Speculation on Golic and Wingo that Rosen could be traded

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Why would that kid bother going through the garbage system of minor league baseball and possibly never even get anywhere? When he could go to the NFL and get drafted high?

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

8 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

 

Leaving his options open?

 

He said in an interview he wasn't interested in the NFL.

He's a millionaire kid. He's going to keep changing his mind and leaving people hanging. Like anyone, he's going to pursue his best option. And if people are dangling millions to play football he is going to look at it, especially if it means becoming an instant NFL celebrity vs a minor leaguer with a fat bonus.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Because of trade speculation?  I think the Bills should trade Allen for Rodgers.  Let’s start some rumors

 

and there’s zero chance Murray is going number 1

 

...isn't he 5'9" tall?....sure as hell makes Mayfield look like "Too Tall Jones" for his naysayers..............

[Big Turk]

9 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

On Mike and Mike this morning, they speculated that The Cardinals could draft Kyler Murray at #1 overall and trade Rosen if they could get enough for him.  They said the rumor came from Schefter reporting that Kingsbury previously stated he would take Murray #1 if the was in the NFL.

 

if they did it would make them only the second team in the modern era to draft a QB in the first round in back to back years.

 

http://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/25727321

 

Murray is playing baseball I thought?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Is it too soon to do a "Right Josh" victory lap?

I mean, it's been a LONG year.

 

'fraid so.  No jinxing.

[RaoulDuke79]

8 hours ago, whatdrought said:

As much as I have voiced my negative thoughts about Rosen, I would feel sorry for him if this was to come to fruition. 

Why? He doesn't seem very personable to me?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

'fraid so.  No jinxing.

 

Well darn.

[Nextmanup]

John Clayton was asked about this today on Schopp & Bulldog.

 

He said he didn't buy any of it, for what that is worth.

 

 

[LSHMEAB]

I'm always surprised when someone chooses football over baseball all things being relatively equal.

 

Baseball players have it made in the shade. As to the topic, I put the odds of Rosen being traded at .05 and the odds of Murray going number 1 at .01.

Prominent name that comes to mind as a Michigan fan is Drew Henson; the guy Lloyd Carr kept trying to start over Tom Brady! Chose baseball over football despite the fact that he was a likely first round NFL QB. Turns out he sucked at both.

Edited January 10, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[BakersBills]

Murray could go number one in round 2, exactly where they pick lol

[whatdrought]

55 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Why? He doesn't seem very personable to me?

 

No, he seems like a jerk. But this kind of mood could be a career killer. I don’t want that for anyone, except Brady.

[El Guapo]

A QB at 5’8”?  No way he goes in the top ten. He wouldn’t be able to see sh*t. 

[QuoteTheRaven83]

10 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Because of trade speculation?  I think the Bills should trade Allen for Rodgers.  Let’s start some rumors

 

and there’s zero chance Murray is going number 1

 

At this time last season, I'm sure you said "there's zero chance Baker is going number 1."

Edited January 11, 2019 by QuoteTheRaven83

[Zerovoltz]

On 1/9/2019 at 3:16 AM, Zerovotlz said:

.....Save this post.....because it will need to be displayed right next to my Mahomes predictions here.....

 

The Cardinals made this hire because they are going to draft Haskins.

 

The way to look at this for Arizona isn't that they have a QB and can trade the 1/1 in the draft....(of course they COULD) but instead....look at like a chance to choose between Rosen or Haskins.  Arizona absolutely has that choice right now.

 

If you hire Kingsbury, who is going to install a spread, air it out type offense...you want HASKINS running that, not Rosen.  

 

The Arizona front office, by firing Wilks after only one season, has already shown they aren't afraid to move on from a mistake after 1 year and get someone they think is better.

 

Haskins is better than Rosen.

 

Arizona will keep that pick, draft Haskins, and trade Rosen to the highest bidder.  I predict that bidder will be the Saints, who will probably be able to pick up Rosen for a 4th round pick...get a first round talent into their system to be the heir to Brees and fix their succession problem with a player who is still talented, on a rookie deal, that only costs a 3 or a 4 to kick the tires on?  

 

As for as Kingsbury as a HC...he has HC experience tyring to win in Lubbock, TX.  He's proven he knows how to look at QB's and got them out to that ****hole to play college football.  He knows offense..the leauge is clearly trending offense....this is about offense...Kliff will hire an experienced D coordinator...again, the man understand how to lead, delegate etc.....

 

 

 

I came to this conclusion before anyone else was considering it.  I stand by it, including the Haskins part instead of Murray.

[Norcalbillsfan]

10 hours ago, ShipUPride said:

With the reliance on the QB position, why would not they keep both and have them compete?  Trade one away after that 2019 season.

