YoloinOhio Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) Huge return for Seattle. Bills couldn’t give up 9. Late first more palatable for KC. Edited April 23, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 That trade makes sense for the Chiefs. They're only really giving up the 29th pick this year and a probable late 2nd next year. They can also reasonably feel like they're an impact pass rusher away from another Super Bowl run. This move would NOT have made sense for the Bills. The 9th pick is too high to give up for a team that is where the Bills are in their building process, and the Bills should NOT reasonably feel like they're one player away from a Super Bowl run. 8 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Why not just keep Ford? 18 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Wow. They gave up a ton. Glad the Bills didn't do that. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Just now, Logic said: That trade makes sense for the Chiefs. They're only really giving up the 29th pick this year and a probable late 2nd next year. They can also reasonably feel like they're an impact pass rusher away from another Super Bowl run. This move would NOT have made sense for the Bills. The 9th pick is too high to give up for a team that is where the Bills are in their building process, and the Bills should NOT reasonably feel like they're one player away from a Super Bowl run. I think the chiefs look sorta silly here..... why not pay ford, the slightly lessor but almost as productive talent, and hold onto your 1st this year and 2nd next year? 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Thats why we didnt make the trade. Too expensive given the depth in this draft. It also probably lends some truth to the Ansah talk. It is going to be disappointing for Cheifs fans when they get picked apart all season not having CBs. 2 minutes ago, Logic said: That trade makes sense for the Chiefs. They're only really giving up the 29th pick this year and a probable late 2nd next year. They can also reasonably feel like they're an impact pass rusher away from another Super Bowl run. This move would NOT have made sense for the Bills. The 9th pick is too high to give up for a team that is where the Bills are in their building process, and the Bills should NOT reasonably feel like they're one player away from a Super Bowl run. CBs will cost them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, WMDman said: Why not just keep Ford? They needed a new DV buddy for Tyreek since they sent Kareem packing? 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, WMDman said: Why not just keep Ford? Exactly. To me they got fleeced. Clark is good, but he doesn't offer this much more than Ford. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsSbSoon Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, WMDman said: Why not just keep Ford? Prolly mostly due to changing schemes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, WMDman said: Why not just keep Ford? ? Because GM's are geniuses that are above mortals ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, MJS said: Wow. They gave up a ton. Glad the Bills didn't do that. If the bills had 29 they would have made the same deal. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Good. I was afraid that we would do something like this. I want MORE picks in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Just now, billsbackto81 said: If the bills had 29 they would have made the same deal. I don't believe the Bills would want to give up a first round pick, and more, and then have to pay the guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Seahawks GM loves draft picks- I will bet anyone he trades back for more picks. I’m hoping Beane does same if no oliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I would’ve kept Ford. Clark May be a better player, but not that much better where you’d give up a 1st rd pick. Crazy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) Couple of things: Thank god Bills didnt make this trade. Thats a lot of draft capital and money, and with a pretty good defense already, this was WAY too much for us to pay. WTF are the Chiefs doing? They just traded a first round pick, next years 2nd (main comp they got from Dee was a 2nd this year) and a swap of thirds for Frank Clark and will pay him MORE money than they would have payed Ford. In what world does this make sense for the Chiefs? Clark > Ford, but the difference is NOT this dramatic. This is as puzzling as giving Sammy $16M last year when they already had Hill, Kelce, Conley, and Hunt as weapons for Mahomes. This trade may kill all ability to get Clowney, at least for us. No way Beane trades anything close to this for Clowney and also pays him. If Houston would entertain a swap of firsts, sure, I can see Beane being at the table. But not trading away a first all together and a 2nd and future picks. NO WAY. Edited April 23, 2019 by Alphadawg7 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Just now, MJS said: I don't believe the Bills would want to give up a first round pick, and more, and then have to pay the guy. 29 is more a primo 2nd than Top 10 1st rounder. Who would the Bills have drafted at 29 as good as Clark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Just now, billsbackto81 said: 29 is more a primo 2nd than Top 10 1st rounder. Who would the Bills have drafted at 29 as good as Clark? Nobody, but then they also can develop their own draft picks and not have to pay him a mega deal for 4-5 more years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Toesy Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 You have to give the Seattle GM credit-they lock up Wilson and now have all these picks-they lose a guy who although productive does not appear to be worth 21-22 mill a year IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 SONOFA! Yeah, too high a price.. dammit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: 29 is more a primo 2nd than Top 10 1st rounder. Who would the Bills have drafted at 29 as good as Clark? And by the way, Clark was a 2nd round draft pick. You can find talented guys in the late first or even in round 2 or later. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufridr101 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 19 minutes ago, WMDman said: Why not just keep Ford? Clark is a better player. He plays with power speed and length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I'll have to look at what the Chiefs gave up again. Did they just give up more for Clark than the Bears gave up last year for Mack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Just now, MJS said: And by the way, Clark was a 2nd round draft pick. You can find talented guys in the late first or even in round 2 or later. Primarily from character concerns and the DV stuff IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: If the bills had 29 they would have made the same deal. I doubt it- he doesn’t fit the culture and price tag too steep to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufridr101 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 No way beano would or should have traded a first round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, NewEraBills said: I'll have to look at what the Chiefs gave up again. Did they just give up more for Clark than the Bears gave up last year for Mack? No. The Bears gave their 1st in 2019 and 2020, a 3rd in 2020 and a 6th in 2019 I think. Chiefs gave 2019 1st, 2020 2nd, and swapped 3rds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Couple of things: Thank god Bills didnt make this trade. Thats a lot of draft capital and money, and with a pretty good defense already, this was WAY too much for us to pay. WTF are the Chiefs doing? They just traded a first round pick, next years 2nd (main comp they got from Dee was a 2nd this year) and a swap of thirds for Frank Clark and will pay him MORE money than they would have payed Ford. In what world does this make sense for the Chiefs? Clark > Ford, but the difference is NOT this dramatic. This is as puzzling as giving Sammy $16M last year when they already had Hill, Kelce, Conley, and Hunt as weapons for Mahomes. This trade may kill all ability to get Clowney, at least for us. No way Beane trades anything close to this for Clowney and also pays him. If Houston would entertain a swap of firsts, sure, I can see Beane being at the table. But not trading away a first all together and a 2nd and future picks. NO WAY. wondering the same thing..... IMO ford+1st rounder this year and 2nd rounder next year is significantly more valuable than Clark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufridr101 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Beano probably would have offered 40 and maybe next years second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Primarily from character concerns and the DV stuff IIRC he was a borderline 1st rounder imo, not a surefire guy. I was surprised he didn’t go lower than the 2nd with the off field. His college career was good but not great. Jmo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Couple of things: Thank god Bills didnt make this trade. Thats a lot of draft capital and money, and with a pretty good defense already, this was WAY too much for us to pay. WTF are the Chiefs doing? They just traded a first round pick, next years 2nd (main comp they got from Dee was a 2nd this year) and a swap of thirds for Frank Clark and will pay him MORE money than they would have payed Ford. In what world does this make sense for the Chiefs? Clark > Ford, but the difference is NOT this dramatic. This is as puzzling as giving Sammy $16M last year when they already had Hill, Kelce, Conley, and Hunt as weapons for Mahomes. This trade may kill all ability to get Clowney, at least for us. No way Beane trades anything close to this for Clowney and also pays him. If Houston would entertain a swap of firsts, sure, I can see Beane being at the table. But not trading away a first all together and a 2nd and future picks. NO WAY. While I agree with you, I would’ve kept Ford as well, the word is that the chiefs don’t believe Ford can play 4-3 end while Clark is one of the best in the league. If that’s really the case, I guess I understand this a bit more than my initial reaction. They know More about Fords ability than we do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufridr101 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Maybe this says more about tereek hill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Codyny13 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Surprised. Really thought they would have stayed away with the previous history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: wondering the same thing..... IMO ford+1st rounder this year and 2nd rounder next year is significantly more valuable than Clark. Comes down to what they want. If Houston wants to move up that would bring Buffalo into it. Swap 1s next year 2? Could be the ticket. Seattle needed more picks. Houston has a full set of picks but may want to move up for a better Oline prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, MJS said: Nobody, but then they also can develop their own draft picks and not have to pay him a mega deal for 4-5 more years. 10 minutes ago, MJS said: And by the way, Clark was a 2nd round draft pick. You can find talented guys in the late first or even in round 2 or later. I understand your POV on this completely. But KC is on the cusp of competeting for a championship. They're striking while the iron is hot and their franchise QB is on a rookie contract. They don't have the time to take a chance on a diamond in the rough in the later rounds. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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