Josh Allen---has your opinion changed on him since draft night?

[Magox]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Just to be clear I wasn't trying to compare Josh's game to Tyrod. Just his output. Josh averaged about 188 yards per game passing (took it on 11 games think that is fair... started 11 didn't finish 1 but played half of one he didn't start) and about 58 rushing. That is right in the Tyrod production bracket even if there were plenty of differences about how he got there. That level of production can be serviceable.... Tyrod proved it. You need pieces around him and he'd have to turn it over less but if that is his floor it is a serviceable floor. That was my only point. Pre-draft I was definitely lower on what Allen's floor was. The exciting thing is that his ceiling is so much higher. The Tyrod problem wasn't low floor.... his floor was pretty high.... it was a low ceiling.

 

After we drafted him I watched all the games I could of every throw he had and I never bought into the very low floor label that was often thrown out there.  People were comparing him to a Jamarcus Russel or EJ Manuel 2.0  sort of possibility.  His work ethic would never allow him to be a Jamarcus sort of bust and to me EJ truly did have accuracy issues despite the high completion % that people liked to cite of his college days.  EJ's throws in college were for the most part consisted of lots of short throws and he didn't have the same willingness to make plays that JA displayed.  I just didn't see the comparisons.   What I saw of Allen was that if he had his feet set he threw his 20-30 yard passes with lots of accuracy.  What I also saw was that he was such an awesome scrambler, could shed off tackles with ease with that huge gun of an arm and the mentality to go for the jugular down the field when he escaped the pocket that these combined traits alone would most likely translate into a playmaking QB.   I created a whole thread basically describing these things and how I didn't believe the low floor hype.

 

I thought that his floor was Blake Bortles (not that this is good but it's not god awful) and that his ceiling was a Ben Roth sort of player.  That was pre draft.

 

Now I think his floor is Kaepernick during his San Fran days.

[WideRightRevenge]

He's perfect for Buffalo ... just as the team said when they drafted him .. he's a Buffalo guy ... the last game was telling to me .. he threw a STUPID pick 6 to end the first half, but came out in the 2nd half and hammered the fish.  Plus the team has his back after they defended him from the Kiko cheap shot.   I love that we are finally taking more shots downfield .. and his arm ... WOOF .. there were 15 mph winds on Sunday at New Era and he was shredding it through the air (17 of 26 ... yes sit down a 65% completion percentage).   Think he will take full advantage of the off season and continue to work on the short touch passes .. now surround him with better talent and watch out! 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

23 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

 

 

i'm honestly not trying to be a jerk here guys but I have no clue how somebody can come to such over the top conclusions about a guy so early in their career. 

 

 

Some hyperbole in my statement obviously. But the overall point is that there wasn't really anything to be excited about after the first six games. If his last six games were just like his first six games 90% of the board would be talking about firing all the coaches and drafting another QB early. He really progressed in his last six games and showed why he was taken #7 overall.

3 hours ago, Magox said:

I thought that his floor was Blake Bortles (not that this is good but it's not god awful) and that his ceiling was a Ben Roth sort of player.  That was pre draft.

 

Now I think his floor is Kaepernick during his San Fran days.

 

Yeah, I wast thinking floor a combination of Ozweiler/Bortles. 

 

His ceiling seems limitless now. Some sort of mix between Big Ben and Cam Newton with the legs of Kaepernick. 

[Antonio]

23 hours ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said:

 

Antonio, my good fellow, you make excellent points. YE OLE was in the same boat with this pick on draft night and completely hated it. YE OLE had, in fact, convinced himself that Baker was the superior prospect and when he was off the board wanted Darnold or Rosen ahead of Allen. 

 

As as we stand here today... as good as Baker was this year, I’m not convinced he will ultimately be better than Allen. That’s not a knock on Baker... he’s going to be very good. He might even be great in the vein of a Drew Brees type of passer.

