BobbyC81 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t care if they agree with me. I have zero interest in Derek Carr. He is the most overrated QB of the last decade. I guess that I need to add IMO. Yeah, but based on what? Don't lower yourself to the level of the morons on here who say things like "Zay Jones is the worst WR ever." , "McDermott is the worst coach ever" without data to back it up. Edited October 19, 2018 by LittleJoeCartwright 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: An offer I think would get it done is. Benjamin, 2018 2nd, 2019 Conditional 3rd that can Elevate to a 1st. For Cooper and Carr then would have to redo Hughes Contract to lower this years hit to fit them both. And maybe even do something with Shady’s number and Clays. Just to fit them under this years cap. This trade puts playoffs this year back on the table (if they did it) and gives Josh the Aaron Rodgers Development timeline (perfect situation for him) You have a better, well thought out idea. Since the Raiders also need a pass rush, maybe they'll also take Shaq Lawson. I can't believe Gruden's idea of a rebuild includes getting rid of a 27 year old QB, a 27 year old pass rushing demon (Mack) and a 24 year old WR (Cooper), all Pro Bowl talents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Wow. How incompetent and arrogant is Gruden? What a tragic (if humorous) mistake by the Raiders. It may take them years to reach DelRio's 6 wins. And they are stuck with the guy, it seems, or lose @ $100 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 35 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t care if they agree with me. I have zero interest in Derek Carr. He is the most overrated QB of the last decade. I guess that I need to add IMO. You have to be first rated to be overrated. Bills haven't had a QB rated in two decades. A 1st and 3rd for Cooper and Carr. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Id pull the trigger on this and sit and develop Allen at least two years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 After this year, Carr has 4 years $79m left on his contract with no guarantees. So you can basically cut him whenever you want. If somebody doesn’t give up at least a 2nd rounder for him, Carr must be damaged goods. Keenum and Bradford are making that kind of money. Has Carr fallen that far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Are what the Raiders doing that much different than what McBeane did? (Ducks) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0-Technique Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Trade for Carr and suddenly legit free agent receivers will come to play here next year. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said: It's almost as if Gruden is purposely ruining the Raiders........and im being serious. It is possible ... his contract is guaranteed and maybe he just wanted a big payday from Raiders which he believes he should have gotten when he was coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 there's no way the Bills do this unless Allen is a Ryan Leaf scale bust which does appear to be the case. If Gruden does this he will make Matt Millen look like a genius. He will be the biggest embarrassment in Pro Football history since the Herschel Walker deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 No I don’t think so, we drafted a QB #7 ocerall we have to see what he can do and that contract Carr has is way too high. If this is true John Gruden is cleaning house. Crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 No thanks. He's the most overrated qb in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 57 minutes ago, LittleJoeCartwright said: Yeah, but based on what? Don't lower yourself to the level of the morons on here who say things like "Zay Jones is the worst WR ever." , "McDermott is the worst coach ever" without data to back it up. I’m not saying that he is “the worst QB ever.” I am saying that I have no interest in a 1st or 2nd and $20M for a QB that I think is no better than Tyrod. He gets baited all of the time and turns it over more than he should. This isn’t hyperbole. Derek Carr, at Derek Carr’s cost is a hard pass from me. He’s not a top 20 QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, stuvian said: there's no way the Bills do this unless Allen is a Ryan Leaf scale bust which does appear to be the case. Horsecrap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 hours ago, LeGOATski said: You're way overthinking this. There's a legitimate franchise QB available. The type of guy the Bills can sit Allen behind for the 2-3 years he needs to develop. If he's ready to start then the Bills can move one of them for great value. Carr will still be young, too. Bills fans should be clamoring for this to happen. This is why we can't have nice things. Please don’t mistake our difference of opinion regarding strategy after the fact for difference of opinion about Carr altogether. I’m all for getting him - he’ll, I’d pay a 1st rounder for him if it was just that straight up - given the premium market value on QBs. We just differ on what do once Carr is wearing the great Red, White, and Blue on Sunday’s. All good Bro...we’re basically on the same wavelength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 He has proven himself as a morethan capable starter. I am suprised to hear this if true. must mean we really screwed up trading them McCarran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just cuz he has a HAWT sister don't mean he is needed here...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Horsecrap so you've decided he's a bust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 24 minutes ago, 0-Technique said: Trade for Carr and suddenly legit free agent receivers will come to play here next year. Just WHO are these legit free agent wideouts? I seriously wanna know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 John Gruden is doing to the Raiders what Phil Jackson did to the Knicks. Both will leave much richer while leaving the franchises much worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 No decent QB is coming here voluntarily for at least the next 2 years with Allen on roster. We might actually be able to sign good free agent WR’s and TE’s with Carr on board. We have more than enough cap space the next few years. Carr could be cut anytime with no dead money. Cleveland traded pick #65 for Tyrod and paid him $16m. Carr is worth a 2nd rounder and $20m per year. Hopefully Allen works out but he isn’t ready. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 I would trade a 2nd round pick and a player to the Raiders for Carr. Carr is way ahead of Allen and JA could use the time on the pine to study and learn the complex NFL defenses so he knows what OL protection to call at the line. Our kid has amazing potential but he needs to study till the game slows down for him, he can be great. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, That's No Moon said: There has to be a tv segment of gruden slobbering all over Carr doesn't there? Yup. Edited October 20, 2018 by Golden Goat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: I would trade a 2nd round pick and a player to the Raiders for Carr. Carr is way ahead of Allen and JA could use the time on the pine to study and learn the complex NFL defenses so he knows what OL protection to call at the line. Our kid has amazing potential but he needs to study till the game slows down for him, he can be great. We already have a Derek. Why would we need another. Heck our guy was a full time starter in 2010. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bills Blog Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Not even kidding when I say this -- Carr is an outspoken Christian. This might have legs. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Giants would be dumb not to call and offer him a 2nd in 19 and 1st in 2020. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 4 hours ago, mannc said: This is Gruden’s response to that outing by Rosen and the Cards last night. He simply will not be denied the no. 1 overall pick. Unfortunately for him, he might just be one-and-done. No chance he's 1 and done. Absolutely 0%. He can do what he wants. He probably gets 4 to 5 years no matter what. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, BigBuff423 said: If you trade for Carr, you have to move Allen. Having that kind of controversy and constant debate isn’t healthy for the team. I don’t know what the Bills could get for him, but I just don’t think having both of them makes sense. Sure it makes sense. It puts them back to their original plan to let Allen sit. If you have Carr you have a young vet, who has shown at times that he can be a difference maker. If he plays to his potential consistently the Bills have years to let Allen simmer, and a trade chip that could recoup whatever pick they would give up for Carr (2nd/3rd rd pick). Carr also fits the on-field and off-field character of the process. Every GM in the league will kick the tires, Beane included, because that's part of the gig. I wouldn't anticipate the Bills making a serious move for Carr though. Cooper, I believe Beane would be serious about. Raiders ain't getting a first for Cooper, the Bills have $ to pay his new contract and they have 10 picks in April. They can spare one for a talent like Cooper; and trading for him helps them avoid the competition of Free Agency which will drive up his price. Edited October 20, 2018 by purple haze 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 5 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: He was scared as a child by a man whose sunglasses were retained by an effeminate chain. Keyshawn Johnson has a radio show out here and he called this. He said Gruden would start scapegoating players, and said Carr could be traded at some point... nothing will ever be Gruden's fault. Lo and behold... 5 hours ago, That's No Moon said: Except it's not just carr, it's carr and cooper and mack, etc. All of those players had more productive seasons than anyone the Bills let go, they are have no off field character issues we know of or consistent injury issues. Gruden doesnt seem to have a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Kwai San said: Just WHO are these legit free agent wideouts? I seriously wanna know.... The 2019 free agent class looks mediocre, although led by Golden Tate and Randall Cobb. There's also Funchess, Terrell Pryor (again) and Enumwa. I think Tate or Cobb would immediately be the Bills #1 receiver while the others, meh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinES3 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Gruden always had the hugest man-crush on Carr...Crazy... 2 hours ago, The Bills Blog said: Not even kidding when I say this -- Carr is an outspoken Christian. This might have legs. Whatever it takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 I was never a big Carr fan, but if we had an opportunity to take advantage of Gruden, I’m all for fleecing that fool. Flip him for more, when you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 He got paid and now he stinks...so naturally Bills fans think he would do good here with this bad line, bad coaching, bad receiver corps... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills! Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 If we can pay 16 million for tyrod we can pay 22 mill for a guy who does win games, he is very up and down. But allen can sit all of next year as well. I'd send a 2nd rounder all day. You can cut him any time after this year with no Cap issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: No chance he's 1 and done. Absolutely 0%. He can do what he wants. He probably gets 4 to 5 years no matter what. I admit, it’s unlikely, due to the amount they are paying him, but the chance is not zero. Gruden never should have been hired in the first place and Davis will realize that soon, if he hasn’t already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, mannc said: I admit, it’s unlikely, due to the amount they are paying him, but the chance is not zero. Gruden never should have been hired in the first place and Davis will realize that soon, if he hasn’t already. I agree with you on everything besides him possibly being fired this year. Davis has the least cash flow of any owner, part of that is why Mack was traded, or at least it was a rumor. I can't see them just chalking up 100 mil loss in 1 year. Edited October 20, 2018 by Ol Dirty B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 7 hours ago, NewDayBills said: My opinion: Jon Gruden will not make it in Oakland. He will for a while. The guy is guaranteed 100m bucks whether he coaches or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Degenerate Mike in HHDS said: ESPN Talking heads said the Raiders are shopping Derek Carr and said he "might" be had for a 2nd. What do you think he's worth? Wow what the hell is Gruden doing, it's not like Carr is a total bum , if we didn't have Allen I would be all over this. Broncos would love this, but no happening in division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, cba fan said: If they trade him now Raiders would have about 20 mill in dead cap spread out in 2018 and 19. And be out from under all the mega millions still owed. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/derek-carr-14445/ New team could cut him after this year for only a 7.5 mill dead cap. I could see this happening with Raiders rumored financial problems. Eh you're talking about Carr, we were talking about Gruden. Edit- that said I don't mind the possibility of trading for him or that your thought process is off when it comes to the raiders and Carr @cba fan Edited October 20, 2018 by Ol Dirty B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Id pick Carr up in a heartbeat. We passed on Carr because we had EJ and then traded up for Sammy Watkins instead of Mack. Thanks Doug Whaley. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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