The Draft Network - Josh Allen's Struggles Go Beyond Lackluster Supporting Cast

[dubs]

37 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

If you actually provided film breakdowns, you could be. That's kind of the beauty of America; if you're willing to put the work in and know what you're doing, there's a decent chance you can carve out a niche for yourself like he has.

 

I definitely give him credit for the hustle!  That’s awesome no doubt!

 

 

[FeelingOnYouboty]

36 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Simple things such as what?

 

Like trying to throw into the flat but making receivers adjust to catch the ball at their feet. He needs a lot of work on pre-snap recognition as well.

[DuckyBoys]

1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said:

I truly enjoy the hyperbole that other QBs would look the same if not worse in our offense.

 

1) Baker Mayfield is playing on arguably the worst team in NFL history who have Landry and a bunch of young unproven talent.

 

2) Sam Darnold was traded up for, but the Jets still finished with the sixth overall pick. They are not a quality team and Sam is playing extremely well for them.

 

3) Josh Rosen is on a team many have felt were worse than the Bills, and yet is playing very good ball.

all three of those teams have better players around their qb  Your crazy if you think otherwise.  Cards O line might be almost as bad as ours, Jets and Browns without question are superior talent wise.

[Logic]

11 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Cry about it.

 

I blasted Allen pretty relentlessly last week. Doesn’t mean I can’t recognize a biased writer when I see one.

I'm just curious: What is it about this article that makes it seem biased? What about the article is unfair or inaccurate?

[oldmanfan]

Watched  the film, some of his analysis seems good and others I'd question.  I think he's assuming a guy in his 4th start should know more than most guys do.  And his attempt to draw comparisons to performances in college, where he also had limited resources around him, to somehow say he was bad then and will be bad now, is a little absurd to me.

 

 

To old farts like me there are just way too many of these sites where guys I've never heard of offer up these critiques as if they're experts.  And when I ask what his expertise is (because, again, when you google his name I couldn't find a bio)  all I get are snarky comments. 

[Doc]

That guy didn’t blame the INT on Josh, did he?

[PeterDude]

1 hour ago, no name said:

 

who's watching mahomes?

 

those drooling over him. like you?

 

 

 

 

 

Instead of watching boring NFL games, I generally find myself watching NFL Gameday Live.  It's more fun to watch highlights of every game vs a single commercial break filled game.

[Reed83HOF]

25 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Cry about it.

 

I blasted Allen pretty relentlessly last week. Doesn’t mean I can’t recognize a biased writer when I see one.

I wanted the other Josh, but that ship has long since sailed. Allen is who we have, I am not sure I see any bias in this article at all - it is pretty even keel and highlights the areas he needs to develop in. It also shows that he is also part of the offenses problem, which should be surprising to anyone seeing he is pretty close to the same QB 9 months ago in Wyoming as he is now. 

[Mrbojanglezs]

40 minutes ago, Logic said:

Bills fans seriously need to get thicker skin. It's embarrassing. 

No one said he's a bust. No one denied that he was already known to be raw.

It's a simple article. It states that Allen hasn't played particularly well so far and lists some areas in which he can improve. 

Toughen. The. !@#$. Up.

 

My skin is plenty tough I disregard most of this stuff. My point is reaffirming in a sarcastic nature that there are plenty on this board and in the national viewpoint that want him to bust or feel strongly that he will and look to raffirm it weekly

[HappyDays]

11 minutes ago, Doc said:

That guy didn’t blame the INT on Josh, did he?

 

No he only talked about maybe 5 plays, and his analysis of those plays is fair. This really shouldn't surprise anyone. Allen was considered extremely raw. It's going to take a season for him to develop even in the most optimistic scenario. The one thing that disappoints me is I thought he made progress against Minnesota and now we're back to square one. I think defenses are keeping a spy on him now so he needs to get better with his pocket movement. He bails too early and he isn't reading coverages post-snap yet. But it's still really early and no one, including Joe Marino, is saying he can't improve.

[zow2]

Right now Allen is a taller version of Jake Locker, which is bad, because I hated Jake Locker's game in college and in the pros.  He was not all that accurate in college and I never saw that getting better in the NFL.  Tennessee finally benched him after he ran too much and finally got himself injured, and ultimately ended up on inured reserve.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

3 minutes ago, PeterDude said:

 

Instead of watching boring NFL games, I generally find myself watching NFL Gameday Live.  It's more fun to watch highlights of every game vs a single commercial break filled game.

  

good for you. I seldom watch other games. my team may not be exciting to watch, of course that can be on the individual, sunday was exciting at times to me.

 

if it's an upcoming opponent  I may watch some of that game like the 5-10 mins I saw of the houston game the other night.

 

 

 

[quinnearlysghost88]

"The Draft Network" strikes again. these guys have been down on Allen since the beginning. 

[keepthefaith]

The Bills are a completely new offense this year.  It takes time.  To me the greatest criticism has to be given to Daboll and McD for what looks like a lack of commitment to the running game prior to this past week.  It all starts with that, especially when you have a rookie QB and a stable of WR's none of which will probably be on this team in a couple years. 