 

The difference to me is that nobody doubted that Allen going in to this draft had physically superior tools in every way, but was simply not capable of playing and may even need 2 years just to sit and watch if he was even going to have a remote chance of success. I was fully expecting him to sail balls into the hospitality tent a la EJ and have no ability to fit the ball into tight windows. When he had to play so early I was excited to see him, but braces for complete disaster. I was completely wrong... he wasn’t completely overmatched by the level of competition and he can zip the ball into really tight windows. He’s probably going to always miss a few throws a game, but he can obviously make plays that very few, if any, other QBs in the league can make. If he puts it all together and begins to think and understand the game at a high level, I believe he will be better than Baker. 

 

Agree!

 

He is going to miss some but make up for it with some magical plays, runs or passes I don´t care. 

 

So far so good, and I feel so much better today than after draftnight. He definitly has my atention. 

[GoBills808]

Kid is going to be a bonafide superstar. Take the best parts of Roethlisberger and Newton in a blender. A right handed Steve Young. A giant among men. Teh answer to questions unasked. The creator and provider. A talent unlike the league has ever seen. I just wish we could retrieve old shoutbox tape from draft night, I was all over this pick. 

[Rufridr101]

Nope! I said at the time he had the most potential of any of the quarterbacks drafted.  The others drafted may have been more ready on day one but the goal is championships. Josh Allen has that rare talent and is even more competitive than I realized.  Aaron Rodgers is a talented guy but lacks that competitive fire. When the bills lost this year it truly ate Josh alive.  He hates losing and combined with the talent great news for buffalo bills fans.

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

My opinion never changed. I was always onboard with this pick. I did not like any of the others. Mayfield was the closest, but I didn't like his height. Allen has it all IMO. He SO reminds me of Jim Kelly (JA could probably play linebacker, too!). There's a swagger and confidence factor that I really see when he's on the field. I like the kid!

[RevWarRifleman]

No. I liked the pick on draft day and knew that he would be a bit of a work-in-progress. Watching him through the season, I'm very pleased with him going

 

forward from here. The last few games have been particularly well done. The kid's a leader and has the fire in his gut and the heart of a lion. Something this

 

franchise has lacked for decades at his position. I want to see less running with the ball with him from now on, and I think we'll see that as our (I assume)

 

wr & te  group improves.   Lots to look forward to Bills fan.  As one NFL player once said "CAN'T WAIT!!!!!

[C.Biscuit97]

I hated, hated the pick.  For the most part, he is what I thought he would be.  But he is definitely more fast and he is exciting (though weirdly exciting isn’t as the best quality for a qb).

 

i want to see him with better weapons to make a real judgment on him.  I think he gets way too many excuses made. Personally, I think it’s sad we are settling for Daboll because I don’t think he’s anything special as an OC and would love a real offensive mind here.

 

but he isn’t the worst qb ever so I have a little more optimism than I thought I would.  Long way to go though.

[Mango]

7 hours ago, Magox said:

 

After we drafted him I watched all the games I could of every throw he had and I never bought into the very low floor label that was often thrown out there.  People were comparing him to a Jamarcus Russel or EJ Manuel 2.0  sort of possibility.  His work ethic would never allow him to be a Jamarcus sort of bust and to me EJ truly did have accuracy issues despite the high completion % that people liked to cite of his college days.  EJ's throws in college were for the most part consisted of lots of short throws and he didn't have the same willingness to make plays that JA displayed.  I just didn't see the comparisons.   What I saw of Allen was that if he had his feet set he threw his 20-30 yard passes with lots of accuracy.  What I also saw was that he was such an awesome scrambler, could shed off tackles with ease with that huge gun of an arm and the mentality to go for the jugular down the field when he escaped the pocket that these combined traits alone would most likely translate into a playmaking QB.   I created a whole thread basically describing these things and how I didn't believe the low floor hype.

 

I thought that his floor was Blake Bortles (not that this is good but it's not god awful) and that his ceiling was a Ben Roth sort of player.  That was pre draft.

 

Now I think his floor is Kaepernick during his San Fran days.

 

I think his floor, attitude aside, is probably similar to Jay Cutler. 

