OT Ty Nsekhe (Redskins) to the Bills

[RocCityRoller]

31 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think he has a chance to start at RT. I'm sorry but I am not moving my hand picked, 24 year old left tackle to another position for a 33 year old journeyman, one year wonder. It makes zero sense. I'm not hating on Nsehke, I'm simply stating that Dion Dawkins need to stay at left tackle until he proves that he can't do it. He's struggled a bit, but moving him off the position at this point makes no sense, especially for an older player who might just be here for a year or two. Development is important and I am confident Dion will be better. 

 

Dawkins needs a solid LG next to him. With Incognito next to him he looked fine, last year he looked lost.

 

Mongo/ Long/ Teller should help and a very good veteran C should call out better protections to the line. Nsehke is a solid insurance policy at either OT position and the draft is still available. I keep seeing Jonah Williams falling to 9. JW is a complete McBeane type of guy. With D Williams not being highly pursued, I am fine drafting a RT at #9 for a young franchise QB. If Nsehke has to start for a year and wait till 2020 for RT, fine. If he is a valuable swing tackle even better.

 

Depth and options. Good signing for only 7.7 guaranteed.

[GimmeSomeProcess]

4 hours ago, papazoid said:

I see Ty playing LT and moving Dawkins to RT

Yep and then draft a LT tackle in the 3rd or 4th to develop to replace him in a year or two

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Dawkins needs a solid LG next to him. With Incognito next to him he looked fine, last year he looked lost.

 

Mongo/ Long/ Teller should help and a very good veteran C should call out better protections to the line. Nsehke is a solid insurance policy at either OT position and the draft is still available. I keep seeing Jonah Williams falling to 9. JW is a complete McBeane type of guy. With D Williams not being highly pursued, I am fine drafting a RT at #9 for a young franchise QB. If Nsehke has to start for a year and wait till 2020 for RT, fine. If he is a valuable swing tackle even better.

 

Depth and options. Good signing for only 7.7 guaranteed.

 

I'm not a big OT-at-9 guy, but if that's the direction they go, I really hope it's Taylor or Dilliard. 

 

I like Jonah, but to me he's a center that can probably be a fine guard and an emergency option at OT.

 

 I feel the same way about Risner FWIW

[RocCityRoller]

28 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I'm not a big OT-at-9 guy, but if that's the direction they go, I really hope it's Taylor or Dilliard. 

 

I like Jonah, but to me he's a center that can probably be a fine guard and an emergency option at OT.

 

 I feel the same way about Risner FWIW

Serious question, what are the weaknesses in Jonah Williams game?

 

He is rated 1-3 in top OT grades.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think he has a chance to start at RT. I'm sorry but I am not moving my hand picked, 24 year old left tackle to another position for a 33 year old journeyman, one year wonder. It makes zero sense. I'm not hating on Nsehke, I'm simply stating that Dion Dawkins need to stay at left tackle until he proves that he can't do it. He's struggled a bit, but moving him off the position at this point makes no sense, especially for an older player who might just be here for a year or two. Development is important and I am confident Dion will be better. 

 

 

A reason would be if you think Dawkins can become a superstar guard and Nsekhe a better pass protector at LT.

 

Job #1 is to make the young QB better.    It's probably jobs #1-10 to be honest.

 

And if you are going to move Dawkins...........now is the time.........after an admittedly disappointing season that followed an offseason where he knows he didn't put in the work.

 

If I had to make a prediction Dawkins and the Bills will be headed for a divorce come contract time anyway if he stays at LT.............he's never going to be anything more than an average LT IMO and they aren't going to want to pay him $20M per year to do that and he will get close to that on the open market...........he is a sweet-spot candidate to make it to FA based on his profile so far, IMO.

[MrEpsYtown]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

A reason would be if you think Dawkins can become a superstar guard and Nsekhe a better pass protector at LT.

 

Job #1 is to make the young QB better.    It's probably jobs #1-10 to be honest.

 

And if you are going to move Dawkins...........now is the time.........after an admittedly disappointing season that followed an offseason where he knows he didn't put in the work.

 

If I had to make a prediction Dawkins and the Bills will be headed for a divorce come contract time anyway if he stays at LT.............he's never going to be anything more than an average LT IMO and they aren't going to want to pay him $20M per year to do that and he will get close to that on the open market...........he is a sweet-spot candidate to make it to FA based on his profile so far, IMO.

