Buffalo03 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Replace Charles Clay with Charles Clay. Makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 hours ago, I'm Spartacus said: Love to see Jessie James and Wyatt Earp as bookend tight ends! You can have a Jesse James and Wyatt....Teller instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLBighits Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 hours ago, HappyDays said: Makes sense as a stopgap. Joe Marino talked about him on the locked on Bills podcast the other day and said he's not particularly athletic, but he's reliable and would definitely be an improvement. I expect us to draft a TE on day 1 or 2 regardless. Yes totally agree as there's some good one's in this draft! Noah Fant I have him #1 overall but needs work on his run blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: And a PED suspension so he has an “in” with McBeane, but why isn’t baltimore going to keep him? They drafted 2 last year, 1st and 3rd rnds. Andrews is good and all three of their remaining tes are on rookie deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 I really wish we would actually go out and try and get the best TE in the draft. Even if it means in round1. The Bills just never have a truly excellent TE and this guy isn’t anywhere near that. He’s okay. Just once I wish the Bills had an elite playmaker at TE and didn’t settle for just a C+-B player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 There aren't "elite" TEs in this class though by all accounts. There are 3 who are purported to be quite good in Hockenson, Fant and Smith, but no one is calling them the next Gronk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 I don’t see him moving the needle either way. his biggest accomplishment has been being occasionally mistaken for Heath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: This fills a need and he's not a bad starter, forget the stopgap he would be our TE1 Not so sure about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: You can have a Jesse James and Wyatt....Teller instead. Zomg! I was all like “where’s he going to go with this?” Then BLAMMO! You’re one spicy little meatball aren’t you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: There aren't "elite" TEs in this class though by all accounts. There are 3 who are purported to be quite good in Hockenson, Fant and Smith, but no one is calling them the next Gronk. Yet many want us to overpay for one in free agency and draft one way too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: There aren't "elite" TEs in this class though by all accounts. There are 3 who are purported to be quite good in Hockenson, Fant and Smith, but no one is calling them the next Gronk. Nobody called Gronk the next Gronk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBorBust2018 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Jesse James is clearly a back up tight end. The guy looks like he has the 40 time of an offensive lineman. I live in Pittsburgh and watch the Steelers games every week while streaming the bills. Jesse James was given every opportunity to beat out Vance Mcdonald and couldn’t even do that. Guy is not athletic whatsoever. He is a poor mans scott chandler. I would rather have Max Williams from Baltimore as a back up. Jesse James is awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, White Linen said: Yet many want us to overpay for one in free agency and draft one way too high. Are you referring to the reported interest in James for an unspecified amount or to someone else? 2 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Nobody called Gronk the next Gronk. Your point being we just ignore more important positions and draft one of them in the event that one of them turns out to be a HOF player? That could apply to any decent player at any position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 hours ago, CommonCents said: I’d be fine with that. TE is overvalued, it’s a complimentary piece in today’s game. You can run rub routes and check down to slot WRs all day long if that’s what you like doing. NE, PHI, and KC are three of the league's best offense. Each of them have an elite pass catching TE. The NFL is all about creating personnel mismatches and TE is not "overvalued." In fact, I'd say they're undervalued given how a good one forces a defense to cover them. 4 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: There aren't "elite" TEs in this class though by all accounts. There are 3 who are purported to be quite good in Hockenson, Fant and Smith, but no one is calling them the next Gronk. I'm not sure how you can predict future careers of 21-22 year old athletes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said: Are you referring to the reported interest in James for an unspecified amount or to someone else? Your point being we just ignore more important positions and draft one of them in the event that one of them turns out to be a HOF player? That could apply to any decent player at any position. The real pros are the team scouts and they keep their mouths shut. Remember Glenn was never going to be anything more than a guard according to the GM that then drafted him to play LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BillsVet said: I'm not sure how you can predict future careers of 21-22 year old athletes. The draft is a crapshoot. The best you can do is to scout as best you can and minimize risk when making a pick. If the general consensus is that a player is quite good but not elite, then it's up to the FO to make the call on whether to take a chance on a player, but we as fans don't have that information and I don't see it being logical to push a player's value higher than what pros think simply because we want