Josh Allen's progress

[Beast]

1 minute ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Didn’t trade up for a Running Quarterback.

 

Stand in the pocket and deliver.  And in these next four games try some throws.

 

Rather punt while experimenting than immediately running for a first down.

 

Your posts are moronic.

 

You’d rather punt than have him run for a first down (better for the team) which would give him more chances to make throws.

 

LOL.

Just now, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

 

I need Josh Allen to evolve into something better as soon as possible you bet.

 

we traded up for a QB with many question marks and I want him to work on his throwing. These next four games instead of running.

 

didnt draft him for running.

 

and you took Tyrod running for a billion 1st downs instead of throwing...where’d that get anyone?

 

If you are comparing Taylor to Allen you truly are a fool.

[BuffaloBillsMagic1]

46 minutes ago, PearlHowardman said:

 

Why do 7 out of 10 posters here admit that Josh Allen has a accuracy problem but then turn around and say how great Josh Allen is?  I don't get it.

 

Accuracy isn't something that you teach.

 

 

Look up Peyton Manning and Drew Brees first two seasons stats and then look at their later years.  Each improved about 15% over their ist two season pass completion percentage....can't see why Allen can not do it if most others do so.

 

 

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

2 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Your posts are moronic.

 

You’d rather punt than have him run for a first down (better for the team) which would give him more chances to make throws.

 

LOL.

 

It might seem moronic.

 

sacraficing the present for the future usually does.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

There is no problem being a running QB.....that is until defenses adjust and then it becomes a problem if Allen can't adjust to playing in the pocket

 

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

6 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Your posts are moronic.

 

You’d rather punt than have him run for a first down (better for the team) which would give him more chances to make throws.

 

LOL.

 

If you are comparing Taylor to Allen you truly are a fool.

 

Do Taylor and Allen both sacrifice throwing in favor of running?

2 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

There is no problem being a running QB.....that is until defenses adjust and then it becomes a problem if Allen can't adjust to playing in the pocket

 

 

That’s all I’m saying.

 

allen needs to move beyond the running.  It’s only slowing him down and making evaluating him take longer.

 

if he’s not going to stand and Deleiver then it will never get to the level it could go.

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Allen’s success won’t START

until the running STOPS.

 

its fools good.

dont fall for it.

 

he gets the BOTD because he is a Rookie.

 

but his true success won’t START until the running STOPS.

 

What the hell?!????

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

What the hell?!????

 

It’s a cousin to the philosophy of Tanking for the better draft pick.

 

A step back in the present for greater gains in the future.

[oldmanfan]

The game is slowing down for him.  The missed TD to Jones hurt.  The pick was a rookie mistake.  But you can sense the positives the team has when he's out there.  

 

And stop with the accuracy stuff.  Delivered a lot of very nice balls today.

[DuckyBoys]

41 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

 

It’s just slowing down the process and taking away the time he needs to analyze a defense, stand in the pocket and deliver the surgeon like throws that you need to win in this league at a Prime Time level.

 

he can keep on running.  He’s good at it.  But it’s just a bandage on the wound, it is slowing him down.

 

but if he wants to go platinum in this league and sit at the top dog table...he will use these four games to stand in the pocket and try some things.  Try to use his brain.  Chess match it up Mr. Allen.

 

 

 

I’d rather him try some throws on 3rd and middle yardage and punt

 

then have him scramble for the first down.

thats crazy  Let him use his gifts.  That same running ability helped him not take several sacks as well as opened up guys downfield.  The kid is big/strong/fast and elusive  Let him use it  Hopefully he needs to use it less as the line plays better and we acquire guys that can get open right away

[Victory Formation]

There are no accuracy problems STOP!!!!!!! Look how much the elite QBs dump off to their RBs 125x a season a 1yd pass for 10yds. If Allen hits McCoy for a 1yd pass 9/10 he gets dropped for -1. Our OL and RBs are extremely bad. Only good guy between the two units is Dion Dawkins. 

[Andy1]

Kiko was the spy on Allen today and Allen just burned them on the ground. Allen played great for a rookie in his position with the talent he has around him. The good new is that Allen is still improving. He has a real high ceiling. Lets just enjoy the ride with him. 

[Norcalbillsfan]

I'm still on the fence if Allen is the future of the franchise, but I absolutely believe he CAN be. It's going to take the front office to make it happen. He has the physical ability, but as we saw today Allen's best weapon is a wr3 on most teams. And confidence is a huge factor for a young QB. Does Allen have any confidence in any of his receivers will come up and make a play for him? Does he have confidence his o line will give him time to set his feet and scan the feild? Right now he has a defense that plays tough and keeps the score close, other than that the front office needs to surround him with weapons.

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

4 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

thats crazy  Let him use his gifts.  That same running ability helped him not take several sacks as well as opened up guys downfield.  The kid is big/strong/fast and elusive  Let him use it  Hopefully he needs to use it less as the line plays better and we acquire guys that can get open right away

 

Only issue I have is none of these runs are designed.

 

They are not part of Dabols Offense.  So on these runs...The Bills are not executing the offfense game plan.

 

either Allen can’t see the field or is refusing to throw or other areas are failing.

