What does Josh Allen need to do in Bills last 6 games?

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

Kurt Warner went Undrafted. So, you're telling me there's a chance?

There’s always a chance and I hope it happens.    Warner was his conferences player of the year and got great experience in the AFL and Nfl Europe before the nfl.  I wish Allen could have done that.

[BuffAlone]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

There’s always a chance and I hope it happens.    Warner was his conferences player of the year and got great experience in the AFL and Nfl Europe before the nfl.  I wish Allen could have done that.

I wish more than that for Josh. Just prove 6 other clubs wrong and I'm good with that lol! That said...

I'm thus far good with his rookie year. Gimme another 6 games to see, and we'll go from there. 

In hindsight, I was never on the EJ train. Never on the Losman train. I did,however, like captain checkdown for a minute lmao

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Ok, I misinterpreted.  Of course, I did a tongue in cheek think comparing Allen to Tyrod.  Isn’t that why we got rid of Tyrod?  He won’t lose us games but he rarely won them.  I know he’s young but man, I want more out of our highest drafted qb ever.

I'd be fine if he was as proficient as Tyrod in his last 6 games. I think Allen's aspirations are higher than Tyrod's, though. Tyrod has no sense of urgency. He plays it safe almost 100% of the time.

 

I want to see Allen be urgent and not lose the game.

 

For Allen not to lose, he just needs to be successful in what he's trying to do: command the offense, connect on the deep ball, take advantage of mismatches, work the deep middle...whatever Daboll is asking him to do, I want to see him be successful overall.

 

Up to this point, I don't think he has been. The deep ball and pre-snap reads have been unsuccessful. He also noted himself that he needs to do a better job commanding the offense.

[Bills Fan of St Augustine]

Just Survive

[BuffAlone]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not be the worst starting qb in the nfl like he was pre injury.

 

 

i know people don’t want to hear it but he is off to a worst start to his career than EJ Manuel.  I still think EJ was put in awful situation (just like we repeated with Allen now) but he never took the next step.  I’m still not a fan of the pick but if he can take the next step (over 150 yards passing!!!), I would feel slightly better.

Jeesh...I watched every throw of both. Josh is way better already. I don't care about stats.I don't care about scheme. I don't care about surrounding cast. T hats the eyeball test...Josh is better. 

Was he statistically the worst starting QB in the league, prior injury? Show me

[billsredneck1]

forgive me if it's been said...and i hope i'm not giving anything away here, but the kid has the best play fake since boomer e. 

 

if he can pull a few of those and foster/ thompson  just keep on  running........bad things man..

[Rocky Landing]

Not learn bad habits behind a terrible O-line that can't offer adequate protection, and wide receivers that can't get separation, or make plays.

[PlayoffsPlease]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I hope people don’t really think this.  Besides the top 5 guys, it’s insanely stupid to judge qbs on their records.  Allen “won” a game with 80 yards passing while Mahomes just “lost” one with 500 yards and 6 tds.

winning is better than losing in football

[without a drought]

60 TD,   6,000 Yards

 

 

 

 

But I'll settle for him looking better than he did in his first batch of games.

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I've never judged a QB on the team record and wouldn't do so with Josh Allen, either.

 

Certainly, Mahomes didn't lose that game.

 

That said, I want to see Josh Allen not lose.

 

Um...Mahomes personally turned the ball over 5 times.  So for as much as the Chiefs were in the game because of Mahomes, they also lost because of him including letting the defense score.  I mean they lost by 3, of course those turnovers mattered a ton including throwing a pick with a chance to still tie the game.  

 

So he certainly was a heavy contributor to that loss, and one could argue the main reason they lost.  I mean he gave the Rams personally 14 points and the ball 3 more times on top of that in a game they lost by 3.

 

Gaudy stats doesn't mean the turnovers get ignored when they directly lead to the loss.  Kudos to the kid, he fought his tail off, but the turnovers cost the Chiefs the game.  Kid will be alright, he has a short memory and is a fiery competitor...but he still gets to own his turnovers that were the difference in the game.  

Edited November 22, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Doc Brown]

-Better pre-snap adjustments.