 

I hear you and great points. For me though, I wouldn't move him until I was absolutely sure he could not be an excellent tackle, and I'm not there yet. Up and down play with an online coach in Castillo who meshes great with some and not with others. I still think Dion has the athleticism and upside to be a top 10-15 left tackle and moving him in to guard would be my ultimate fallback. He admittedly got a little lazy. While that annoys me, I respect him for being honest instead of making excuses or blaming someone else. I think we should draft a guy like a Max Sharping to develop and to push him. Also I feel like having Nsehke around will be a boost to the o-line room, because that is a guy who has had to work his butt of just to latch on with an NFL team and his hard work has finally paid off in some gauatanteed money. He took nothing for granted. Morse is also a leader and big time worker. Let's see what Dion does this year and go from there. 

[thebandit27]

7 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

Serious question, what are the weaknesses in Jonah Williams game?

 

He is rated 1-3 in top OT grades.

 

It's not so much weaknesses in his game at OT as it is where I think he's best suited to play.

 

He looks much more comfortable moving down the LOS than away from it, his reaction time is terrific, and he can work his way through traffic and hit targets. To me, those traits, combined with his excellent play recognition, scream center.

 

People will tell you that he's not OT material because he lacks length and contact balance on the EDGE, but I think that's overstated. It's just that OT isnt his best position. He can likely be a fine RT, but I'm not looking for "fine" or a RT in the first round.

[SmokinES3]

On 3/12/2019 at 4:46 PM, Reed83HOF said:

I can't argue with it. I saw a few tweets, we can pretty much walk away from all of our FA signings next year with no cap hit. 

It was masterful work by Beene. I haven't been his biggest cheerleader but I'm impressed.

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[Big Gun]

Really interested to see this guy in action.

[BADOLBILZ]

9 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I hear you and great points. For me though, I wouldn't move him until I was absolutely sure he could not be an excellent tackle, and I'm not there yet. Up and down play with an online coach in Castillo who meshes great with some and not with others. I still think Dion has the athleticism and upside to be a top 10-15 left tackle and moving him in to guard would be my ultimate fallback. He admittedly got a little lazy. While that annoys me, I respect him for being honest instead of making excuses or blaming someone else. I think we should draft a guy like a Max Sharping to develop and to push him. Also I feel like having Nsehke around will be a boost to the o-line room, because that is a guy who has had to work his butt of just to latch on with an NFL team and his hard work has finally paid off in some gauatanteed money. He took nothing for granted. Morse is also a leader and big time worker. Let's see what Dion does this year and go from there. 

 

 

Yeah it really depends on your trust of Dawkins ability.

 

As for being a top 10-15........I think his ceiling is middle of the league, which isn't that far off......well outside of the elite.........and those are the guys that end up as the top available LT in a UFA market.

 

The problem with just re-installing him at LT and seeing what he does this year is that with even modest improvement from Dion that sets you up for a situation where he won't move going into his walk year.

 

Now is the time if they are going to do it.

 

I do hope, as you do, that they do draft a LT prospect in the first 4 rounds though because I can see them keeping Dawkins at LT and needing to have a replacement in-house after the 2020 season.

 

Maybe even after the 2019 season if the situation I project above unfolds.    Depending on the depth of the tackle market in the 2020 draft the Bills might be able to trade Dawkins for quality if they have a replacement in-house and foresee not being able to agree with he and his agent on their value.

[buffaloboyinATL]

I heard someone on Cowherd today (did not hear who it was) that said this was one of the best pick-ups so far in free agency.  He said Nsekhe will be a difference maker on our line from day one. I was excited to hear this.

 

(edit: it was Warren Sharp)

Edited March 15, 2019 by buffaloboyinATL

[njbuff]

How do you pronounce his name?

 

Otherwise, I think this signing was to put him at LT and move Dawkins over to RT, given nothing else is done at the T position. 

[freddyjj]

13 minutes ago, njbuff said:

How do you pronounce his name?

 

Otherwise, I think this signing was to put him at LT and move Dawkins over to RT, given nothing else is done at the T position. 

N sek ee

[njbuff]

4 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

N sek ee

 

thanks

[JerseyBills]

This dude is the real deal . Performed at a high level at Right and LT. Can give Dawkins a run for his money.

[daz28]

9 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

This dude is the real deal . Performed at a high level at Right and LT. Can give Dawkins a run for his money.

This is it exactly.  We got versatile guys for a reason.  New asst. line coach to evaluate.  The only thing is the first time you're going to see them standing next to each other, one's going to look like a LG, and the other is going to look like a LT.  Let's hope they play next to each other well.  If they do, the whole left side is strong as you could hope.  Right side will once again become the problem.