someone at that position. I don't want to keep talking about drafting players in a thread about James though. You can DM me if you want to discuss it and I'd be happy to respond. I like James and would like him on the team if we don't grossly overpay him. Edited February 21, 2019 by ndirish1978 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I agree here too. He was special in college. I wanted him out of college, and watching him hurdle people at his size reinforced that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 36 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Replace Charles Clay with Charles Clay. Makes sense James has played in 16/16 games each of the last 3 seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Pegs has probably been dying to get a Nittany Lion on this roster Not a fan if this goes down, too many potential character issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 This guy died in 1882 and his 40 time sucks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 20 minutes ago, BillsVet said: NE, PHI, and KC are three of the league's best offense. Each of them have an elite pass catching TE. The NFL is all about creating personnel mismatches and TE is not "overvalued." In fact, I'd say they're undervalued given how a good one forces a defense to cover them. I'm not sure how you can predict future careers of 21-22 year old athletes. Simply not true. Here is a stat from 2016 until the middle of 2017 when the article was written...the Pats went 11-0 without Gronk. With Gronk they averaged two less points per game, 25 less total yards, 20 less passing yards. That’s a fair sample size. TEs don’t matter if you know what you’re doing out there. This is big 12 football gone wild and it’s only going to get worse if you aren’t into pinball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 3 hours ago, BuffAlone said: At 25 years old, Im not sure he'd be a stopgap. I'm guessing a nice 4 yr deal and he becomes our starter whilst mentoring a draft pick pick as well. As you said, I still see us drafting a good TE, maybe just not as high as day one or two, unless the value can't be denied. Otherwise, with JJ and Croom on the roster, we could probably hold of till 4th rd and snag somebody. Just a thought.... I think you are right on point. JJ is a step up from what we had and he would buy the team some time to develop a young player. If a younger player eventually takes over the starting job, he would be a very good number two as long as Beane didn't over pay him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) He'd be a good #2 TE. He has a ways to go before he can be considered a starter. Edited February 22, 2019 by GreggTX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 He looks really slow to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 33 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Are you referring to the reported interest in James for an unspecified amount or to someone else? I'm referring to the amount of fans that want us to do both. You generally overpay in free agency (every team). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: He's only 24 and is a solid TE. Hope we get him. Not sure how Jax will be able to afford him, their cap situation isn't good. One of our posters, @MrEpsYtown mentioned the possibility of James becoming a Buffalo Bill a couple of months ago. Because most posters here are incredibly paranoid about getting near the cap and in reality it’s not typically as crippling as they think. more importantly though... do you keep a spreadsheet of predictions or something?!? Why would you ever remember that?!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 52 minutes ago, Turk71 said: They drafted 2 last year, 1st and 3rd rnds. Andrews is good and all three of their remaining tes are on rookie deals. Maxx Williams was a 2nd-round pick. If he was any good, the Ravens wouldn't have burned a 1 & a 3 last year on other TEs. If you want to sign him as a cheap backup, OK I guess, but I think Nick Boyle has looked better, at least with Flacco (both Delaware grads & all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 35 minutes ago, BillsVet said: NE, PHI, and KC are three of the league's best offense. Each of them have an elite pass catching TE. The NFL is all about creating personnel mismatches and TE is not "overvalued." In fact, I'd say they're undervalued given how a good one forces a defense to cover them. I'm not sure how you can predict future careers of 21-22 year old athletes. I’d argue all those tight ends would be handled easily by a good CB1, but a tight end rarely deserves that attention compared to a WR so they get the 3-5th best pass defender on them. If you get a 10m a year WR as the 4th option you’ll probably do pretty darn well matching up to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 15 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Simply not true. Here is a stat from 2016 until the middle of 2017 when the article was written...the Pats went 11-0 without Gronk. With Gronk they averaged two less points per game, 25 less total yards, 20 less passing yards. That’s a fair sample size. TEs don’t matter if you know what you’re doing out there. This is big 12 football gone wild and it’s only going to get worse if you aren’t into pinball. To quote a well-known man, "there's lies, damn lies, and statistics." That sums it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Just now, NoSaint said: Because most posters here are incredibly paranoid about getting near the cap and in reality it’s not typically as crippling as they think. more importantly though... do you keep a spreadsheet of predictions or something?!? Why would you ever remember that?!? The only reason I remember that is because he mentioned it during a thread for a prime time game Pitt was playing this past season. I asked him if this was even possible, and he said it was since Jesse James will be a FA and Pitt is committed to Vance McDonald. And no, I don't keep records of predictions. What I am surprised about is the number of posters who are down on James, even seeming someone calling him a poor man's Scott Chandler. Really? Chandler had problems catching the ball, staying healthy, all while being even less athletic than James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, BillsVet said: To quote a well-known man, "there's lies, damn lies, and statistics." That sums it up. ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said: The only reason I remember that is because he mentioned it during a thread for a prime time game Pitt was playing this past season. I asked him if this was even possible, and he said it was since Jesse James will be a FA and Pitt is committed to Vance McDonald. And no, I don't keep records of predictions. What I am surprised about is the number of posters who are down on James, even seeming someone calling him a poor man's Scott Chandler. Really? Chandler had problems catching the ball, staying healthy, all while being even less athletic than James. James 40: 4.83 Chandler 4.78 James 20 yard shuttle- 4.5 chandler 4.32 similar catch rates with chandler having a lesser qb and fewer weapons around him. Chandler did miss 3 games as a bill... Im not sure they are that wrong, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 15 minutes ago, NoSaint said: I’d argue all those tight ends would be handled easily by a good CB1, but a tight end rarely deserves that attention compared to a WR so they get the 3-5th best pass defender on them. If you get a 10m a year WR as the 4th option you’ll probably do pretty darn well matching up to This is the sort of logic which makes TBD all the more interesting during the off-season. ? Well done sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 https://mobile.twitter.com/tylereifert/status/1098708140172947458 How about taking a chance on this guy,...if healthy of course. If I remember he was pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: The only reason I remember that is because he mentioned it during a thread for a prime time game Pitt was playing this past season. I asked him if this was even possible, and he said it was since Jesse James will be a FA and Pitt is committed to Vance McDonald. And no, I don't keep records of predictions. What I am surprised about is the number of posters who are down on James, even seeming someone calling him a poor man's Scott Chandler. Really? Chandler had problems catching the ball, staying healthy, all while being even less athletic than James. I liked Chandler, but I don't miss the way he'd stay upright, sometimes fighting for extra yards, sometimes the defense holding him up and punching at the ball. Seemed like a fumble waiting to happen. He was a nice player and a high quality individual, but this always bothered me. As to James, I think what most fans feel is that we'd be OK with the signing but don't view him as a talent worthy of an overpay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, NoSaint said: James 40: 4.83 Chandler 4.78 James 20 yard shuttle- 4.5 chandler 4.32 similar catch rates with chandler having a lesser qb and fewer weapons around him. Chandler did miss 3 games as a bill... Im not sure they are that wrong, no? Hmmm...what you mention here doesn't put James in an exceptional light. Funny, if Chandler was that good, why didn't he last past the 2015 season with NE? Much better QB, coaching, and surrounding cast. Yet his numbers were not really any better than in Buffalo. Also, Chandler had four fumbles in his career, James has zero. Perhaps the posters who state that James is a #2 TE and that we should temper our expectations are correct. We'll need to draft a #1 TE, though I question if it is important enough to do this year. Rather spend the capital on a DT, edge, OL, WR, and RB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said: I liked Chandler, but I don't miss the way he'd stay upright, sometimes fighting for extra yards, sometimes the defense holding him up and punching at the ball. Seemed like a fumble waiting to happen. He was a nice player and a high quality individual, but this always bothered me. As to James, I think what most fans feel is that we'd be OK with the signing but don't view him as a talent worthy of an overpay. Chandler had four fumbles; I thought I remember ball security as somewhat of an issue with him. Regarding the bolded part, I'm starting to lean that way. I definitely don't think James is a poor man's Chandler, but rather is an upgrade. TE2 is probably right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 4 hours ago, dwight in philly said: Would like it too.. hope he doesnt "Walk Away " James Gang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 4 hours ago, gjv001 said: I don't see James as an improvement over Croom or Thomas. well....i guess it can be said he's already an improvement over thomas, but i see james as a reliable nick with a bad attitude....yep sign... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 3 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: Could not agree more. I'm not opposed but this signing would not bring a bulge to my britches. I understand it's a position of need but I would also take Maxx Williams over James. We definitely need to grab one of the top 3 guys in the draft. Any combo of Williams/ Hock, Fant or Smith would solve our TE problem for many seasons. Maxx Williams has never done anything in the NFL . JJ has been a much better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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