Kelvin Benjamin needs to be cut

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 hours ago, WideNine said:

Did you see the pass that was popped up - the Jets db's were diving and trying to pull it out of the turf while Benjamin stood there and did not even make an effort to knock it down or anything. I have seen this behavior before and shocked that McDermott would bring a player like that on this team. Runs counter to the culture he claims he is trying to foster.

 

I agree - needs to be cut... all the skill potential in the world does not make up for coaching staff turning a blind eye to that kind of attitude/effort.

 

Saw that one too,  That may have been his worse effort of the year.  Camera angles can be bad, but from what the TV showed, looked like he would have had a good chance to catch it.  That play alone is worth getting cut over.

 

Kind of funny the one game he looked good was the pre-season against Carolina as he had something to prove.  Since then, nothing!

[LABILLBACKER]

2 plays today disgusted me. First the dropped td where he always makes the catch only to act like the weakest player in the room. A 2 yr old could punch that ball out. The second came later when a ball was deflected up in the air near him and he just stood there. He was as close to that ball as the other dbs. He just doesn't care anymore and clearly wants nothing to do with this team. Trade him, cut him,  we don't care but get his malcontent butt off this roster.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

2 plays today disgusted me. First the dropped td where he always makes the catch only to act like the weakest player in the room. A 2 yr old could punch that ball out. The second came later when a ball was deflected up in the air near him and he just stood there. He was as close to that ball as the other dbs. He just doesn't care anymore and clearly wants nothing to do with this team. Trade him, cut him,  we don't care but get his malcontent butt off this roster.

 

Dude, the trade deadline is in the rear view mirror at this point.

 

Cutting Benjamin means we keep paying his big fat salary and he gets to join another team.

 

I would personally be chill with bench him, make him inactive.

 

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, MDH said:

I don’t want him cut because I think that’s what he wants. Don’t give him the chance to move to a winning team, make him suffer this season with the rest of us.

Winning teams don't want a lackadaisical and non-productive player like him. 

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, MDH said:

I don’t want him cut because I think that’s what he wants. Don’t give him the chance to move to a winning team, make him suffer this season with the rest of us.

 

I would like to see Beane pluck another guy from a deep teams PS cut Peterman and have Benjamin an "Inactive" on game day.

Show the team if you don't play hard you sit.

[WideNine]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Dude, the trade deadline is in the rear view mirror at this point.

 

Cutting Benjamin means we keep paying his big fat salary and he gets to join another team.

 

Good point, and someone else mentioned letting him play elsewhere may be exactly what he wants - so we put up with his lame attitude and we keep him, but I would sit him the rest of the way and play any PS kid we have that shows some heart and hands.

[ILBillsfan]

I like the thought of just making him inactive

 

[The Frankish Reich]

If his contract year doesn't motivate him, I'm guessing nothing will. I've been a semi-defender of Benjamin, but that tipped ball play was inexcusable.

[BuffaloBob]

On 11/5/2018 at 11:34 AM, Cugalabanza said:

 

Hmmm...  Could we just have Zay Jones stop telling him where and what time to show up for the game each week?  Just sort of let it work itself out naturally.

Kind of like what Pink Floyd did with Sid Barret??

[Kirby Jackson]

 

[Maynard]

Drop him. Guy is worthless right now. Maybe he will get less money at his next stop because of this.

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

The dude has no heart.  I was disgusted seeing him just standing there on that tipped pass.  Dudes from 5 yards away made a play for the ball.  He was a couple feet away.

[Maynard]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

The dude has no heart.  I was disgusted seeing him just standing there on that tipped pass.  Dudes from 5 yards away made a play for the ball.  He was a couple feet away.

Yup, that one really pissed me off too. He isn’t even trying anymore. 

[BobbyC81]

9 hours ago, WideNine said:

Did you see the pass that was popped up - the Jets db's were diving and trying to pull it out of the turf while Benjamin stood there and did not even make an effort to knock it down or anything. I have seen this behavior before and shocked that McDermott would bring a player like that on this team. Runs counter to the culture he claims he is trying to foster.

 

I agree - needs to be cut... all the skill potential in the world does not make up for coaching staff turning a blind eye to that kind of attitude/effort.

 

Yes, sometimes it’s hard to judge from the sideline camera how close a player actually is to the ball but I thought the same as you on that play. He may have been in the best position to dive and get it, or not even need to dive.

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Dude, the trade deadline is in the rear view mirror at this point.

 

Cutting Benjamin means we keep paying his big fat salary and he gets to join another team.

 

I would personally be chill with bench him, make him inactive.

 

Good then bench his sorry ass

[MJS]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Good then bench his sorry ass

 

That's what I want, but I wonder if that makes him a huge locker room cancer. I wonder if benching him does more harm than good.

 

But I do think they should either cut him or bench him. He is a worthless sack of potatoes out there. In our most productive offensive game of the season, our supposed #1 WR doesn't get a single catch?! That's on him, not anyone else.

Edited November 12, 2018 by MJS

[Mountain Man]

8 hours ago, mannc said:

If we keep KB through this season and he signs elsewhere, don't we get a comp pick?