 

Might be able to get more for Rosen right now, then if the league sees him lose a QB battle to a rookie next year. Plus Kingsbury was around Rosen in college, for all we know he might not like Rosen from his attitude in college and love Murray's attitude. I'm wildly speculating at this point but I definitely see your point.

I see more teams swinging for the fences on Haskins in the first, but Murray seems like he's in the convo cuz there isn't much else.

[YoloinOhio]

The Draft Network has him as the #1 QB, compares him to Haskins here...

 

 

 

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[Boatdrinks]

37 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

 

At this time last season, I'm sure you said "there's zero chance Baker is going number 1."

I figured Mayfield was good enough to go #1 as he was the best QB, but still didn’t think he would as he wasn’t quite 6’2 and a QB that height hadn’t been picked top ten. We all know what happened, but 5’8” ? I don’t think there’s much chance of that. Murray should play baseball, he’ll be crushed at the NFL level. 

[DefenseWins]

I wouldn't mind seeing both Haskins and Murray being drafted in the top 8 picks. That just means that the Bills get a shot at the 7th best positional player (non-QB) in this years draft.

 

It's interesting though that there were rumours around the 2018 Draft that both the Bills and Arizona valued Allen over Rosen. Bottom line is that I'm quite happy that McBean zeroed in on Allen as their choice. Time will tell but I think that McBean "killed" this past years draft getting Allen, Edmunds, Phillips,  Johnson, Neal and Teller. McBean also acquired Foster and Wallace. Another solid draft like that and signing a few more FA should have this team looking it's best in many a year...

[buffaloboyinATL]

2 hours ago, matter2003 said:

 

Murray is playing baseball I thought?

Seems to be vasilating now that his former coach has the #1 pick in the draft.

[Putin]

11 hours ago, ShipUPride said:

With the reliance on the QB position, why would not they keep both and have them compete?  Trade one away after that 2019 season.

 

Better get what you can for him now , before he’s officially declared as a B_ _ T 

[C.Biscuit97]

58 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

 

At this time last season, I'm sure you said "there's zero chance Baker is going number 1."

I’ll take that bet if you want to make it.

2 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Why? He doesn't seem very personable to me?

He’s a jerk because he speaks up on social issues?  What an ahole!

[buffaloboyinATL]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

John Clayton was asked about this today on Schopp & Bulldog.

 

He said he didn't buy any of it, for what that is worth.

 

 

Is he still around?!

[JoPar_v2]

Can anyone here pin down this kid’s actual height? Just reading through the thread I see everything from 5’6” to 5’11”. 

 

Seems like he’s listed at 5’11” officially, but I’ve been around college athletics enough to know those numbers are fudged regularly (Baker isn’t 6’1”, either.)

 

not trying to put anyone on the spot, I am just curious if anyone has the inside info on his actual measurables. 5’8” vs. 5’11” is a big difference in the NFL.

[RaoulDuke79]

9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He’s a jerk because he speaks up on social issues?  What an ahole!

I dont find him personable. You can take it whatever direction you want. Maybe he's not a jerk, who knows he's just doesn't seem like someone I'd want to hang around and have a good time.

[Augie]

I can live with this....if it helps a STUD drop down to the Bills.  ?

[C.Biscuit97]

26 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I dont find him personable. You can take it whatever direction you want. Maybe he's not a jerk, who knows he's just doesn't seem like someone I'd want to hang around and have a good time.

And this is based on meeting him a few times?  It’s weird how people think they know people they never met.  I respect a guy who has a hot tub in his dorm room. 

33 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

Can anyone here pin down this kid’s actual height? Just reading through the thread I see everything from 5’6” to 5’11”. 

 

Seems like he’s listed at 5’11” officially, but I’ve been around college athletics enough to know those numbers are fudged regularly (Baker isn’t 6’1”, either.)

 

not trying to put anyone on the spot, I am just curious if anyone has the inside info on his actual measurables. 5’8” vs. 5’11” is a big difference in the NFL.

He’s closer to 5’9”.  I know the league is changing and he was great in college. But I think he would get murder in the nfl.  Hell, Cam and Big Ben get hurt and they are monsters.

9 hours ago, billspro said:

Bottom line is you never pass on a QB in the draft if you think he can be a franchise guy. They could probably trade Rosen for a late first round pick if they are not sold on him. Murray is probably a better fit for that offence than Rosen.

So should the Bulls follow the same logic?

[RaoulDuke79]

12 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

And this is based on meeting him a few times?  It’s weird how people think they know people they never met.  I respect a guy who has a hot tub in his dorm room.

So do I.

