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1 hour ago, Bills2ref said:

Everything coming out says he is leaning towards the NFL. Even the Oakland A’s have stated they expect him to declare for the NFL draft. 

Is he as good a baseball prospect as football?  MLB money would be really hard to walk away from, guaranteed contracts and all.

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1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I mean Kingsbury straight up in an interview say that he's an unbelievable talent and he would take him #1 overall....

 

It's one thing to make a hypothetical statement about the#1 pick in the draft while you coach the Red Raiders of Texas Tech. It is another thing to actually pull the trigger.

 

Also, Steve Keim is still the GM and he drafted Rosen.

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3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Oh, I have no idea, either, but I just think Haskins is the more attractive prospect right now. And if I am a team that wants Rosen, I'm not paying a top ten pick for him, because if a team is selling after one year, no matter what the circumstances, I'm not paying a premium to get the guy.

I feel like a ton of the Rosen stuff that was negative surrounded his personality and approach to football. I’m not sure if any of that ever mattered this year but then again he’s in the perfect spot because the cards are so irrelevant and ignored by the media. Haskins has none of that negativity but he has less experience and isn’t all that more mobile than Rosen. He hates to run and is a pocket passer only. He will run if he has to but it’s totally unnatural. However he’s bigger and more durable than Rosen. Never injured. 

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1 minute ago, CoudyBills said:

Is he as good a baseball prospect as football?  MLB money would be really hard to walk away from, guaranteed contracts and all.

He was the 9th overall pick in the MLB draft. There was talk that he may be the first player to be drafted in the first round in both leagues.

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3 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

Is he as good a baseball prospect as football?  MLB money would be really hard to walk away from, guaranteed contracts and all.

Comparing apples to apples, MLB contracts for top-end draftees are significantly smaller than they are for top-end NFL draftees:

 

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/07/browns_baker_mayfield_signs_hi.html

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/2018-mlb-draft-tigers-sign-no-1-pick-casey-mize-to-record-7-5-million-bonus/

 

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2 minutes ago, Flip Johnson said:

 

It's one thing to make a hypothetical statement about the#1 pick in the draft while you coach the Red Raiders of Texas Tech. It is another thing to actually pull the trigger.

 

Also, Steve Keim is still the GM and he drafted Rosen.

 

I understand that and you could be right.  However, the Cards brought in Kingsbury in for a specific reason.  I would think that the guy they are putting all their faith in, he would be given a lot say on who is under center.  If Kingsbury really and truly believes in Murray....I definitely think it'll be under strong consideration.

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7 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

Is he as good a baseball prospect as football?  MLB money would be really hard to walk away from, guaranteed contracts and all.

 

He can always switch to baseball in a few years if things don't work out so he has options.

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A few thoughts related to this thread:

 

  • Just because Murray declares for the draft doesn't mean he is going to play football.  It means he's going to test the waters, see who picks him, where he gets picked (and thus how much guaranteed money he would get) and then he would decide whether to play.
     
  • Just because Mayfield has been pretty successful in the NFL so far, it doesn't mean that Murray will be successful.  They are two different people and two different players.  Murray is also much smaller.  I don't see him being successful as an NFL QB, but like everyone else's, my opinion is just speculation.  Nobody knows how it might turn out.
     
  • Just because Kingsbury said "I would take him #1 overall" doesn't mean that the Cardinals will.  It was just a one-off comment and he was making the point that he thinks that Murray is talented enough to be drafted at the top of the draft.  It also doesn't cost him anything to be complimentary of a talented kid who just won the Heisman trophy.  The sports media is just making news out of a sound bite.
     
  • Kingsbury was a terrible hire who is already in over his head.  He was fired because he couldn't win at Texas Tech, where he had Patrick Mahomes as his QB.  How does this translate to success in the NFL?  The Cardinals are reverting back to their old ways of dysfunction and foolishness.  I'm hoping the Bills have moved on from that.
     
  • Rosen is still an unknown commodity.  The Cardinals offensive line was beyond terrible this season, MUCH worse than the Bills.  Aaron Rodgers would not have been successful with that line.  Also, his only quality receiver, Larry Fitzgerald, is well beyond his prime and the Cardinals coaching staff was sub par.  I live in Arizona and people are not clamoring to move on from Rosen.
     
  • I'm glad I am a Bills fan and not a Cardinals fan.
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Given the quality of his OL, I'm a little surprised Rosen made it mostly alive to the end of the year.

Poor guy was a tethered goat. 

I'd hope they don't give up on him that quickly.

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14 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

Is he as good a baseball prospect as football?  MLB money would be really hard to walk away from, guaranteed contracts and all.

 The difference is that big money is 6-7 years off for Murray in baseball and far from a guaranteed thing.  If he is gonna get drafted in the first few picks in NFL draft, football is a no brainer from a financial perspective.  He’d be choosing $4.6m guaranteed in baseball versus $20+million guaranteed in football and as a QB, his earning power is just as great in football as baseball long term.  

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I think the Cards should take a QB at the top of the draft. Not for any football reason, but to see if Rosen has a meltdown. That could be fine entertainment.  😋

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There's no way they give up on Rosen that fast.

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2 minutes ago, MJS said:

There's no way they give up on Rosen that fast.

Maybe they draft him and keep both and let them battle it out? College like ... their coach is used to that 

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2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Maybe they draft him and keep both and let them battle it out? College like ... their coach is used to that 

 

Or they spend their picks on upgrading the oline, like they should. Who can play QB behind that garbage?

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Just now, MJS said:

 

Or they spend their picks on upgrading the oline, like they should. Who can play QB behind that garbage?

That’s the smart/safe move, but they appear to be operating outside the box 

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Just now, YoloinOhio said:

That’s the smart/safe move, but they appear to be operating outside the box 

 

I hope they do draft another 1st round QB. That would be hilarious.

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24 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

 The difference is that big money is 6-7 years off for Murray in baseball and far from a guaranteed thing.  If he is gonna get drafted in the first few picks in NFL draft, football is a no brainer from a financial perspective.  He’d be choosing $4.6m guaranteed in baseball versus $20+million guaranteed in football and as a QB, his earning power is just as great in football as baseball long term.  

 

I don't think Murray actually has the luxury of choosing football over baseball based on financial benefit.  He has to commit to playing in the NFL well before the draft to have any chance of being drafted in the first round, much less at the top of the draft.    No NFL team is going to waste a first rounder on a kid who just might walk away if he doesn't like where he lands in the draft.

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2 hours ago, CommonCents said:

I trust in Dunkirk more than Wingo/Mike. 

 

Visiting hours are noon to 3, Saturdays, Cellblock C. Be prepared to be strip searched.

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1 hour ago, Watkins90 said:

Murray is not 5'11" Maybe when he first wakes up and is wearing heels. At best 5'8"

He wakes up wearing heels?! This could be a concern for some teams...

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Bottom line is you never pass on a QB in the draft if you think he can be a franchise guy. They could probably trade Rosen for a late first round pick if they are not sold on him. Murray is probably a better fit for that offence than Rosen.

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This will be 3 months of drama once he lists the teams that he will not play for if drafted.  I suspect he will select the team and if drafted by another will go baseball.  With Boras as the agent, expert circus.

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50 minutes ago, Augie said:

I think the Cards should take a QB at the top of the draft. Not for any football reason, but to see if Rosen has a meltdown. That could be fine entertainment.  😋

I guess that would mean he could add another team to the list of teams that made a mistake.  😜

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