[Jay_Fixit]

Looks like a rookie after his 4th start to me.

 

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Don't shoot the messenger.

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/10/09/josh-allens-struggles-go-beyond-lackluster-supporting-cast/

 

 

 

 

 

I do have a quibble w/ the 3rd video analysis...the guy says there's 'no explanation' for Allen's poor mechanics on that throw (and they were poor, no doubt), but he pretty obviously identified the blitz presnap and shifted protection to accommodate for it. The throw was rushed because A- that's his hot once they call that blitz+pass pro and B- for sure he was nervous re: the line holding up against pressure, whether he had identified the right blocking, etc...overall the play is negative because he made a poor throw, but I think he actually showed growth in an area he needs to on that particular play. Analyst doesn't make much of an effort mentioning how identifying pressure and reacting is something Allen needs to work on, and although again throw was bad I think this was a positive play in his development. Maybe that's the homer in me but so be it.

[Lofton80]

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

Did you even read the article? 

It's actually a good assessment...

Yes, I did read the article. I find college performances against Hawaii and Oregon to be less of a comparison than how other rookies have played in their first NFL games where the speed of play and level of competition is higher.

 

The writer discusses Allen losing velocity on a throw because he did not step up when people were clearly at his feet. He also noted that Allen left a collapsing pocket rather than hit Zay Jones on a 2 yard out, look at collapsing pocket, he did what he could. I agreed with his other 2 clips, Allen needs to improve on those plays. Some good/some bad.    

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Don't shoot the messenger.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/10/09/josh-allens-struggles-go-beyond-lackluster-supporting-cast/

 

" The highs and lows of Josh Allen won’t just be game to game "

Reading that piece, I'm amazed to learn that Josh Allen has any highs.

 

In general, when someone spends half the writing in their piece highlighting someone's worst college performances, says nothing about their best college performances or even their average college performances, and then says "Allen was never a “good” college quarterback, so expecting him to be a good NFL quarterback is a tall order. So why draft a player who was never a “good” college player at his position?", it ought to provoke well-justified skepticism when they tell you " I don’t have an agenda and I’m not trying to push any narratives."

 

It's kind of a shame, because the fundamental analysis of the plays he chose has some good points but IMHO it's quite colored by his agenda.

[Wayne Arnold]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

I'm just curious: What is it about this article that makes it seem biased? What about the article is unfair or inaccurate?

 

Actually...absolutely nothing.

 

There...happy now?!

[RyanC883]

3 hours ago, BillsFan17 said:

I truly enjoy the hyperbole that other QBs would look the same if not worse in our offense.

 

1) Baker Mayfield is playing on arguably the worst team (last year) in NFL history who have Landry and a bunch of young unproven talent.  (Landry is arguably THE BEST slot WR in the NFL.   Calloway is a fantastic rookie.  The TE is a physical freak.  Oh, and the O-line is much improved.  They also have a fantastic defense)  

  

2) Sam Darnold was traded up for, but the Jets still finished with the sixth overall pick (last year's record). They are not a quality team and Sam is playing extremely well for them.  (again, great D, better OL, and better WR's).  

 

3) Josh Rosen is on a team many have felt were worse than the Bills (when Bradford was the starter), and yet is playing very good ball.  (Might have something to do with David Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Kirk).  Oh, and Rosen barley has better numbers than Allen.  

 

Edited October 9, 2018 by RyanC883

[Ittakestime]

Allen is who pretty much everyone (besides the Bills FO) thought he was.

 

Not sure why people think he is just going to be good just because he is big, good arm, and was drafted high.

 

 

[Fred Clause]

3 hours ago, BillsFan17 said:

I truly enjoy the hyperbole that other QBs would look the same if not worse in our offense.

 

1) Baker Mayfield is playing on arguably the worst team in NFL history who have Landry and a bunch of young unproven talent.

 

2) Sam Darnold was traded up for, but the Jets still finished with the sixth overall pick. They are not a quality team and Sam is playing extremely well for them.

 

3) Josh Rosen is on a team many have felt were worse than the Bills, and yet is playing very good ball.

10-25 he is playing awesome ?????

[Fadingpain]

4 hours ago, Cash said:

Good article.  Allen is straight-up bad right now.  Will be interesting to see if he ends the season better than he is now.

That is the entire story about him, and has been for a long time.

 

He has never shown an ability to be successful at the NFL level and he does not show signs of it now either.

Will that change?  McBeane's jobs hang in the balance.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

42 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

Allen is who pretty much everyone (besides the Bills FO) thought he was.

 

Not sure why people think he is just going to be good just because he is big, good arm, and was drafted high.

 

 

Not sure why ppl think he is gonna be bad auto either.....

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Fadingpain said:

That is the entire story about him, and has been for a long time.

 

He has never shown an ability to be successful at the NFL level and he does not show signs of it now either.

Will that change?  McBeane's jobs hang in the balance.

 

 

4 games.  Team won 2.  Let me say again, 4 games and won 2.