[Nextmanup]

56 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

Can anyone here pin down this kid’s actual height? Just reading through the thread I see everything from 5’6” to 5’11”. 

 

Seems like he’s listed at 5’11” officially, but I’ve been around college athletics enough to know those numbers are fudged regularly (Baker isn’t 6’1”, either.)

 

not trying to put anyone on the spot, I am just curious if anyone has the inside info on his actual measurables. 5’8” vs. 5’11” is a big difference in the NFL.

You talking about Baker Mayfield?

He was measured at 6' 5/8" tall at the combine.

 

That's not faked.

 

 

[without a drought]

Mike and Mike being replaced by Michael Jordan and Michael Spinks is probably just as likely.

[Augie]

2 hours ago, El Guapo said:

A QB at 5’8”?  No way he goes in the top ten. He wouldn’t be able to see sh*t. 

 

If this trend continues, we won’t look for QB’s who can see over the linemen, we will look for QB’s who can see UNDER the linemen!  Be patient while the game evolves. 

 

?

[CincyBillsFan]

If this actually happens it proves to me the NFL has gone officially bat feces crazy.  I'm not a big Rosen fan and think the Bills got the right Josh but Arizona was a dumpster fire and to discard Rosen after this season seems insanely premature.  To do it to draft either Haskins or Murray seems to me to be doubling down on crazy.  Now if this were two years from now and the Clemson QB was coming out it might and I emphasize MIGHT be a smart move.  Right now Arizona needs to trade away their #1 pick for as many draft picks as someone is willing to give them.  Paraphrasing what was said in Animal House: "they need the dudes".  

[SinceThe70s]

2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

I figured Mayfield was good enough to go #1 as he was the best QB, but still didn’t think he would as he wasn’t quite 6’2 and a QB that height hadn’t been picked top ten. We all know what happened, but 5’8” ? I don’t think there’s much chance of that. Murray should play baseball, he’ll be crushed at the NFL level. 

 

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this already, but Pat White comes to mind for me.

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

Can anyone here pin down this kid’s actual height? Just reading through the thread I see everything from 5’6” to 5’11”. 

 

Seems like he’s listed at 5’11” officially, but I’ve been around college athletics enough to know those numbers are fudged regularly (Baker isn’t 6’1”, either.)

 

not trying to put anyone on the spot, I am just curious if anyone has the inside info on his actual measurables. 5’8” vs. 5’11” is a big difference in the NFL.

I’ll put it this way, he basically looks like a huge second grader.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

13 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

On Mike and Mike this morning, they speculated that The Cardinals could draft Kyler Murray at #1 overall and trade Rosen if they could get enough for him.  They said the rumor came from Schefter reporting that Kingsbury previously stated he would take Murray #1 if the was in the NFL.

 

if they did it would make them only the second team in the modern era to draft a QB in the first round in back to back years.

 

http://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/25727321

 

They need something to talk about but Dallas did it so who knows.

 

 

[SinceThe70s]

1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I dont find him personable. You can take it whatever direction you want. Maybe he's not a jerk, who knows he's just doesn't seem like someone I'd want to hang around and have a good time.

 

First time I ever saw Rosen was a TV interview. Didn't even hear him speak before I formed an opinion. Was watching with my Jets fan friend months before  the draft. We both took one look at the expression on his face and his body language and tagged him as a d-bag that neither of us wanted to lead our team.

 

We could both be wrong, perhaps Rosen is a real swell guy and will thrive in the NFL. As it stands right now, we're both happy that he didn't land on our team.

 

[RememberTheRockpile]

12 hours ago, hemma said:

Given the quality of his OL, I'm a little surprised Rosen made it mostly alive to the end of the year.

Poor guy was a tethered goat. 

Maybe the Cards should rename the stadium Jurassic Park.

[formerlyofCtown]

10 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Seems to be vasilating now that his former coach has the #1 pick in the draft.

I thought that he already said he was playing baseball, or was that someone else.

Edited January 11, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[Doc]

13 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

I came to this conclusion before anyone else was considering it.  I stand by it, including the Haskins part instead of Murray.

 

No way they're taking Haskins.  They hired KK ostensibly to work with Rosen, not anyone else.

 

But as with everything, we shall see.

[buffaloboyinATL]

2 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I thought that he already said he was playing baseball, or was that someone else.

no, that was him, but now he said he is considering football instead.  I think it will all be dependent on how high he would go in the draft. If he believes that Arizona would be willing to take him at #1, he may go that route.  (I am sure it is a long shot, but who knows)

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’ll put it this way, he basically looks like a huge second grader.

Does that mean they can look forward to all the fun, excitement, and pathos of ‘short man syndrome’?  ?

Edited January 11, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013