No chance we'll get comp picks. With so much cap space we'll be active in free agency and sign far more free agents than we lose

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Cutting Benjamin means we keep paying his big fat salary and he gets to join another team.

 

I would personally be chill with bench him, make him inactive.

 

If you are going to make him inactive you may as well cut him. It doesn't change the amount of money we pay him but you can use the roster spot for someone who could be active.

 

Making him inactive makes little sense

[CSBill]

Cutting him means we eat the salary, and he can go play somewhere else. But he is an obvious liability on the field--except to his coaches?

 

Just deactivate him.

 

Yesterday showed there are other WRs willing to work hard and give effort, and when things are executed well, they can make the plays. Benjamin has not shown that once this season.

 

It baffles me that they keep running him out there.

[Victory Formation]

I can put up with talented headcases like OBJ and Terrell Owens but I cannot put up with headcases like Kelvin Benjamin. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

[Mountain Man]

16 minutes ago, CSBill said:

Cutting him means we eat the salary, and he can go play somewhere else. But he is an obvious liability on the field--except to his coaches?

 

Just deactivate him.

 

Yesterday showed there are other WRs willing to work hard and give effort, and when things are executed well, they can make the plays. Benjamin has not shown that once this season.

 

It baffles me that they keep running him out there.

We pay his salary whatever we do. Personally I'd rather cut him and use his roster on a young player who we spend a few seeing if they have value for the future

[CSBill]

2 minutes ago, Mountain Man said:

We pay his salary whatever we do. Personally I'd rather cut him and use his roster on a young player who we spend a few seeing if they have value for the future

 

Yeah, I get it. Either way, we need to be done with him.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Mountain Man said:

No chance we'll get comp picks. With so much cap space we'll be active in free agency and sign far more free agents than we lose

If you are going to make him inactive you may as well cut him. It doesn't change the amount of money we pay him but you can use the roster spot for someone who could be active.

 

Making him inactive makes little sense

 

That depends - do you have another player that you have great confidence can be more productive?

 

Foster had his shot earlier in the season and muffed it.  He spent some time on the practice squad, yesterday he looked as though he may have put that time to good use.

 

There's no question Benjamin *can* play and play well.  I think he's been in "career preservation mode" on the theory that the Bills QB will be perceived as unable to get him the ball so why try.  When the Bills rack up passing yards in the single digits or even <200 yds (which is 7 games this year) and none of the WR are anywhere near 100 ypg, he can make that case "give me a shot, my QB sucked with the Bills, just look at the stats". 

 

A couple more games where 2 WR not named Benjamin push 100 ypg and he can't make that argument to support for his future contract, so just maybe he'd start playing.

[Niagara Dude]

On 11/5/2018 at 11:04 AM, TwistofFate said:

I've never seen a more lazy, unfocused, wide out in my life.   It's obvious why Carolina got rid of him.  

 

This guy can't catch a cold.  To make matters even worse, he lays on the ground after every play smiling, waiting for someone to help him up. 

 

He is a disease, and needs to be purged from this team. 

 

This roster is terrible!!! 

First the play in the end zone is the main reason why we traded for him and he could not box out smaller defender who was able to rip ball out.  The play that Bills management cannot slide is pass that was tipped and falls to the ground right in front of him.  He makes no effort to dive and make a play on the ball,  very bad example for any young players and he needs to go.

[Mountain Man]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That depends - do you have another player that you have great confidence can be more productive?

No, which is precisely why it's the thing to do. You have a chance to test someone for a few games with very little risk, the Bills have very little to play for now, so you may as well use the time to help next season. You have a 6 game tryout period 

 

Benjamin is not being re-signed at the end of the season, and there is nothing more to learn about him

[Braedenstearns]

Anyone have a video of his TD drop yesterday?

[JESSEFEFFER]

For the he tipped ball play, his momentum was to the sideline and his feet were off the ground until the ball was 4 or 5 ft and a fraction of a second from the turf.  I don't think he had any real chance at the ball unless he could defy laws of Newtonian physics, but the camera shot from the far sideline gives it a bad look.  A high endzone shot from behind would not have give the same impression, imo.

[BillsMafia13]

4 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

For the he tipped ball play, his momentum was to the sideline and his feet were off the ground until the ball was 4 or 5 ft and a fraction of a second from the turf.  I don't think he had any real chance at the ball unless he could defy laws of Newtonian physics, but the camera shot from the far sideline gives it a bad look.  A high endzone shot from behind would not have give the same impression, imo.

Zay Jones doesnt care about this Newton guy and his "physics" .  Why should KB?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, BillsMafia13 said:

Zay Jones doesnt care about this Newton guy and his "physics" .  Why should KB?

 

...and a helluva game for this kid.......11 targets and 8 receptions.....rounding into expected form.................

[YoloinOhio]

48 minutes ago, Mountain Man said:

No, which is precisely why it's the thing to do. You have a chance to test someone for a few games with very little risk, the Bills have very little to play for now, so you may as well use the time to help next season. You have a 6 game tryout period 

 

Benjamin is not being re-signed at the end of the season, and there is nothing more to learn about him

I hate him as much as anyone, but he’s a UFA and will enter into the comp pick equation when he signs somewhere else. So it made sense that they tried to trade him for a pick, but doesn’t make sense from a GM’s standpoint to cut him at this point. 

[GG]

13 hours ago, mannc said:

If we keep KB through this season and he signs elsewhere, don't we get a comp pick?

 

He will definitely count in the comp pick formula, which is why they are keeping him.   As long as he's not a locker room cancer, there's little value in cutting him outright.   Yesterday he showed his value as the decoy because he still commands double coverage.

 

It will be interesting to see how defenses adapt to his new role and if they roll coverage to the other guys.  It did help having Barkley under center who can get past his first reads.

[longtimebillsfan]

Yes, cut Benjamin and use that roster spot to keep Allen Barkley and Allen's mentor Anderson. 

[NewEra]

I also thought he should be cut.  Now, I just think he should be a healthy scratch each week. Let him sit on the sidelines and rot.  Cutting him just gives him the opportunity to play for a potential playoff team.  He doesn’t deserve the playoffs. He’s garbage.  Quite possibly my most hated bill ever.

[Mountain Man]

36 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I hate him as much as anyone, but he’s a UFA and will enter into the comp pick equation when he signs somewhere else. So it made sense that they tried to trade him for a pick, but doesn’t make sense from a GM’s standpoint to cut him at this point. 

We aren't getting comp picks. We have a load of cap space and very few free agents leaving. We won't be anywhere close to getting comp picks. Cutting Benjamin wouldn't change that. Given the cap/free agent situation, there isn't a team less likely to get comp picks, aside from possibly the Jets

37 minutes ago, GG said:

 

He will definitely count in the comp pick formula, which is why they are keeping him.

Yes he counts, no it won't matter.

 

To get comp picks you need to sign less free agents than you let go. The Bills have loads of cap space, and very few agents.

 

I know people love the idea of comp picks, but this year it ain't happening. No chance. Zero.

[JESSEFEFFER]

4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...and a helluva game for this kid.......11 targets and 8 receptions.....rounding into expected form.................

Yes it was.  Bill Polian was faced with a decision about either extending Edgerin James or Reggie Wayne who both mainstays of a great Colts offense.  He signed Wayne and let James go with the reasoning that it took more time to develop Wayne as player than James and that Wayne was therefore tougher for the offense to replace. 

 

This is to make the point that it used to be the norm that WRs took more time to become good pros than most any other position and you shouldn't rush to call a rookie WR a bust.  Eric Moulds seems like the best example of this from the Bills history.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

19 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

Yes it was.  Bill Polian was faced with a decision about either extending Edgerin James or Reggie Wayne who both mainstays of a great Colts offense.  He signed Wayne and let James go with the reasoning that it took more time to develop Wayne as player than James and that Wayne was therefore tougher for the offense to replace. 

 

This is to make the point that it used to be the norm that WRs took more time to become good pros than most any other position and you shouldn't rush to call a rookie WR a bust.  Eric Moulds seems like the best example of this from the Bills history.

 

....great assessment....thanks..........

[CommonCents]

4 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Yes, cut Benjamin and use that roster spot to keep Allen Barkley and Allen's mentor Anderson. 

Did Anderson have a reputation as a good mentor before arriving in Buffalo? Is this just a fan thing? Why is anyone convinced he would be a better mentor than Barkley? 

[longtimebillsfan]

39 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Did Anderson have a reputation as a good mentor before arriving in Buffalo? Is this just a fan thing? Why is anyone convinced he would be a better mentor than Barkley? 

He is older, there for he must be better...Right?

46 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Did Anderson have a reputation as a good mentor before arriving in Buffalo? Is this just a fan thing? Why is anyone convinced he would be a better mentor than Barkley? 

Seriously, Anderson seems to really into being Allen's  mentor.  He was sitting with him throughout the game.  he seemed to be explaining reads and fine points of the game after most plays, alt least what you could see.

[JoPar_v2]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

I also thought he should be cut.  Now, I just think he should be a healthy scratch each week. Let him sit on the sidelines and rot.  Cutting him just gives him the opportunity to play for a potential playoff team.  He doesn’t deserve the playoffs. He’s garbage.  Quite possibly my most hated bill ever.

I think the coaches are coming around to this. KB’s usage was down this week (51%). Personally I wouldn’t care if it dropped to zero.

Edited November 12, 2018 by JoPar_v2

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I hate him as much as anyone, but he’s a UFA and will enter into the comp pick equation when he signs somewhere else. So it made sense that they tried to trade him for a pick, but doesn’t make sense from a GM’s standpoint to cut him at this point. 

 

Yeah - couldn't trade him for anything.  Even if he gets a 1 year junk deal it still counts as the net player lost.  

 

However if you look at the players that we have on that list... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/ufa/buffalo-bills/  - and the likelihood of something of a spending spree.   I don't think 2020 comp picks are in the cards ?