[Boatdrinks]

Honestly I hated the pick on draft night. I thought Rosen was the safer pick and that’s what I wanted. Maybe bbfs at work there, but I had myself convinced. I’m a lot more optimistic on Allen now, especially seeing the difference before his injury and after. Prior to being hurt, he was scraping by on athleticism and looked like he probably shouldn’t be playing. After he returned it never appeared that way. I want to see some major attention to the offensive side of the ball this offseason and expect to see a big jump by Allen next year. More excited about their offensive prospects than I’ve been in a long time, largely due to Allen being the QB. That’s a big change from anything I envisioned on draft night. 

[BADOLBILZ]

On 1/2/2019 at 9:23 AM, Flip Johnson said:

 

I am convinced that there are some people on this board who would have watched Dan Marino in 1983 and said, "we need to see more."

 

 

Patrick Mahomes this year was Dan Marino of 1984.

 

I loved the Allen pick at the time and feel even better now..........but we gotta' hope that Mahomes/Allen turns out like Marino/Kelly did.

Edited January 4, 2019 by BADOLBILZ

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

saved the best for last...

 

Josh Allen, Darius Leonard among Players of the Week 

 

Josh Allen saved his best for last. The Bills' rookie quarterback completed 17 of 26 passes for 224 yards and three touchdowns with an INT, while also running for two touchdowns and 95 yards. The three passing TDs and five overall scores were both career highs. It was only the second time this season Allen completed more than 50 percent of his throws. It all added up to a 42-17 Buffalo win versus the Miami Dolphins and earned Allen AFC Offensive Player of the Week.

 

 

[Tenhigh]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I hated, hated the pick.  For the most part, he is what I thought he would be.  But he is definitely more fast and he is exciting (though weirdly exciting isn’t as the best quality for a qb).

 

i want to see him with better weapons to make a real judgment on him.  I think he gets way too many excuses made. Personally, I think it’s sad we are settling for Daboll because I don’t think he’s anything special as an OC and would love a real offensive mind here.

 

but he isn’t the worst qb ever so I have a little more optimism than I thought I would.  Long way to go though.

Look who's gushing about the kid....  CB97 is COMING AROUND!

[Veneno]

On 1/2/2019 at 8:46 AM, matter2003 said:

For me, I didnt want him. I believed all the hype with his terrible completion percentage, that he wasn't ready, etc etc...

 

I am a pretty big fan after watching his first year play out I have to admit. Accuracy is an issue but not as much as I think most people believe. Yes he makes some bad throws, but throwing the ball away, deeper throws than normal and dropped passes are a much bigger factor in his incompletions than his inaccuracy. in fact I was surprised to see his accuracy be so much better than i imagined...I was envisioning balls all over the place and terrible ball placement but I didnt see a lot of that. Were there some throws he would like back? Yeah sure there were...did he appear to be a 51.4% completion QB based on the accuracy of his throws? No way...

 

His athleticism is off the charts, dude is crazy fast for his size and is explosive when running. He hits top speed quickly and can really move...you can see this by how many times a defender thinks they have him and takes a bad angle only to have Allen blow by the guy without him even touching him.

 

I think shoring up the protection, and giving Allen some more weapons to work with will do a lot towards helping him improve his completion percentage.

 

Do i think he will ever be a 65% completion QB? No. He will probably be similar to Cam Newton hovering around upper 50s to low 60s. I think we can still win with that based on how often he throws deeper passes and improving the talent around him.

 

Needless to say I'm excited to see how things work out as he gets a full off season and all the work in minicamps and training camps as the undisputed #1 QB with continued help from Anderson and Barkley who he credits for a lot of his development in little nuances and understanding the game better.

 

So has your opinion changed on Josh Allen from the draft to now? 

 

 

No.  He is where he suppose to be.  He was great athlete in college, mediocre passer in a mediocre division.  I expected him to finish the season at around 50% completion and more INT than TD thrown.  I also expected him to be an extra RB since he can't read defense well.  

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 hour ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

saved the best for last...

 

Josh Allen, Darius Leonard among Players of the Week 

 

Josh Allen saved his best for last. The Bills' rookie quarterback completed 17 of 26 passes for 224 yards and three touchdowns with an INT, while also running for two touchdowns and 95 yards. The three passing TDs and five overall scores were both career highs. It was only the second time this season Allen completed more than 50 percent of his throws. It all added up to a 42-17 Buffalo win versus the Miami Dolphins and earned Allen AFC Offensive Player of the Week.

