those asking if Clark is a big upgrade over Ford, I believe that he probably is. But more importantly, the Chiefs are switching to a 4-3 defense, so Clark is a better fit. Dee Ford is more of a 3-4 guy. *Note: Yes, I'm aware teams mostly play nickel these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: That’s more than I thought they’d get. It makes sense for both sides but it’s a hefty price. They're in it to win it this year, and who can blame them? Clark is a major upgrade at the DE position. Ford was overrated. Yeah, he had 13 sacks, but opponents had to pass all the time because they were always behind very early in the game because of the Chiefs' offense. Clark is the real thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: They're in it to win it this year, and who can blame them? Clark is a major upgrade at the DE position. Ford was overrated. Yeah, he had 13 sacks, but opponents had to pass all the time because they were always behind very early in the game because of the Chiefs' offense. Clark is the real thing. They also lost Houston, who is excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Here's Plan B 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: They're in it to win it this year, and who can blame them? Clark is a major upgrade at the DE position. Ford was overrated. Yeah, he had 13 sacks, but opponents had to pass all the time because they were always behind very early in the game because of the Chiefs' offense. Clark is the real thing. Not to mention Hill is cheap for 1 more year, and Mahomes is for 2. Watkins becomes tradeable after this year so you can recoup some draft capital there assuming he can stay healthy for a year and you need the cap for Hill. Capwise he should fit in for 2 years and then you can figure out Mahomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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