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  1. 1. If The Raiders are shopping Derek Carr Whats he Worth?



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5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t care if they agree with me. I have zero interest in Derek Carr. He is the most overrated QB of the last decade. I guess that I need to add IMO. 

 

Yeah, but based on what?  

 

Don't lower yourself to the level of the morons on here who say things like "Zay Jones is the worst WR ever." , "McDermott is the worst coach ever" without data to back it up.

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1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

 

An offer I think would get it done is. 

 

Benjamin, 2018 2nd, 2019 Conditional 3rd that can Elevate to a 1st. 

 

For Cooper and Carr

 

then would have to redo Hughes Contract to lower this years hit to fit them both. And maybe even do something with Shady’s number and Clays. Just to fit them under this years cap. 

 

This trade puts playoffs this year back on the table (if they did it) and gives Josh the Aaron Rodgers Development timeline (perfect situation for him) 

 

You have a better, well thought out idea.  Since the Raiders also need a pass rush, maybe they'll also take Shaq Lawson.  

 

I can't believe Gruden's idea of a rebuild includes getting rid of a 27 year old QB, a 27 year old pass rushing demon (Mack) and a 24 year old WR (Cooper), all Pro Bowl talents.

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35 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t care if they agree with me. I have zero interest in Derek Carr. He is the most overrated QB of the last decade. I guess that I need to add IMO. 

You have to be first rated to be overrated.  Bills haven't had a QB rated in two decades. A 1st and 3rd for Cooper and Carr.

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After this year, Carr has 4 years $79m left on his contract with no guarantees.  So you can basically cut him whenever you want.  If somebody doesn’t give up at least a 2nd rounder for him, Carr must be damaged goods.  Keenum and Bradford are making that kind of money.  Has Carr fallen that far?

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2 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

It's almost as if Gruden is purposely ruining the Raiders........and im being serious. 

 

It is possible ... his contract is guaranteed and maybe he just wanted a big payday from Raiders which he believes he should have gotten when he was coach.

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there's no way the Bills do this unless Allen is a Ryan Leaf scale bust which does appear to be the case. 

 

If Gruden does this he will make Matt Millen look like a genius. He will be the biggest embarrassment in Pro Football history since the Herschel Walker deal

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57 minutes ago, LittleJoeCartwright said:

 

Yeah, but based on what?  

 

Don't lower yourself to the level of the morons on here who say things like "Zay Jones is the worst WR ever." , "McDermott is the worst coach ever" without data to back it up.

I’m not saying that he is “the worst QB ever.” I am saying that I have no interest in a 1st or 2nd and $20M for a QB that I think is no better than Tyrod. He gets baited all of the time and turns it over more than he should. This isn’t hyperbole. Derek Carr, at Derek Carr’s cost is a hard pass from me. He’s not a top 20 QB. 

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2 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

You're way overthinking this.

 

There's a legitimate franchise QB available. The type of guy the Bills can sit Allen behind for the 2-3 years he needs to develop. If he's ready to start then the Bills can move one of them for great value. Carr will still be young, too.

 

Bills fans should be clamoring for this to happen.

 

This is why we can't have nice things.

 

Please don’t mistake our difference of opinion regarding strategy after the fact for difference of opinion about Carr altogether. I’m all for getting him - he’ll, I’d pay a 1st rounder for him if it was just that straight up - given the premium market value on QBs. 

 

We just differ on what do once Carr is wearing the great Red, White, and Blue on Sunday’s. 

 

All good Bro...we’re basically on the same wavelength.

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No decent QB is coming here voluntarily for at least the next 2 years with Allen on roster.  We might actually be able to sign good free agent WR’s and TE’s with Carr on board.  We have more than enough cap space the next few years.  Carr could be cut anytime with no dead money.  Cleveland traded pick #65 for Tyrod and paid him $16m.  Carr is worth a 2nd rounder and $20m per year.  Hopefully Allen works out but he isn’t ready.  

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I would trade a 2nd round pick and a player to the Raiders for Carr. Carr is way ahead of Allen and JA could use the time on the pine to study and learn the complex NFL defenses so he knows what OL protection to call at the line. Our kid has amazing potential but he needs to study till the game slows down for him, he can be great.