 

 

I think the author meant to say 60%...

[purple haze]

I didn't prefer Allen.  At the time of the pick I was hoping for Rosen because he was safer and would be ready to play sooner.  I still maintain a guy like Allen is really a second round pick if the draft world made any sense.  His physical talent was high end, but his production wasn't.   However, I believed if Allen could put together all of his physical gifts and skills he would be the second coming of John Elway.  That's his ceiling.  After this season I'm all in on him.

 

The kid is a dog.  He goes for the opponents neck, balls to the wall.  He has "It".  Hes an exciting player.  That said, he has a lot to improve on, so the jury is still out, but he took good steps this season.

[Ittakestime]

For people that actually watched him in college, your opinion wouldn't have changed. 

 

For the people that listened to draft "gurus" your opinion probably changed.

 

He is the same as he was in college.  Doesn't play good against the big teams, and would have decent games versus lower level competition.

 

Inaccurate, doesn't goes through progressions quick enough, won't stay in pocket enough and overall has a lot to be desired.

 

He is fun to watch, but he also is so frustrating because it didn't seem like he ever turned the corner in college.

[CincyBillsFan]

Interesting to see how this thread is progressing.  One common theme is how much better Allen played after the injury versus before the injury.  This is what appears to have turned around some of his biggest detractors.  And IMO this is why we have every reason to be optimistic for next year. 

 

The degree to which Allen improved in EVERY phase of his game after the injury was startling to see.  It shows an ability to learn on the fly and indicates that we'll see an even bigger jump after an entire off season of work.  Allen's lack of high end QB training prior to arriving in the NFL suggests that he may improve to a greater extent then almost any QB in the modern era.  Allen is truly a "blank" canvas who is going to benefit greatly over the next 6 months from NFL caliber coaching & the mentoring of Anderson/Barkley.  Along with his impressive physical gifts Allen appears to be a quick study.  He is simultaneously improving his understanding of the game while also perfecting his throwing mechanics & footwork.

 

  

 

 

Edited January 3, 2019 by CincyBillsFan

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

Can you say ‘No’ and it not be a negative thing?  Because that’s how I feel.

 

Allen basically brought his divisive hero ball from Wyoming along with his amazing big plays and poor Competion % to the NFL.

 

He was exactly as advertised by the Scouting Reports.  Pros and Cons.

 

I try to not have opinions and just let the numbers and results tell me what is.

 

So for me...nothing really has changed.  Season 2 is where things need to change.

[Heavy Kevi]

On 1/2/2019 at 8:46 AM, matter2003 said:

For me, I didnt want him. I believed all the hype with his terrible completion percentage, that he wasn't ready, etc etc...

 

I am a pretty big fan after watching his first year play out I have to admit. Accuracy is an issue but not as much as I think most people believe. Yes he makes some bad throws, but throwing the ball away, deeper throws than normal and dropped passes are a much bigger factor in his incompletions than his inaccuracy. in fact I was surprised to see his accuracy be so much better than i imagined...I was envisioning balls all over the place and terrible ball placement but I didnt see a lot of that. Were there some throws he would like back? Yeah sure there were...did he appear to be a 51.4% completion QB based on the accuracy of his throws? No way...

 

His athleticism is off the charts, dude is crazy fast for his size and is explosive when running. He hits top speed quickly and can really move...you can see this by how many times a defender thinks they have him and takes a bad angle only to have Allen blow by the guy without him even touching him.

 

I think shoring up the protection, and giving Allen some more weapons to work with will do a lot towards helping him improve his completion percentage.

 

Do i think he will ever be a 65% completion QB? No. He will probably be similar to Cam Newton hovering around upper 50s to low 60s. I think we can still win with that based on how often he throws deeper passes and improving the talent around him.

 

Needless to say I'm excited to see how things work out as he gets a full off season and all the work in minicamps and training camps as the undisputed #1 QB with continued help from Anderson and Barkley who he credits for a lot of his development in little nuances and understanding the game better.