-Go through reads quicker.

-Don't bail out of pocket too soon.  Maneuver around to buy more time.

-Aggressive but not reckless.

-Don't try and hurdle somebody.

[Mat68]

Go .500 plus.  I would personally like to see a solid 4 quarters of offense game sprinkled in.

[PromoTheRobot]

What does Allen need to do the rest of the way? Go 6-0!

[KD in CA]

Improve

[RussellDopeland]

On the field, he just should continue to play with zeal. He has great fire and passion, and that's a solid foundation. I want to see him take advantage of his arm and going deep as much as possible (Aaron Rodgers, when the play breaks down, always seems inclined to throw deep- Allen should seek to emulate this approach). Off the field, at least according to pontificators in another thread, Allen should immediately adopt a kid and start beating him with a belt.

[eball]

Win ‘em all. 

[LeGOATski]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Um...Mahomes personally turned the ball over 5 times.  So for as much as the Chiefs were in the game because of Mahomes, they also lost because of him including letting the defense score.  I mean they lost by 3, of course those turnovers mattered a ton including throwing a pick with a chance to still tie the game.  

 

So he certainly was a heavy contributor to that loss, and one could argue the main reason they lost.  I mean he gave the Rams personally 14 points and the ball 3 more times on top of that in a game they lost by 3.

 

Gaudy stats doesn't mean the turnovers get ignored when they directly lead to the loss.  Kudos to the kid, he fought his tail off, but the turnovers cost the Chiefs the game.  Kid will be alright, he has a short memory and is a fiery competitor...but he still gets to own his turnovers that were the difference in the game.  

You got me. I didn't even watch it. ?

 

I was trusting @C.Biscuit97

 

The point remains the same.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Would love to see him put up at least one 300 yd game with 3 passing TD’s so we know he is at least capable of pulling those benchmarks off—otherwise just give me competency flashes I can remember during the times he struggles.

[uticaclub]

Look like he can make an NFL throw from the pocket

 

Play a full 4 quarters of good football

[Domdab99]

more TDs than INTs and I'll be happy

[BillsFan1988]

11 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

-2:1 TD to INT

-Play his best game of the year

-Get rid of the ball quicker

-Play above league average on 3rd down

-Flourish in the red zone 

 

Is this jeopardy ? Things Allen will never learn.

[habes1280]

This doesn't seem to be the year, the team, or the player to measure statistics.  I'd like to see signs that he can do what successful quarterbacks do: dictate to the defense instead of simply taking what they give him, work through his reads and find the right targets for his throws, make those throws from time to time, and finally, show that the offense can count on him to provide a spark, make a play, or lead the offense down the field in adverse circumstances.

 

He doesn't have to consistently do ANY of these things, let alone all of them.  I understand that he's developing.  I just need to see signs that he has these qualities in him-- so stated another way, I need to see him do these things SOMETIMES, and I need to see him doing more of these things by the end of the season than he was at the beginning of it (an admittedly high bar given his performance against the Vikings).

 

He can turn the ball over, make bad decisions, bad reads, bad throws; I just need to see that he can make good ones, as well, and that he's getting incrementally closer to where we need him to be to lead this offense, and this team, at some point in the not-too-distant future.

[row_33]

Master the art of running for his life without it looking like Happy Feet

 

[RaoulDuke79]

Stay healthy. 

[JM57]

I'm sure it's been said but:

 

Pass for more than 85 yards a game is the biggest thing. 

Don't tuck the ball and run at the slightest hint of pressure

Go through progressions and deliver on schedule

 

His WR group still isn't great BUT I think it's improved since he last played, especially with the addition of Thompson as a field stretcher, and it did look like Foster's PS stint made him hungry. There needs to be some semblance of progress in these 6 games.

[Jpsredemption]

Show signs of competence because if it's me running the team I'm looking at all options at QB next year and his garbage play thus far is not working in his favor.

1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Stay healthy. 

Is that the standard? How about some progress or signs he can actually move a team down the field?

[row_33]

41 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

Show signs of competence because if it's me running the team I'm looking at all options at QB next year and his garbage play thus far is not working in his favor.