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12 minutes ago, FearLess Price said:

I would trade a 2nd round pick and a player to the Raiders for Carr. Carr is way ahead of Allen and JA could use the time on the pine to study and learn the complex NFL defenses so he knows what OL protection to call at the line. Our kid has amazing potential but he needs to study till the game slows down for him, he can be great.

We already have a Derek.  Why would we need another. Heck our guy was a full time starter in 2010.  

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4 hours ago, mannc said:

This is Gruden’s response to that outing by Rosen and the Cards last night.  He simply  will not be denied the no. 1 overall pick.  Unfortunately for him, he might just be one-and-done.

 

No chance he's 1 and done. Absolutely 0%. He can do what he wants. He probably gets 4 to 5 years no matter what. 

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5 hours ago, BigBuff423 said:

If you trade for Carr, you have to move Allen. Having that kind of controversy and constant debate isn’t healthy for the team. I don’t know what the Bills could get for him, but I just don’t think having both of them makes sense.

Sure it makes sense.  It puts them back to their original plan to let Allen sit.  If you have Carr you have a young vet, who has shown at times that he can be a difference maker.  If he plays to his potential consistently the Bills have years to let Allen simmer, and a trade chip that could recoup whatever pick they would give up for Carr (2nd/3rd rd pick). Carr also fits the on-field and off-field character of the process.

 

Every GM in the league will kick the tires, Beane included, because that's part of the gig.  I wouldn't anticipate the Bills making a serious move for Carr though.  Cooper, I believe Beane would be serious about.  Raiders ain't getting a first for Cooper, the Bills have $ to pay his new contract and they have 10 picks in April.  They can spare one for a talent like Cooper; and trading for him helps them avoid the competition of Free Agency which will drive up his price.

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5 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

He was scared as a child by a man whose sunglasses were retained by an effeminate chain.

Keyshawn Johnson has a radio show out here and he called this.  He said Gruden would start scapegoating players, and said Carr could be traded at some point...  nothing will ever be Gruden's fault.  Lo and behold...

5 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

Except it's not just carr, it's carr and cooper and mack, etc.

All of those players had more productive seasons than anyone the Bills let go, they are have no off field character issues we know of or consistent injury issues.  Gruden doesnt seem to have a plan.

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2 hours ago, Kwai San said:

 

Just WHO are these legit free agent wideouts?  I seriously wanna know....

 

The 2019 free agent class looks mediocre, although led by Golden Tate and Randall Cobb.   There's also Funchess, Terrell Pryor (again) and Enumwa.   I think Tate or Cobb would immediately be the Bills #1 receiver while the others, meh.

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If we can pay 16 million for tyrod we can pay 22 mill for a guy who does win games, he is very up and down. But allen can sit all of next year as well. I'd send a 2nd rounder all day. You can cut him any time after this year with no Cap issues.

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2 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

No chance he's 1 and done. Absolutely 0%. He can do what he wants. He probably gets 4 to 5 years no matter what. 

I admit, it’s unlikely, due to the amount they are paying him, but the chance is not zero.  Gruden never should have been hired in the first place and Davis will realize that soon, if he hasn’t already.

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6 minutes ago, mannc said:

I admit, it’s unlikely, due to the amount they are paying him, but the chance is not zero.  Gruden never should have been hired in the first place and Davis will realize that soon, if he hasn’t already.

 

I agree with you on everything besides him possibly being fired this year. Davis has the least cash flow of any owner, part of that is why Mack was traded, or at least it was a rumor. I can't see them just chalking up 100 mil loss in 1 year.

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8 hours ago, Degenerate Mike in HHDS said:

ESPN Talking heads said the Raiders are shopping Derek Carr and said he "might" be had for a 2nd. What do you think he's worth?

 

Wow what the hell is Gruden doing, it's not like Carr is a total bum , if we didn't have Allen I would be all over this.

 

 

Broncos would love this, but no happening in division.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, cba fan said:

If they trade him now Raiders would have about 20 mill in dead cap spread out in 2018 and 19. And be out from under all the mega millions still owed.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/derek-carr-14445/

 

New team could cut him after this year for only a 7.5 mill dead cap.

 

I could see this happening with Raiders rumored financial problems.

 

Eh you're talking about Carr, we were talking about Gruden.

 

Edit- that said I don't mind the possibility of trading for him or that your thought process is off when it comes to the raiders and Carr @cba fan

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