 

every time he runs...the play has failed.  He’s had over 200 rushing yards in 2 weeks.  That’s ALOT of broken/failed plays.

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, RichardLee said:

What is the wobbly ball about?!?!  Many of his passes were wobbly today...

Yes, true.  I’m not an Allen hater, but too many balls came out as ducks.

 

i choose to believe that this is because the OL isn’t giving him adequate blocking and that the Receivers are not helping and that he is throwing on poor down and distances, but there are an alarming number of wounded ducks coming out of his hand.

[PeterDude]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

He’s a mixed bag still.

 

He's a mixed bag period.  We'll be having the same discussions about him in 2020.

Edited December 3, 2018 by PeterDude

[vincec]

8 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Yes, true.  I’m not an Allen hater, but too many balls came out as ducks.

 

i choose to believe that this is because the OL isn’t giving him adequate blocking and that the Receivers are not helping and that he is throwing on poor down and distances, but there are an alarming number of wounded ducks coming out of his hand.

It seems to me that he doesn't set his feet a lot of the time. Sometimes he's under pressure, other times he is feeling the pressure when, by NFL standards, it isn't there. The throw to Clay was a great example. He made a great play to get away from the two Dolphin pass rushers and bought the time to set his feet and make a good throw. Instead he flicked it downfield on the run and missed by 10 yards.

Edited December 3, 2018 by vincec

[OldTimer1960]

Just now, vincec said:

It seems to me that he doesn't set his feet a lot of the time. Sometimes he's under pressure, other times he is feeling the pressure when, by NFL standards, it isn't there. The throw to Clay was a great example. He got away from the two Dolphin pass rushers and bough the time to set his feet and make a good throw. Instead he flicked it downfield on the run and missed by 10 yards.

Agreed, I see it the same way.

[PeterDude]

Just now, vincec said:

It seems to me that he doesn't set his feet a lot of the time. Sometimes he's under pressure, other times he is feeling the pressure when, by NFL standards, it isn't there. The throw to Clay was a great example. He got away from the two Dolphin pass rushers and bough the time to set his feet and make a good throw. Instead he flicked it downfield on the run and missed by 10 yards.

 

Watch Drew Brees on a play like that, see how he sets up and throws.  Biggest knock on Allen in the draft was his footwork, here we go...

[PolishPrince]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

Looked depleted in his post game pc. This dude is a gamer. I have no doubt he's gonna be great if he can continue to develop every week 

Honestly looking at his face it looked like he maybe have been crying in locker room, or fighting the tears hardcore. He looked dejected and flush. Not dejected like I’m clueless or I give up way. More of dejected because he left it all on the field but sill felt and wanted to do more. I respect this.

 

I am in love with his fire, competitiveness and his desire. I will fully admit I was a “wrong josh crowd.” I didn’t want ANOTHER project. I wanted the NFL ready qb. Out of the rookie QB’s I wanted Allen the least (besides Jackson). However now Allen is my favorite of all of them. Even Mayfield who I liked the most, I still like but I feel he is kind of “at his ceiling” already.

[vincec]

3 minutes ago, PeterDude said:

 

Watch Drew Brees on a play like that, see how he sets up and throws.  Biggest knock on Allen in the draft was his footwork, here we go...

Needs to work on it. Drew Brees wasn't Drew Brees either his first season...

[LikeIGiveADarn]

Just now, vincec said:

Needs to work on it. Drew Brees wasn't Drew Brees either his first season... 

 

Don't engage him...

[Mojo44]

2 hours ago, PearlHowardman said:

 

Why do 7 out of 10 posters here admit that Josh Allen has a accuracy problem but then turn around and say how great Josh Allen is?  I don't get it.

 

Accuracy isn't something that you teach.

 

 

 

Wrong. Accuracy, at least from the pocket, is an absolutely trainable psycho motor skill. Do some research. Google it for crying out loud! This is one of the biggest myths about quarterbacks that accuracy, at least from the pocket, cannot be trained and improved.It most definitely can.

[Hebert19]

That backshoulder to Zay was perfect.  Right down to Zays timing.  Too bad he couldn't hold on. 

[PeterDude]

7 minutes ago, vincec said:

Needs to work on it. Drew Brees wasn't Drew Brees either his first season...

 

He's going to get another season and a half at least. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Irrespective of the ups and downs, the most dynamic and best player on the field today was Allen.

[Augie]

2 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Allen’s success won’t START

until the running STOPS.

 

its fools good.

dont fall for it.

 

he gets the BOTD because he is a Rookie.

 

but his true success won’t START until the running STOPS.

 

I agree, he should sit in the pocket and take the beating, he might even survive. Or throw picks because nobody’s open. Maybe we can punt our way back the the line of scrimmage after all the sacks. 

 

He’s got a LONG way to go, but today was very encouraging. Sketchy start, but he came around and put the offense on his shoulders. I don’t want him running TOO much, but we lose by 3+ TD’s today without his legs. At least he knows when to slide or go OB. It works for Russell Wilson. 

 

It’s a work in progress. 

[Bill_with_it]

52 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

 

Only issue I have is none of these runs are designed.