 

So has your opinion changed on Josh Allen from the draft to now? 

 

 

My opinion changed dramatically on him- from 2 days before the draft to draft day, and from draft day until now.

 

When I saw his throws at the combine I was like "ok, don't fall for the measurables. They are in shorts and we already know he's a 'workout hero'". I did not want an inaccurate college QB from a crap team just because he looks like the player you make in Madden as a prototype at QB.

 

Then the twitter leak. This gave me the feeling that some team(s) were trying to make him fall in the draft. This actually made me want us to draft him. Wierd I know, and maybe it's a bit of underdog syndrome, or maybe I felt like he was being mistreated. Either way, I wanted him even though my brain screamed "NOOOOO"

 

From then to now, what a difference. You could argue he is still inaccurate (and the stats would agree with you), but he showed us so much more that makes me proud to have him as our QB- namely his passion, heart, team mentality, and drive (and did I mention he's like a physical prototype at QB). He is so perfect for the city of Buffalo it's almost scary. He has embraced all things Buffalo and the fans have reciprocated. As I type this I see him at the Sabres game in a Tre White goalie academy hoodie. Good *****. On the field he showed things that make me believe he is the future, and off the field he is already there. 

 

That's my quarterback, man....

[Big Turk]

12 minutes ago, Shotgunner said:

 

My opinion changed dramatically on him- from 2 days before the draft to draft day, and from draft day until now.

 

When I saw his throws at the combine I was like "ok, don't fall for the measurables. They are in shorts and we already know he's a 'workout hero'". I did not want an inaccurate college QB from a crap team just because he looks like the player you make in Madden as a prototype at QB.

 

Then the twitter leak. This gave me the feeling that some team(s) were trying to make him fall in the draft. This actually made me want us to draft him. Wierd I know, and maybe it's a bit of underdog syndrome, or maybe I felt like he was being mistreated. Either way, I wanted him even though my brain screamed "NOOOOO"

 

From then to now, what a difference. You could argue he is still inaccurate (and the stats would agree with you), but he showed us so much more that makes me proud to have him as our QB- namely his passion, heart, team mentality, and drive (and did I mention he's like a physical prototype at QB). He is so perfect for the city of Buffalo it's almost scary. He has embraced all things Buffalo and the fans have reciprocated. As I type this I see him at the Sabres game in a Tre White goalie academy hoodie. Good *****. On the field he showed things that make me believe he is the future, and off the field he is already there. 

 

That's my quarterback, man....

The stats might agree with you that he is inaccurate but the eye test for the most part doesn't. Completion percentage never has and never will be a really good measure of how accurate a QB is. It tells part of the story but nowhere near the full story.

Edited January 4, 2019 by matter2003

[Rc2catch]

I was happy for the pick on draft day. I hated Rosen. 

I didn’t care for mayfield or Darnold either so josh kinda won by elimination. 

I seen Darnold as a turnover machine and figured he’d have the usual USC success. So far he looks better and like he’ll be a legit qb. But still looks like a turnover machine. 

Baker is what I thought he’d be, ready to play and probably a top 20 quarterback. Just don’t think he’s very special and will ever be better than a top 15 quarterback. Which isn’t a bad thing at all especially for poor Cleveland after all the years of suffering. 

Allen has limitless potential but I’d pump the brakes on crowning him a generational talent like some have on here. He could be a top 5-10 quarterback but there’s a lot of work to do on his game still. I don’t expect the running to be a normal thing for him. Gotta throw the ball and stop missing reads on the field. 

I will say in my eyes he progressed more than expected this season and that’s huge. If he can read the field better and make some of these easier throws he could make the jump to Aaron Rodgers (5 years ago) status. 

Which is obviously huge. Barring injuries bills fans should be excited to see him get better 

[Elite Poster]

100%. 

However, we need to, as a group, stop acting like he's a 7 time pro bowler, 3x all pro, on his way to the HOF. A TON of work to be done still. Way more than we acknowledge. 