[Ol Dirty B]

19 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I hear you and great points. For me though, I wouldn't move him until I was absolutely sure he could not be an excellent tackle, and I'm not there yet. Up and down play with an online coach in Castillo who meshes great with some and not with others. I still think Dion has the athleticism and upside to be a top 10-15 left tackle and moving him in to guard would be my ultimate fallback. He admittedly got a little lazy. While that annoys me, I respect him for being honest instead of making excuses or blaming someone else. I think we should draft a guy like a Max Sharping to develop and to push him. Also I feel like having Nsehke around will be a boost to the o-line room, because that is a guy who has had to work his butt of just to latch on with an NFL team and his hard work has finally paid off in some gauatanteed money. He took nothing for granted. Morse is also a leader and big time worker. Let's see what Dion does this year and go from there. 

 

If they moved him to guard, what a waste and misjudgment it was in thinking he'd be better than Cordy.

[Inigo Montoya]

 

We have a new O-line coach who is ready to go to work and make a name for himself.  A proven vet leader in Morse who can keep the guys in check and two new hungry linemen in Nsekhe and Feliciano who are finally getting their chance after being in the shadows for years.  Then there is Long who had a lot of success in Washington and then got hurt and knows he is probably on his last chance.  Dawkins is now on notice and realizes he needs to produce or he will be gone just like the rest of the O-linemen from last season.  I expect a lot of energy and determination out of this new group. I think it is a huge upgrade over last year's line and Beane has done a great job of getting them here.

 

Bobby Jackson has no loyalty or prejudices towards anyone on the roster.  There should be an open competition for every guard and tackle spot and I expect Nsekhe to be our starting left tackle in the season opener.

 

Edited March 15, 2019 by Inigo Montoya

[dezertbill]

I really like this signing.  But it still doesn't keep the Bills from drafting OL in first round.

 

He's 33, and only signed for 2 years.  So is Feliciano, who is a fringe starter.  We need studs.  Williams fits the Bill.

[JM57]

4 hours ago, dezertbill said:

I really like this signing.  But it still doesn't keep the Bills from drafting OL in first round.

 

He's 33, and only signed for 2 years.  So is Feliciano, who is a fringe starter.  We need studs.  Williams fits the Bill.

Had a really good post typed up and hit the back button on my phone browser and wiped it away so I'm gonna just give a quick and easy summary of what I was saying...

 

We want these guys to be top flight backups on this team. They seem to have shown that's what they are on their previous teams, it's expecting a lot of them to be GOOD starters. Just because they're better than Mills and Ducasse doesn't mean this team should be patting themselves on the back and calling it a day if they're serious about keeping Allen protected

Edited March 15, 2019 by JM57

[Doc]

6 hours ago, dezertbill said:

I really like this signing.  But it still doesn't keep the Bills from drafting OL in first round.

 

He's 33, and only signed for 2 years.  So is Feliciano, who is a fringe starter.  We need studs.  Williams fits the Bill.

 

There are several ways the Bills can go but I  wouldn’t draft Williams at ninth overall. He looks like a guard in the NFL.  And I still think that they believe Dawkins can be a left tackle so I would be surprised if they went offensive line in the first round. 

[947]

45 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

There are several ways the Bills can go but I  wouldn’t draft Williams at ninth overall. He looks like a guard in the NFL.  And I still think that they believe Dawkins can be a left tackle so I would be surprised if they went offensive line in the first round. 

I totally agree that Jonah Williams is a Guard, and I doubt we spend #9 on a guy we need to project at another position. If we go OL at 9, it'll be Jawaan Taylor or Dillard. Dawkins is a very average LT, but could be a top-5 OG. I doubt they move him there, but I'd understand if they did.

[Rufridr101]

This guy needs Turkey legs not chicken wings 

[MAJBobby]

image: http://walterfootball.com/images/fball/billsb_logo.gif

 Bills sign OT Ty Nsekhe (2 years, $14.5 million; $7.7 million guaranteed): B Grade 
Ty Nsekhe has done a good job of filling in for Trent Williams or Morgan Moses when needed in recent years, so it's nice to see him get a chance to start. It's unclear if Nsekhe can handle a full-time role, but the Bills aren't taking much of a risk by giving him just $7.7 million guaranteed. 

Either way, Nsekhe will be an upgrade over the anemic Jordan Mills, so this is a solid signing. The only downside with Nsekhe, aside from his lack of full-time starting experience, is that he turns 34 in October, so he could be in for some regression. Still, he's worth the minimal risk, so this signing should be in the B+/B range. 


Read more: http://walterfootball.com/freeagentsigninggrades.php#ixzz5iFu9dynH

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[billspro]

I think this might end up being our best signing. It would not surprise me if he gave us 3 years of top ten LT play. 

 

Heres an article on his all 22 film:

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2019/3/15/18266456/all-22-analysis-buffalo-bills-free-agent-addition-lineman-ty-nsekhe-washington-football-team

Edited March 15, 2019 by billspro

[Nick the Greek]

On 3/13/2019 at 1:07 PM, JM57 said:

Cannot believe the amount of hype this dude is getting here. 