 

They are not part of Dabols Offense.  So on these runs...The Bills are not executing the offfense game plan.

 

either Allen can’t see the field or is refusing to throw or other areas are failing.

 

every time he runs...the play has failed.  He’s had over 200 rushing yards in 2 weeks.  That’s ALOT of broken/failed plays.

Thats not true empty back field qb draw is in his gameplan, the coach and oc has said so. Granted not all of them are qb draws, however if a lane is open and your wrs are locked up get yards and get down. It slows the pass rush and opens other players up.

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He is good

The pass to Demarco for a thirty yard gain where Josh took some muster off of his fast ball and shown that he is capable of throwing with touch demonstrated to me that he is progressing as a passer as opposed to a thrower. He is going to be real good. What was also encouraging about this game is the play of Zay Jones. He certainly is playing up to his draft status. 

 

What this game also demonstrates is that the organization has to stress improving the OL and the receiver corp in the offseason. The player who needs to go is Benjamin. His indifferent play should not be tolerated. 

[vincec]

7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Irrespective of the ups and downs, the most dynamic and best player on the field today was Allen.

For either team. The game was clearly in his hands.

[tcampbell104]

56 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

 

Only issue I have is none of these runs are designed.

 

They are not part of Dabols Offense.  So on these runs...The Bills are not executing the offfense game plan.

 

either Allen can’t see the field or is refusing to throw or other areas are failing.

 

every time he runs...the play has failed.  He’s had over 200 rushing yards in 2 weeks.  That’s ALOT of broken/failed plays.

they drafted him high because of his athletic ability, compare him to someone like elway, that seemed to work out okay

[Matt_In_NH]

Lots of missed ipportunities by this team but Allen showed us a lot today.   If he can get his accuracy down he will be a real weapon.  

[RevWarRifleman]

2 hours ago, Steptide said:

Looked depleted in his post game pc. This dude is a gamer. I have no doubt he's gonna be great if he can continue to develop every week 

The kid's got the heart of a lion. I loved it when the camera showed him over on the sidelines firing up the offense. With more reps, the kid's going to be fine.

[BuffaloButt]

2 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Just stop.

 

The kid is the closest thing we have seen to John Elway since Elway was young.

 

His true success will include his running ability.

I heard the announcer compare him to Steve Young!  I like that comparison and hope that his passing continues to develop which we have definitely seen as of late!  Dude is flat out balling and running away from defenders!

[WideNine]

2 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Just stop.

 

The kid is the closest thing we have seen to John Elway since Elway was young.

 

His true success will include his running ability.

 

Don't sweat the trolling...and all the whining. He stiff arms one defender, spins away from another, jukes a third before getting a 40 yard pass off across his body and you get the guys asking "what's with the wobbly ball?". Seriously?

 

Even Lofton was talking about how Josh Allen was taking less damage scrambling (for over 100 yards) than when he stayed in the pocket and was getting hit late over and over. After one late hit where the defender (a DT over 300lbs) fork lifted Josh and landed with his full weight driving him to the turf, Josh looked up at the ref like what gives? The camera caught the Miami player laughing as he walked away - no call of course.

 

 

 

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Today was the first game all season where I believed the Bill's best chance to win the game was to put the ball in Allen's hands.  Forget the final score, today was a great day to be a Buffalo Bills fan.

 

Edited December 3, 2018 by Inigo Montoya

[peterpan]

2 hours ago, Success said:

Allen was amazing.  Can’t believe all of the “but this and that pass weren’t perfect” stuff.

He wasn't amazing.  He missed about 8-10 passes which an amazing QB would.only miss 2-3 of those.  

 

His passes that weren't perfect cost us the game.  Like the miss to wide open Zay Jones in the end zone.  And the wobbly ball to Clay.  Then there was the long bomb overthrow to Foster.  That's three missed TD passes.  17 points.  His 2nd int was a bad ball too, KB was open.  There were others too. I don't expect him to make every throw but he needs.more of those throws in the future

[Nextmanup]

Remove Allen's running highlight plays--of which there have been many--and you don't have a lot leftover.  

 

Here's the thing: the running will eventually be stopped by opposing defenses and it doesn't win many games in the NFL to begin with.   

[Steptide]

Anyone know what the record is for a qb running in a game? Allen had 135 today, that's gotta be close

[billspro]

3 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Allen’s success won’t START

until the running STOPS.

 

its fools good.

dont fall for it.

 

he gets the BOTD because he is a Rookie.

 

but his true success won’t START until the running STOPS.

 

Completely disagree, his running is a weapon. He should use it, especially his first three years in the league. His passing will continue to develop and surpass his running in time.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

Remove Allen's running highlight plays--of which there have been many--and you don't have a lot leftover.  

 

Here's the thing: the running will eventually be stopped by opposing defenses and it doesn't win many games in the NFL to begin with.   

Yeah, take away what was wildly successful and it wasn’t that good. Allen played a great game. 

 

It it was interesting though. My brother was a college QB and we almost always see things the same way. I came away today with a ton of optimism.  He did not.  Allen has a lot of development ahead of him but we should feel great about the progress.