[Buffalo03]

On 1/2/2019 at 9:46 AM, ganesh said:

+1.   From day one, I was happy to have him as our QB.  With Darnold and Mayfield gone, our decision came down to between the two Josh's and each one had their own pro's and cons.   Allen fits the mould of this town and was the choice.   What he showed through the entire season was the eagerness to  *continue* to learn every day and become better.  We got the right one!

Maybe that will be a 30 For 30 in about 20 years. "The Two Josh's" lol

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, Elite Poster said:

100%. 

However, we need to, as a group, stop acting like he's a 7 time pro bowler, 3x all pro, on his way to the HOF. A TON of work to be done still. Way more than we acknowledge. 

 

I see no one acting that way

[Stank_Nasty]

1 hour ago, Elite Poster said:

100%. 

However, we need to, as a group, stop acting like he's a 7 time pro bowler, 3x all pro, on his way to the HOF. A TON of work to be done still. Way more than we acknowledge. 

Nah. I see it acknowledged about every 3rd post or so, on anything regarding Allen. 

 

Its like a default setting for half the poster around here. They see somebody excited about Allen and then immediately feel the need to respond with “he’s got a ton of work to do! Chill out!” 

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Elite Poster said:

 

However, we need to, as a group, stop acting like he's a 7 time pro bowler, 3x all pro, on his way to the HOF. A TON of work to be done still. Way more than we acknowledge. 

 

I agree with that.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

3 hours ago, Elite Poster said:

100%. 

However, we need to, as a group, stop acting like he's a 7 time pro bowler, 3x all pro, on his way to the HOF. A TON of work to be done still. Way more than we acknowledge. 

who's "we"? can you dig up a few quotes related to your claim there?

 

I agree there is work yet to be done but I have seen no one prop him up in the way you describe.

Edited January 4, 2019 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

who's "we"? can you dig up a few quotes related to your claim there?

 

I agree there is work yet to be done but I have seen no one prop him up in the way you describe.

 

There are plenty saying "I'm now convinced" and "the kid has 'it'..." and such like. Even in this thread. We have had other threads declaring him a 2019 MVP candidate. It is fair to say as promising as he has looked in the 2nd half of the season that we should pump the breaks a tad on that kind of talk. There is a long way still to go.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

There are plenty saying "I'm now convinced" and "the kid has 'it'..." and such like. Even in this thread. We have had other threads declaring him a 2019 MVP candidate. It is fair to say as promising as he has looked in the 2nd half of the season that we should pump the breaks a tad on that kind of talk. There is a long way still to go.

I’d say it’s a lot more reasonable to project him a success after a typical rookie campaign than, say, before he was ever drafted.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

There are plenty saying "I'm now convinced" and "the kid has 'it'..." and such like. Even in this thread. We have had other threads declaring him a 2019 MVP candidate. It is fair to say as promising as he has looked in the 2nd half of the season that we should pump the breaks a tad on that kind of talk. There is a long way still to go.

pretty sure "most" sensible folks know there is work yet to be done.

[BillsfaninChicago]

My opinion totally changed to be honest. I wanted Josh Rosen at 7 and I bought into the idea that Allen had the physical tools but had no accuracy. This proves I will never make ir as a GM in this league!

[Magox]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

There are plenty saying "I'm now convinced" and "the kid has 'it'..." and such like. Even in this thread. We have had other threads declaring him a 2019 MVP candidate. It is fair to say as promising as he has looked in the 2nd half of the season that we should pump the breaks a tad on that kind of talk. There is a long way still to go.

Stating that "I'm now convinced" that he will be a franchise QB or "the kid has it" is nothing like what E. Poster stated.  

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Magox said:

Stating that "I'm now convinced" that he will be a franchise QB or "the kid has it" is nothing like what E. Poster stated.  

 

I think it is. It is a point that any reasonable fan should know we haven't reached yet. There are lots of reasons to be positive, but there have been people going over the top.

[MrEpsYtown]

In the 2017 draft I really liked Trubisky and I was intrigued by Mahomes. I did not like Watson at all. But deep down I really wanted to wait for 2018 and get Josh Allen. He seemed like the prototype quarterback the Bills had been looking for, for a very long time. Big, huge arm, big hands etc etc etc. 

 

As we approached the draft in 2018 I didn't think we would get a shot at Allen. So I started to study Rosen a lot and started to feel very strongly that he was our guy. I did not like Mayfield or Jackson. I liked Allen, Rosen, Darnold. On draft night I was somewhat disappointed for about 2 seconds, because I really convinced myself that we were going to draft Rosen. I realized that I should have stuck with my gut all along and stayed loyal to the idea of Josh Allen. I flip flopped a bit, but I really was okay with Darnold, Allen, or Rosen. 

 

I've been very happy watching him play. The last time I was excited about a Bills quarterback was Drew Bledsoe, and Jim before that obviously. Allen is the real deal. He's humble, hard working, smart, and has ridiculous athletic upside as a passer and runner. There is a ton of work to be done, but I truly believe we have found our guy for the long haul. He's perfect for Buffalo. 

Edited January 4, 2019 by MrEpsYtown

[Stank_Nasty]

ATTENTION ALL PUNCH BOWL PI**ERS:

 

The majority of people that are excited about allen realize he's got work yet to do in order to be the QB the bills need him to be..... a novel idea to some of you, I know.

 

 

Edited January 4, 2019 by Stank_Nasty

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

ATTENTION ALL PUNCH BOWL PI**ERS:

 

The majority of people that are excited about allen realize he's got work yet to do in order to be the QB the bills need him to be..... a novel idea to some of you, I know.

 

 

 

Agreed. The majority do. Some have gone over the top and that was what I believe Elite Poster was referring to. I think he is entitled to do that without the usual rush of people taking shots at him.

[Dr. Who]

18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agreed. The majority do. Some have gone over the top and that was what I believe Elite Poster was referring to. I think he is entitled to do that without the usual rush of people taking shots at him.

If you give the same benefit of the doubt to the folks who are enthusiastic about Allen as you do to Elite Poster, there really isn't a basis for anyone being upset. A lot of folks feel the need to add the caveat about Allen having to continue to develop just to placate folks who actually seem irritated that others are now really happy Allen is the Buffalo Bills qb. You probably wouldn't have the same level of emotional optimism if many hadn't been persuaded by the massive negative reaction to the fella when he was first drafted that we had made a highly risk choice likely to be a bust. It's as much relief that Allen's floor is evidently not a "bust" as joy that he appears to have a legitimate shot at hitting his ceiling that is motivating the good vibes. 

[WideNine]

I really did not expect anything from any of the QBs available, and I pretty much expected anyone that the Bills selected would end up being terrible.

 

I figured if the Heisman-toting Mayfield fell to us, he would end up being Manziel version 2.0; That I would end up reading about him running over some pedestrian late one weekend while on a drunken binge, fleeing the scene, leaving a rental car full of drugs, hookers, and some loaded guns.

 

As a Buffalo Bills fan with a perennial list of letdowns, I would not have been surprised in the least - so admittedly the bar was set pretty low. If we ended up with anyone that did not promptly get into legal trouble and end up making negative headlines, I figured we would end up with someone who could maybe, barely manage to not lose games if forced into action because McCarron got hurt.... as long as he had a stout defense and were somewhat able to run the ball.

 

I was resigned to watching our defense and simply hoping that they would punch Brady a few times in the ***** each year before we exited sans playoffs and I started watching hockey.

 

Now I watch our Bills and the offense because they are actually fun to watch. The kid is a breath of fresh air. Yes, he is undisciplined and dangerous with the ball, he makes mistakes, but his desire and compete reach right out of the screen at you and can put you at the edge of your seat yelling at him, "Oh no, no, no, no, wait... yes, yes, touchdown!"  He wants to make a play, he wants to score even if means he has to drag the entire offense down the field with him, and he has some jaw-dropping athleticism.

 

Was anyone, who was not a fan of Wyoming college football, expecting this?

 

It's the Allen roller coaster folks, it is different from anything we have had for years at the position, so why not strap in and enjoy the ride.

Edited January 4, 2019 by WideNine