BillyWhiteShows Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 This is something my good friend and I talked about this. Do you think the Bills would have won Super Bowl 27 if Frank Reich started the game? After the big comeback game, the Bills were on a roll. They scored a huge victory on the road against a Pittsburgh team who was favored to win. The Bills ended up winning handedly 24-3 and were hot! They seemed to be rolling with Reich as QB. Also the Bills teams seemed to rally around Reich whenever he started. Reich never was the most physically gifted QB, but he was smart and it just seemed like the team played harder when he was in the lineup. The offense seemed to be much more focused and determined. As for Kelly, he wasn’t the same when he returned against Miami in the AFC Championship game. The Bills got the victory, but that was largely due to a good rushing day and a strong defensive performance. Most of Kelly’s yards came off screen passes, and he struggled in the redzone. Then came Super Bowl 27....arguably one of Kelly’s worst performances as starter. He ended up getting knocked out of the game and turned the ball several times. Yes, Reich did come in the game when Kelly was hurt but by then it was too late. I’m not saying that starting Reich guarantees a win by any means. But if he starts and put more points on the board early (which Kelly failed to do), we could see a different Super Bowl. What does everyone think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 No. Loved Frank but we did not have the D to compete in that game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said: This is something my good friend and I talked about this. Do you think the Bills would have won Super Bowl 27 if Frank Reich started the game? After the big comeback game, the Bills were on a roll. They scored a huge victory on the road against a Pittsburgh team who was favored to win. The Bills ended up winning handedly 24-3 and were hot! They seemed to be rolling with Reich as QB. Also the Bills teams seemed to rally around Reich whenever he started. Reich never was the most physically gifted QB, but he was smart and it just seemed like the team played harder when he was in the lineup. The offense seemed to be much more focused and determined. As for Kelly, he wasn’t the same when he returned against Miami in the AFC Championship game. The Bills got the victory, but that was largely due to a good rushing day and a strong defensive performance. Most of Kelly’s yards came off screen passes, and he struggled in the redzone. Then came Super Bowl 27....arguably one of Kelly’s worst performances as starter. He ended up getting knocked out of the game and turned the ball several times. Yes, Reich did come in the game when Kelly was hurt but by then it was too late. I’m not saying that starting Reich guarantees a win by any means. But if he starts and put more points on the board early (which Kelly failed to do), we could see a different Super Bowl. What does everyone think? I think yikes. He wasn't the best qb on the team. Jimbo was. Maybe he was rusty, but it was the right choice Edited January 31, 2019 by BuffAlone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloButt Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Unfortunately no, we still would have lost. Our Defense couldn't stop them! May have been a closer game with less turnovers but we still would have lost. Dallas had just beaten one of the best Niners teams on the road and we were overmatched once the game settled down in the 2nd qtr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 People fondly remember Frank Reich but he wasn't anywhere near the talent that Jim Kelly was.......and as is often the case with limited backups........more exposure was not good. Nobody remembers Reich having to take over for an injured Kelly late in 1994 and just playing AWFUL down the stretch and costing the Bills a return to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 That game was over when the refs let Ken Norton give Kenny Davis a full facial on 4th and goal from the 1. Went straight downhill after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 we had no chance in that game. period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Is this a serious question? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfanatic8989 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) Zero chance. The Bills were a big fish in a small pond (AFC). Dallas was a shark in a pond with other sharks (NFC). Look at the recent SB winners (NE, Denver, & Philly). Dallas would anihalate all of them. I mean dismember them. They were an unstoppable juggernaut. Joe Montana could've been the starter that day for the Bills. It wouldn't of mattered. The Super Bowl was decided in the NFCCG. Edited January 31, 2019 by Billsfanatic8989 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 I've tossed that idea around many times. I think we would've easily beaten Miami in the AFCCG but we would've still lost to Dallas, only not as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 32 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: I think yikes. He wasn't the best qb on the team. Jimbo was. Maybe he was rusty, but it was the right choice It begs the question though - is Reich at 100% better than Kelly at 70%? I would have to say yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 No. As much as I love Marv, he didnt have those teams ready for any of those games. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said: Zero chance. The Bills were a big fish in a small pond (AFC). Dallas was a shark in a pond with other sharks (NFC). Look at the recent SB winners (NE, Denver, & Philly). Dallas would anihalate all of them. I mean dismember them. They were an unstoppable juggernaut. Joe Montana could've been the starter that day for the Bills. It wouldn't of mattered. The Super Bowl was decided in the NFCCG. Jimmy Johnson did put together an awesome roster. I do agree it’s a different game if Reich is starter but that it would be an uphill battle to win. Then again, who knows. 29 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: That game was over when the refs let Ken Norton give Kenny Davis a full facial on 4th and goal from the 1. Went straight downhill after that. Perhaps, if Reich is QB in that game he gets the Bills in the endzone before 4th-and-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Kelly played the entire second half with a concussion He couldn't remember he was supposed to meet his family after the game.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael1962 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 https://cloudtransit.wordpress.com/2012/11/25/what-if-eleanor-roosevelt-could-fly/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, Wacka said: Kelly played the entire second half with a concussion He couldn't remember he was supposed to meet his family after the game.. What are you thinking? Kelly went out with around 7 minutes left in the 2nd quarter & never played again in the game. As far as the OP's question. Reich entered the game with the score 15-7 & the drive concluded with A FG to make it 15-10. With the score ending up 52-17, that means the Cowboys outscored the Bills 35-10 AFTER Reich came in, so the answer is to his ? is NO (or more emphatic if there were no censors) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said: What are you thinking? Kelly went out with around 7 minutes left in the 2nd quarter & never played again in the game. As far as the OP's question. Reich entered the game with the score 15-7 & the drive concluded with A FG to make it 15-10. With the score ending up 52-17, that means the Cowboys outscored the Bills 35-10 AFTER Reich came in, so the answer is to his ? is NO (or more emphatic if there were no censors) Sorry, wrong Super Bowl. That was SB 26 in Minneapolis where he had the concussion vs Washington. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 51 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: People fondly remember Frank Reich but he wasn't anywhere near the talent that Jim Kelly was.......and as is often the case with limited backups........more exposure was not good. Nobody remembers Reich having to take over for an injured Kelly late in 1994 and just playing AWFUL down the stretch and costing the Bills a return to the playoffs. Sad but true. 1994 is right up there with 2003 with me for most annoying season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, BillyWhiteShows said: Perhaps, if Reich is QB in that game he gets the Bills in the endzone before 4th-and-1 Perhaps, if the Queen had balls, she'd be King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 I guess the world will never know... Next question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, BillyWhiteShows said: It begs the question though - is Reich at 100% better than Kelly at 70%? I would have to say yes. Hell no. Jimbo had an attitude, drank too much, womanizer, but was by far the superior QB. This is not even a question is it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said: This is something my good friend and I talked about this. Do you think the Bills would have won Super Bowl 27 if Frank Reich started the game? After the big comeback game, the Bills were on a roll. They scored a huge victory on the road against a Pittsburgh team who was favored to win. The Bills ended up winning handedly 24-3 and were hot! They seemed to be rolling with Reich as QB. Also the Bills teams seemed to rally around Reich whenever he started. Reich never was the most physically gifted QB, but he was smart and it just seemed like the team played harder when he was in the lineup. The offense seemed to be much more focused and determined. As for Kelly, he wasn’t the same when he returned against Miami in the AFC Championship game. The Bills got the victory, but that was largely due to a good rushing day and a strong defensive performance. Most of Kelly’s yards came off screen passes, and he struggled in the redzone. Then came Super Bowl 27....arguably one of Kelly’s worst performances as starter. He ended up getting knocked out of the game and turned the ball several times. Yes, Reich did come in the game when Kelly was hurt but by then it was too late. I’m not saying that starting Reich guarantees a win by any means. But if he starts and put more points on the board early (which Kelly failed to do), we could see a different Super Bowl. What does everyone think? I remember wanting reich to start against Miami in that years afc championship game and in the super bowl against Dallas. I love Kelly, but we were on a roll with reich and I felt we should have stuck with the hot hand. Thanks for this thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 The backup QB is always perfect. No INT’s, no fumbles, always know where the blitz is coming from. I actually had a dream about the perfect backup last night. But then I woke up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Better question.... "Is Frank Reich the most overrated Bill's player of all-time?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 I'm gonna be optimistic about this and say that we may have had a better chance. I think those days when Reich had to come in are almost similar to Nick Foles. Watching Philly this season, they were garbage all around when Wentz was in, but when Foles was in, they were a different team, offensively and defensively. The energy of one side of the ball usually energizes the other side, therefore, I think we could've had a better shot at winning that game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 23 minutes ago, OJ Tom said: Better question.... "Is Frank Reich the most overrated Bill's player of all-time?" Flutie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: No. As much as I love Marv, he didnt have those teams ready for any of those games. 27 minutes ago, OJ Tom said: Better question.... "Is Frank Reich the most overrated Bill's player of all-time?" I don't know about player, but I'd vote Marv for one of the most overrated Bills personnel of all time. He managed the egos of his team well and was a master motivator, but Polian gave him HOF talent on both sides of the ball and you can make an argument he underachieved with it because he was not a big game coach. He was either too oblivious, too stubborn, or too arrogant to realize he had to change up the game plan against an equally talented opponent; instead 4 years in a row he assumed his team could just "out-execute" the NFC champs like they could the rest of a soft AFC. He also squandered the defensive talent on that team for far too long by retaining Walt Corey and his infamous "read and react " passive defensive style when they should have been dictating to the opponent on both sides of the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Good lord.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Seriously? That Cowboys team was loaded on both sides of the ball; the Bills had no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Come on. Except for less than one half of one miracle game, Reich was terrible his entire NFL career. The Bills must have gotten 4 or 5 breaks in the second half that if any one of them did not occur, Reich would have never taken an NFL snap as a starter. Nor be a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Some topics are better left just discussing with a good friend.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Nah... As much as I hate to say it, the Bills were outclassed in every Super Bowl after losing to the Giants. Kelly & Co. never looked like the offense they were in the regular season in any of those next 3 Super Bowls, and we coughed up the ball so many times it would've been damn near impossible for ANY team to lose with that kind of turnover advantage. Thurman would get his 1 short yardage TD a game and do nothing else. Kelly would look like a deer in the headlights, then get laid out like said deer would standing in the road. And our key defensive players got run all over and couldn't make plays. Washington & Dallas's O-lines totally destroyed our pass rush. Still the best years this team has ever had in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 8 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said: This is something my good friend and I talked about this.... ...What does everyone think? I think that first sentence needs some work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) Why is it that the most popular guy on most losing football teams is the backup QB? . Edited January 31, 2019 by The Senator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, The Senator said: Why is it that the most popular guy on most losing football teams is the backup QB? . Because the quarterback is the most important position and they feel the backup may do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 OP is off the rails. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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