Is that the standard? How about some progress or signs he can actually move a team down the field?

 

they aren't mutually exclusive

 

hopefully he has that tough SOB inner core that Jim Kelly had to take the weekly brutal beating of not having much protection out there

 

[Jay_Fixit]

Maintain his handsomeness.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

17 hours ago, freddyjj said:

Lead Bills to wins in 4 of 6 remaining games.

 

1500 yds passing.  9 TDs, 3 INTs.  

240 yds rushing, 3 TDs.

 

Develop rapport with Jones, Croom, McKenzie and Foster.

 

Because all of them will surely be here starting september 2019

[C.Biscuit97]

14 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Um...Mahomes personally turned the ball over 5 times.  So for as much as the Chiefs were in the game because of Mahomes, they also lost because of him including letting the defense score.  I mean they lost by 3, of course those turnovers mattered a ton including throwing a pick with a chance to still tie the game.  

 

So he certainly was a heavy contributor to that loss, and one could argue the main reason they lost.  I mean he gave the Rams personally 14 points and the ball 3 more times on top of that in a game they lost by 3.

 

Gaudy stats doesn't mean the turnovers get ignored when they directly lead to the loss.  Kudos to the kid, he fought his tail off, but the turnovers cost the Chiefs the game.  Kid will be alright, he has a short memory and is a fiery competitor...but he still gets to own his turnovers that were the difference in the game.  

If Josh Allen could ever have that same exact game, you would never post this.  Never.

[Jerome007]

19 hours ago, Wroughting said:

A deep ball would be nice! 

YESSSS

 

I agree with almost all posts but I also want to see the Bills O stretch the field. He has the arm, use it!

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

33 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

If Josh Allen could ever have that same exact game, you would never post this.  Never.

 

Well that’s a lie.  When Fitz took over and threw all those TDs on the vaulted Ravens D and we still loss cuz of his turnovers I was all over him for that while people here were crowning him the next Favre.

 

Ive posted here long enough for you to know I don’t post with bias.  If Allen had a 6TD game but had 5 turnovers and we lost....I’d be excited for the kid, but also clearly understand the turnovers lost us the game.  

 

If Allen had the same game, all you would do is focus on turnovers to sell your narrative he isn’t good enough.  You’d be saying. How bad the Rams D is and that’s why he had 6TDs then say he sucks cuz he turned the ball over 5 times to a bad defense.

 

If you cant acknowledge that 5 turnovers, including 2 that gave up defensive TDs, didn’t direclty contribute to the loss for KC then I don’t know what to tell you.  I mean with a chance to tie the game he threw another pcim to seal the loss.

 

Kid had a helluva game, but the only stat that matters is the win/loss column...his mistakes cost them the W as much as heroics kept them in the game.  But he lost and gets to own that and move on.  Doesn’t diminish his season, but fanboys can never accept accountability, you guys act like it means he sucks or something.  Best QBs in history all had games they lost for their teams.  He lost this game, period.  He also fought back and almost stole it, but in the end, he couldn’t over come his 5 turnovers and Chiefs lost.  

Edited November 22, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Bookie Man]

Eat souls of defensive backs

[Mike in Horseheads]

Win them all and take the Bills back to the playoffs.?

[Kangaxx]

11 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

If Josh Allen could ever have that same exact game, you would never post this.  Never.

Why don't you just become a Chiefs fan? 

[Dadonkadonk]

On 11/21/2018 at 12:52 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

-2:1 TD to INT

-Play his best game of the year

-Get rid of the ball quicker

-Play above league average on 3rd down

-Flourish in the red zone 

 

Perfect answer. 

[bills11]

Show improvement in processing what he's seeing..show improved anticipation and ball placement..show improved pocket presence and patience 

[frostbitmic]

Play ... Experience is a great thing, Everything else will take care of itself.

[KW95 - JA17]

Try to hit receivers in the hands, not 15 yards above or short.  ( The next EJ Manual )

[freddyjj]

On 11/22/2018 at 9:27 AM, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Because all of them will surely be here starting september 2019

not sure if you were being sarcastic but Foster and Mcenzie with TDs today