Maybe it’s because of stuff like this. Check it out.

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2019/3/15/18266456/all-22-analysis-buffalo-bills-free-agent-addition-lineman-ty-nsekhe-washington-football-team

[LABILLBACKER]

I have now read from several sites that Ty Nsekhe was our biggest haul. They graded him out as an A or A+ Swing Tackle. And I could see Ty at LT and move Dawkins to LG. Draft Jonah Williams as RT. Long at RG. That would be an amazing Oline. Hats off to BB so far....

[JM57]

1 hour ago, Idandria said:

Maybe it’s because of stuff like this. Check it out.

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2019/3/15/18266456/all-22-analysis-buffalo-bills-free-agent-addition-lineman-ty-nsekhe-washington-football-team

I've seen all of it. It doesn't mean I understand the hype. I've seen people locking him in to start at left tackle. I've seen people thinking the Bills will get "top ten" level play out of him. 

 

There are some incredibly high hopes here for a guy who has shown to be a top tier backup and spot starter. It's a HUGE leap from "best backup" to "good starter."

[DJB]

On One Bills live right now

[hemma]

He’s got the Barry White voice going.

 

Definitely happy to be here.

[first_and_ten]

1 hour ago, JM57 said:

I've seen all of it. It doesn't mean I understand the hype. I've seen people locking him in to start at left tackle. I've seen people thinking the Bills will get "top ten" level play out of him. 

 

There are some incredibly high hopes here for a guy who has shown to be a top tier backup and spot starter. It's a HUGE leap from "best backup" to "good starter."

 

I agree. Hold Your horses!!

[buffaloboyinATL]

Hopefully  Nsekhe is to tackles what Fred Jackson was to RB’s. 

[junior]

On 3/15/2019 at 6:21 AM, JM57 said:

Had a really good post typed up and hit the back button on my phone browser and wiped it away so I'm gonna just give a quick and easy summary of what I was saying...

 

We want these guys to be top flight backups on this team. They seem to have shown that's what they are on their previous teams, it's expecting a lot of them to be GOOD starters. Just because they're better than Mills and Ducasse doesn't mean this team should be patting themselves on the back and calling it a day if they're serious about keeping Allen protected

 

 

I wonder if they want top-flight backups because they plan on taking riskier, 'higher ceiling/lower floor' type OL in the draft. 

 

If over the next two years the above drafted players get close to their ceiling, then they're high-quality starters. If they don't come close, the Bills have serviceable players to fill in in the meantime, and can draft/sign bluechip guys in 2 years.

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, junior12thman92 said:

 

 

I wonder if they want top-flight backups because they plan on taking riskier, 'higher ceiling/lower floor' type OL in the draft. 

 

If over the next two years the above drafted players get close to their ceiling, then they're high-quality starters. If they don't come close, the Bills have serviceable players to fill in in the meantime, and can draft/sign bluechip guys in 2 years.

Thoughtful post !

i want to say i am going to cheer for this Kid. His background story is enough, if his demeanor were not : )
 

love The Process

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

12 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Thoughtful post !

i want to say i am going to cheer for this Kid. His background story is enough, if his demeanor were not : )
 

love The Process

...did he sign bud?...thought he was the lone wolf.............

[SWATeam]

I am all on board this hype train.  This guy wasn't on my radar, but wow, just went over some all 22 of him and I'm really impressed.

 

Watched the Falcons game.  He started at LT and I didn't see him get beat once.  They must have had an injury or something as he played most of the 2nd half at left guard- equally effective.  Stud.

 

This guy is a sure fire starter.  What a value signing.

[Rocky Landing]

I don't know if this has been discussed in this thread already, but I wonder if Beane/McD are thinking about moving Dawkings to LG, and Nsekhe at LT? 

[Stank_Nasty]

Ty Nsekhe, OT, Buffalo Bills

The deal: Two years, $14.5 million, $7.7 million guaranteed

Why it's underrated: You really have to dig deep for why we love Nsekhe, seeing as he has never played more than 403 snaps in a single season. When you take into consideration his performance over his last three seasons in Washington -- where he played just 1,093 snaps -- you get one of the better tackles in the NFL. Over that span, Nsekhe has an overall PFF grade of 71.6 and has been good in both pass protection and in the run game.

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/26263726/picking-most-underrated-overrated-2019-nfl-free-agent-signings

 

Top 5 most underrated signings.... 2 bills cracked the list

[GimmeSomeProcess]

Really hoping this is an Andrew Whitworth type of deal. Grant it, Whitworth was an established player when he signed with the rams but Ty is the same age when he signed. AW is a stall worth in that offense