 

And your comment is he has never (repeat: never) shown an ability to be successful at the NFL level.  4 games.  Two vicotories.

 

Honestly, just stop with this nonsense.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

That is the entire story about him, and has been for a long time.

 

He has never shown an ability to be successful at the NFL level and he does not show signs of it now either.

Will that change?  McBeane's jobs hang in the balance.

 

 

The Vikings game says hi.......

[Ittakestime]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Not sure why ppl think he is gonna be bad auto either.....

 

Because he was bad in college.

 

Better chance he stays the same versus vastly improving.

 

 

[dubs]

7 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

That is the entire story about him, and has been for a long time.

 

He has never shown an ability to be successful at the NFL level and he does not show signs of it now either.

Will that change?  McBeane's jobs hang in the balance.

 

 

 

Ha!

 

oh man, I have second hand embarrassment for you now. 

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

4 games.  Team won 2.  Let me say again, 4 games and won 2.

 

And your comment is he has never (repeat: never) shown an ability to be successful at the NFL level.  4 games.  Two vicotories.

 

Honestly, just stop with this nonsense.

 

 

 

Come on. W-L record is the measure?  Remember when Tim Tebow went 7-4 as a starting QB in 2011?   Now Allen is far more talented than Tebow ever was, but don't try to refute that with wins and losses with so many other factors to be considered. 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Come on. W-L record is the measure?  Remember when Tim Tebow went 7-4 as a starting QB in 2011?   Now Allen is far more talented than Tebow ever was, but don't try to refute that with wins and losses with so many other factors to be considered. 

They are one measure.  He has had ups and downs as any rookie QB starting out has.  The other 4 guys have ups and downs as well.  I have no problem with objective analysis but this nonsense that he has no chance or has never shown the ability to play in the league is beyond ridiculous.  It belies what anyone watching the games with even a hint of objectivity has seen.

[RussellDopeland]

Oh look- another "Allen sucks" circle jerk. Maybe the mods should just pin a thread entitled "Allen is a bust" so we aren't subjected to these redundant threads and the crusaders that inhabit them.

[John from Riverside]

7 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

 

Because he was bad in college.

 

Better chance he stays the same versus vastly improving.

 

 

And there are several reasons why for his bad numbers in college...

Have we not been through all this?   If he was a total liability he would not be leading this team.....and we would not be 2-3

8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Come on. W-L record is the measure?  Remember when Tim Tebow went 7-4 as a starting QB in 2011?   Now Allen is far more talented than Tebow ever was, but don't try to refute that with wins and losses with so many other factors to be considered. 

So are we saying Josh Allen is Tim Tebow?

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, RussellDopeland said:

Oh look- another "Allen sucks" circle jerk. Maybe the mods should just pin a thread entitled "Allen is a bust" so we aren't subjected to these redundant threads and the crusaders that inhabit them.

 

The link in the OP isn't about that at all. 

 

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

And there are several reasons why for his bad numbers in college...

Have we not been through all this?   If he was a total liability he would not be leading this team.....and we would not be 2-3

So are we saying Josh Allen is Tim Tebow?

 

Read this again!   "Now Allen is far more talented than Tebow ever was"

Edited October 9, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[JoPar_v2]

I mean, the guy’s analysis is okay, even if it is of the cherry-picked variety. Really don’t see the point of putting this out now, however. If the message is “hey, remember I told you Allen is raw and hasn’t shown the ability to do x, y and z” and follow it up with this 4 starts into his career, then well, okay I guess. Not sure even the most ardent Allen supporters would argue “oh he’ll be polished up by week 5 don’t worry.”

[ddaryl]

Allen is a mystery wrapped up in an enigma.

 

Nobody knows and everyone hopes, and we are still asking the same questions we were asking before and after they drafted him

[Augie]

4 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

"Don't turn the ball over and force your opponent to go the entire field equals a win."

 

Isn't this true for any team?

 

That...and something about points. I forget the details, but the points matter, too.  

 

 

I’m just praying for progress throughout the season, and into next year. It’s all I can do. 

[TheElectricCompany]

1 hour ago, Ittakestime said:

Not sure why people think he is just going to be good just because he is big, good arm, and was drafted high.

 

Do not underestimate the appeal of potential. 

 

Edited October 9, 2018 by TheElectricCompany

[LSHMEAB]

27 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Come on. W-L record is the measure?  Remember when Tim Tebow went 7-4 as a starting QB in 2011?   Now Allen is far more talented than Tebow ever was, but don't try to refute that with wins and losses with so many other factors to be considered. 

Trent Edwards was 5-4 as a rookie.

[Chris66]

25 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

And there are several reasons why for his bad numbers in college...

Have we not been through all this?   If he was a total liability he would not be leading this team.....and we would not be 2-3

So are we saying Josh Allen is Tim Tebow?

No tim tebow has a heisman and a nfl playoff win.

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

No tim tebow has a heisman and a nfl playoff win.

 

Please! Tebow was an absolute horror show as an NFL QB who couldn't even make throws at the NFL level.  Heisman doesn't have jack to do with the equation in the NFL. 

 

Edited October 9, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz