Owners with Conservative/Defensive Minded Coaches have some SOUL SEARCHING to do.

[Best Player Available]

32 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Because one is a coach and the other is the general manager. Do you need a link for that?

You have no clue what is happening. Too the point because of crap acquisitions, questionable draft moves. 

inability  to identify huge needs and actually do something about it. Torching money on Coleman, wtc. Beane may be the first to go?

That decision one would guess is made by ownership. As for those two not being "tied together" You're the first with that babble.

NO one anywhere has said that. 

 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

We need Jim Bob Cooter as HC. 

[Wagon Circler]

On 10/2/2018 at 3:09 PM, Wayne Arnold said:

McDermott’s seat will get very hot if Allen continues looking like a train wreck. Likely won’t see 2019 if that’s the case. Too many bright young offensive football minds out there.

It's McDermott's fault if Allen stinks?

 

[HardyBoy]

Bill Belichick has had the best offense in the league how many times?

 

Hot takes everywhere...do you have any data to back up that offensive coaches have better offenses, or are you just spewing hot takes? 

 

Every team you named stocked cap space and draft picks the year of the qbs rookie year and took advantage of their qbs rookie contact and stocked up big time.

 

By the way, every single last one of those qbs was underwhelming to say the least their rookie year, or did not play. 

 

Sorry, it's just not a logical point, but well written and interesting to think about.

[CookieG]

On 10/3/2018 at 9:21 AM, Wayne Arnold said:

 

McDermott and Beane aren’t exactly tied together - contrary to popular belief. If things go very bad this season, we could see Beane getting his opportunity to hire the new HC (for the first time).

I could see Beane going before McD.  It depends on how much say McD has on personnel decisions. But McD looks better as a coach than Beane looks as a GM.

 

A top flight OC will be needed, but the situation is more than that.

 

Its going to take a guru on the offensive end to be in the front office with enough persuasion/pull to make the right decisions.

 

Whether McD or Beane on the offensive talent side, based on who they passed on, who they let go and who they brought in over 2 years.....they don't have an eye for it.  Some have the talent to evaluate offense, some have it for defense, a very few have it for both.

 

The guy will not only need a talent for offensive talent seeking, he's going to be the guy that says, "we need this center (or guard, or right tackle or whatever) MORE than we need that DE you want to spell Murphy". he's going to have to keep them in focus.

 

Will they find such a guy?  They should, I'd say its mandatory.  Will it happen?  Good question.  These guys to seem to have a pretty good opinion of themselves, and there is no reason they should, not when it comes to the offense.

 

But $100 million in cap or not, if they don't, you're looking at best, to a Jeff Fisher environment where offense always takes the back seat and you're 9-7 in a good year. At worst, its a Jauron situation or worse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

Lincoln Riley from Oklahoma would be my choice if they were to fire McDermott (unlikely I know).  It may take two years and I don't know if he'd want to leave Oklahoma for Buffalo.  His offensive scheme in Oklahoma is impressive and he's only 35 years old if your looking to try and find a McVay type.  Whether his college success will translate into the NFL is a risk, but I'd rather have a young offensive mind as a head coach in today's NFL.  I think McDermott gets at least one more year, but if Allen continues to struggle Pegula should give Allen at least one more chance with a different coaching staff.

[atlbillsfan1975]

On 10/2/2018 at 3:09 PM, HappyDays said:

I think the bigger thing those franchises did is they spent a ton of money on offense in the QB's sophomore seasons. Presumably that is our plan for next year too. But it all depends on Allen developing.

I don’t think it depends on Allen developing. I think they will invest in the offense this off season regardless. Then myself and others will know what we really have in Allen.

[ALF]

Lets hope Derek Anderson can help coach Allen. My first choice would have been Josh McCowan, jury still out on Daboll. Culley is a mystery to me.

[zow2]

I’m tired of hearing that Mahomes and Goff have all these amazing weapons.  Sure, they have guys.  But when pressured, Goff is dropping dimes into the bucket so to speak, sometimes no window at all.  Mahomes is running for his life half the time and has been throwing extremely accurately on the run. 

If Allen doesn’t have the talent to make some kind of plays with his arm, the talent and coach around him won’t get him over the hump.  

Edited October 13, 2018 by zow2

[stuvian]

Belichick is a defensive coach. What more needs to be said?

[Wayne Arnold]

11 hours ago, Wagon Circler said:

 

It's McDermott's fault if Allen stinks?

 

In part, yes.

[mrags]

On 10/2/2018 at 2:58 PM, jahnyc said:

The Daboll hire was critical to get right.  It will be interesting to see if he can work well with Allen and help his development.

Unfortunately Daboll is a loser generally and will not amount to anything. It’ll be interesting to see if they keep him after this season and having the worst offense in football. 

 

I have high high hopes for Allen but not with that fat bald piece of crap in charge of the offense. 

On 10/3/2018 at 10:37 AM, CountDorkula said:

OK, with all the cap, who are the players they are going to bring in?

 

Overpaying for average players doesn't make you better. It puts you in cap hell.

What WR's are worth it?

what OL are worth it?

 

All the extra picks are in the 4th rd plus. I wouldn't call this organized as much as I would hoping for miracles.

4th rd plus is hoping to get lucky.

 

Again, who are the players that they are going to bring in.

 

just because they have all this money does not mean they can just go buy a #1 WR of the shelf. There needs to be one available and they have to want to come here. 

 

The two best WR that will be on the market next year.

Dog Baldwin and Randall Cobb. Are they worth paying 10MM+ for?

Isn’t Julio Jones going to be a FA next year? 

[Wayne Arnold]

9 hours ago, CookieG said:

 

I could see Beane going before McD.  It depends on how much say McD has on personnel decisions. But McD looks better as a coach than Beane looks as a GM.

 

Good luck ever finding a competent/qualified General Manager if that ever happens.

[Fadingpain]

IMO, a defensive coordinator for a HC is not the right move in 2018 and beyond.  It's backward and yesterday, not tomorrow.

 

Not having a cutting edge offensive minded HC hurts the team, as does our ridiculous reluctance to rely on data to make critical in-game judgment calls in terms of going for it on 4th down, when to punt instead, when to try a FG, when to challenge and what to challenge, when to go for 2 (that should be done almost always) and so on.

 

There is an advantage to be gained right now in the NFL by being ahead of the curve, and yet we throw that advantage in the toilet with a lot of other teams.

 

In 5 or 10 years everyone will be caught up and doing that stuff, so the advantage will be gone.  

 

It irks me that we don't make use of it now, while we can.

 

 

[Logic]

Man, you know what defense-minded head coaches did terrible with rookie QBs?

Bill Belichick and Ron Rivera. Absolutely RUINED Tom Brady and Cam Newton. 

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Edited October 13, 2018 by Logic

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

On 10/2/2018 at 2:53 PM, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Eagles invested heavily in Trading up for Carson Wentz.  Spent that off season building and Offensive Coaching Room...Wentz now thriving.

 

Los Angeles Rams invested 1st Overall Pick in Jared Goff.  Shortly after fired their Defensive Minded Head Coach (Jeff Fisher).  Brought in young Offensive guy in Sean McVay...Goff now thriving.

 

Chicago Bears invested heavily in trading up for Mitch Trubisky.  Shortly after fired their Defensive Minded Head Coach (John Fox).  Brought in Offensive Guy in Matt Nagy...Trubisky now thriving.

 

 

Buffalo Bills and New York Jets invested heavily in trading up for Josh Allen and Sam Darnold.  And they will do what with their DEFENSIVE MINDED HEAD COACHES after their Young QBs struggle in 2018???

 

I don't think it matters at all to be honest, that's what your OC and QB coach are for. Bill Belichick, Marvin Lewis, Ron Rivera, Pete Carroll (actually started his career as the Bills DB Coach), Zimmer, Dan Quinn and the list goes on, only Quinn hasn't developed a QB from this list all other defensive minded coaches have, oh and Zimmer although he did wonders with Case Keenum.

[BillsVet]

19 minutes ago, Logic said:

Man, you know what defense-minded head coaches did terrible with rookie QBs?

Bill Belichick and Ron Rivera. Absolutely RUINED Tom Brady and Cam Newton. 

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The game in 2001 and 2011 when those 2 QBs became starters has evolved considerably.  The RTP and PI penalties principally affect how defenses can take on a passing offense. In NE, Belichick didn't need Brady to be much more than efficient those first couple years until he developed. And Newton is a totally different player who actually had some offensive talent around him as a rookie and 2nd year player, especially their OL.  

 

McCoach, like most defensive guys, went defense heavy his first 2 off-season and now the offense stinks. He has no one to blame but himself for going the opposite way to success.  

 

[CookieG]

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Good luck ever finding a competent/qualified General Manager if that ever happens.

McDermott hired Beane, not the other way around.

 

That's how the power structure is with these two.

 

But to take your thought a little further and reversing it, good luck finding a quality, offense minded head coach to work for Beane.

 

Not with the collection of talent he's acquired on offense in the past 2 years.

[Jpsredemption]

The only thing that could potentially salvage Allen and even that is a long shot would be a young offensive minded coach. 

 

Unfortunately that is not going to happen, Allen probably won't work out and the franchise will now begin another drought.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...so who at the end of the day has MORE authority in this organization, McDermott or McBeane?......despite some exceptions (Andy Reid who is HC, GM and Director of Personnel and even has GOD reporting to HIM), isn't the NFL tradition with GM as the guy in charge, working in close collaboration with his HC (execept of course for Tom "Terrific" Donohole, the control freak)?......why would McBeane stick around long term if he is the dog being wagged with McDermott controlling the tail?......if he is in "resume' building mode" and books, how many GM candidates would welcome being the "wagged dog"?....just curious.............

[Wayne Arnold]

1 minute ago, CookieG said:

 

McDermott hired Beane, not the other way around.

 

That's how the power structure is with these two.

 

And that's why this organization has zero chance of achieving success in the form of championships.

 

The Pegulas gave McDermott 'Belichick Power' before he ever coached his first game. Inexplicable. 

[reddogblitz]

Not buying it. A good HC is a good HC.

 

Marv was a special teams coach for crying out loud and his team had a great offense. Tom Landry was hired with a heavy D pedigree (player/DC for champion Giants) yet now is viewed as one of the greatest offensive minds in football history. Same could be said of Bill Bellyache except for the history part.

 

A good coach on either side of the football HAS to have an intimate knowledge at the other side.

 

Is Pete Carroll an offensive or defensive coach? I have no idea. What about Coach Moron? Tomlin?  They're just good Head Coaches.

 

Defense is not going anywhere.  I've been hearing this offense only stuff for at least 30 years.

Edited October 13, 2018 by reddogblitz

[Logic]

2 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

The game in 2001 and 2011 when those 2 QBs became starters has evolved considerably.  The RTP and PI penalties principally affect how defenses can take on a passing offense. In NE, Belichick didn't need Brady to be much more than efficient those first couple years until he developed. And Newton is a totally different player who actually had some offensive talent around him as a rookie and 2nd year player, especially their OL.  

 

McCoach, like most defensive guys, went defense heavy his first 2 off-season and now the offense stinks. He has no one to blame but himself for going the opposite way to success.  

 

I'll be happy to have this discussion when offensive juggernauts start winning championships left and right. 

The Eagles won the Super Bowl last year, yes. They also had a great defense.

Like I said, when these offensive juggernauts start winning games in January, we can talk. We've seen offensive flavor-of-the-week teams come and go over the years, and it's always the same story: they tear through the league in the regular season, then come playoff time, a quality defensive team stops them in their tracks. It happened to the Rams last year. It happened to the Kelly Bills, oh, ya know, four Super Bowls in a row.

Also, hiring an offensive minded head coach is not an automatic guarantee of success. How is Frank Reich's team doing right now? Adam Gase? Kyle Shanahan?

Aside from the logical fallacy of assuming that hiring an offensive minded head coach is the only way to go in today's NFL, there's also this: The Bills DID bring in an innovative, fresh-from-the-college-ranks and from Belichick's coaching staff, modern offense-calling coordinator. His name is Brian Daboll. Is he the HEAD coach? No. Does that matter?

The whole idea that the only way to have success in today's NFL is to hire an offensive guru as a head coach is nonsense to me. A good coach is a good coach, period. It doesn't matter what his background is.



 

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

And that's why this organization has zero chance of achieving success in the form of championships.

 

The Pegulas gave McDermott 'Belichick Power' before he ever coached his first game. Inexplicable. 

You were much more fun as Johnny Flynn.

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

I'll be happy to have this discussion when offensive juggernauts start winning championships left and right. 

The Eagles won the Super Bowl last year, yes. They also had a great defense.

Like I said, when these offensive juggernauts start winning games in January, we can talk. We've seen offensive flavor-of-the-week teams come and go over the years, and it's always the same story: they tear through the league in the regular season, then come playoff time, a quality defensive team stops them in their tracks. It happened to the Rams last year. It happened to the Kelly Bills, oh, ya know, four Super Bowls in a row.

Also, hiring an offensive minded head coach is not an automatic guarantee of success. How is Frank Reich's team doing right now? Adam Gase? Kyle Shanahan?

Aside from the logical fallacy of assuming that hiring an offensive minded head coach is the only way to go in today's NFL, there's also this: The Bills DID bring in an innovative, fresh-from-the-college-ranks and from Belichick's coaching staff, modern offense-calling coordinator. His name is Brian Daboll. Is he the HEAD coach? No. Does that matter?

The whole idea that the only way to have success in today's NFL is to hire an offensive guru as a head coach is nonsense to me. A good coach is a good coach, period. It doesn't matter what his background is.

 

We're talking past each other. I never said there are "guarantees" to hiring an offensive type for a HC, only pointed out that strategically, rebuilds where defense is prioritized over offense is not going to work or will take much longer for the team to become successful.  And who is declaring success as winning a SB? I prefer the qualification as making the playoffs, of which only 12 teams can each season.  Those teams by seed are identified with their offensive yards gained and defensive yards allowed in parentheses.  Their playoff record is also provided. 

 

6. ATL (8, 9) 1-1    BUF (29, 26) 0-1

5. CAR (19, 7) 0-1 TEN (23, 13) 1-1

4. NO (2, 17) 1-1     KC (5, 28) 0-1

3.  LAR (10, 19) 0-1 JAX (6, 2) 2-1

2. MIN (11, 1) 1-1  NE (1, 29) 2-1

1. PHI (7, 3) 3-0     PIT (3, 5) 0-1

 

Nine of the top 11 offenses in yards gained advanced to the playoffs last year and won 10 combined playoff games.  That's not to say they didn't have good defenses, only that you'd better have a top offense to make the playoffs.  I see 4 teams ranking in the bottom half of the league (NO, LAR, KC, and NE) that were pretty good without a top defense.   

 

Still, this isn't so much about a W-L record, it's the strategic decisions before the season begins.  A defensive based HC more often than not goes defense upon entering a rebuild.  It's what they know. It's what DJ, even Nix (to transition to a 30 front), and now McCoach have done.  Those examples do not prove a defensive minded HC will fail or an OC oriented guy will succeed. It's how they value personnel and their former side of the ball as compared to the modern NFL.  

Edited October 13, 2018 by BillsVet

[BUFFALOKIE]

I like good defense. Generally speaking, I like watching a defense dominate a game. A good defense is priority 1 in my book.

 

But, if you have **** on offense, who cannot capitalize on even a mediocre defensive perfomance, your team still loses more often than not.

 

So, I dont know what is better: A great defense with average to piss-poor offense? Or the reverse? Methinks it does not matter. To have a good team, at least one side of ball has to be average or better, while the other side is good or great.

 

Disclaimer: I am considering abandoning this drunk post. Not very articulate...3.2.1...duck it. I love you man!

[Billsfan1972]

4 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

The game in 2001 and 2011 when those 2 QBs became starters has evolved considerably.  The RTP and PI penalties principally affect how defenses can take on a passing offense. In NE, Belichick didn't need Brady to be much more than efficient those first couple years until he developed. And Newton is a totally different player who actually had some offensive talent around him as a rookie and 2nd year player, especially their OL.  

 

McCoach, like most defensive guys, went defense heavy his first 2 off-season and now the offense stinks. He has no one to blame but himself for going the opposite way to success.  

 

Bang on.....  So damn simple and 20+ teams in the NFL realize that and are built that way......

[Logic]

1 hour ago, BillsVet said:

 

We're talking past each other. I never said there are "guarantees" to hiring an offensive type for a HC, only pointed out that strategically, rebuilds where defense is prioritized over offense is not going to work or will take much longer for the team to become successful.  And who is declaring success as winning a SB? I prefer the qualification as making the playoffs, of which only 12 teams can each season.  Those teams by seed are identified with their offensive yards gained and defensive yards allowed in parentheses.  Their playoff record is also provided. 

 

6. ATL (8, 9) 1-1    BUF (29, 26) 0-1

5. CAR (19, 7) 0-1 TEN (23, 13) 1-1

4. NO (2, 17) 1-1     KC (5, 28) 0-1

3.  LAR (10, 19) 0-1 JAX (6, 2) 2-1

2. MIN (11, 1) 1-1  NE (1, 29) 2-1

1. PHI (7, 3) 3-0     PIT (3, 5) 0-1

 

Nine of the top 11 offenses in yards gained advanced to the playoffs last year and won 10 combined playoff games.  That's not to say they didn't have good defenses, only that you'd better have a top offense to make the playoffs.  I see 4 teams ranking in the bottom half of the league (NO, LAR, KC, and NE) that were pretty good without a top defense.   

 

Still, this isn't so much about a W-L record, it's the strategic decisions before the season begins.  A defensive based HC more often than not goes defense upon entering a rebuild.  It's what they know. It's what DJ, even Nix (to transition to a 30 front), and now McCoach have done.  Those examples do not prove a defensive minded HC will fail or an OC oriented guy will succeed. It's how they value personnel and their former side of the ball as compared to the modern NFL.  

Quality response.

I entered the thread late, and it may have been erroneous on my part to address my post to you specifically. Based on your response, I now have a clearer picture of your stance (as opposed to the stance of the OP), and I don't disagree with it for the most part.

Edited October 13, 2018 by Logic

[Chris66]

8 hours ago, stuvian said:

Belichick is a defensive coach. What more needs to be said?

No he isnt. BB knows both.  Thats his offense they have been running for the past 15 years. All those offensive tweaks is all BB the guy is truly a football savant. Probably the last coach you will see that can gameplan both sides of the ball.

 

Over 1100 yards were posted in the superbowl last year with only one punt. I would say offense is trending a bit. Add that the rules now severely limit what a d can do.

Edited October 13, 2018 by Chris66

[Straight Hucklebuck]

On 10/2/2018 at 3:03 PM, Direhard Fan said:

No receivers.  No line.  Never planned on Allen being the guy this year.  What did you expect?   Loaded for next year with cap and picks.  Plan or not?  

“Never planned on Allen being the guy this year” - That’s a blind spot on this FO and Coaching staff. 

 

They thought Nate Peterman was a starting NFL QB with Kelvin Benjamin, Zay Jones and Jeremy Kerley as WRs. Then they cut Kerley and Ruben Foster/Ray Ray McCloud was moved up the depth chart. 

 

They trotted out practice squad level talent to try and compete on Sundays and are becoming impatient with the results. The Bills did this to themselves. 

[TigerJ]

John Fox and Jeff Fisher were fossils among NFL coaches.  They were both very conservative in their approach, and even though their pedigree was defense, they insisted the offense their coordinators called reflected their antiquated philosophies.  Daboll ran a pretty safe offense last week, but I think that was because they thought they could and it would protect Josh Allen.  I don't think it is necessarily in his (or McDermott's) DNA to be conservative and play it safe all the time.  If it is, the OP is probably right, and it's only a matter of time before the fans and the Pegulas get tired of it.

[Mat68]

On 10/2/2018 at 3:12 PM, racketmaster said:

Good post. It appears that good defensive coordinators will become similar to the current running back, replaceable. 

-The NFL is about offense and defense and special teams are becoming less important as a result of rule changes. Expect this trend to continue as more rules that make game “safer” will help offense more than defense.

 

And if that is the case, it would be wiser for an organization to hitch their wagon to an offensive “genius” rather than the defensive guru. Even if it is for the purpose of continuity. Players that fit the system will be developed and groomed over time and the system will remain in tact because the offensive leader will not leave the organization after any amount of success. That offensive coach will have plenty of defensive minds to choose from and the defensive side of the ball will not be as important anyway. 

 

On the other hand, if an organization tied themselves to a defensive coach, then there could be less continuity and talent on that side of the coaching staff. For example, if Dabol actually became a good coordinator he would be poached by another team. McDermott would either fill the position from the outside and risk losing continuity on the most important side of the ball or promote from within and risk not getting the most talented candidate for the most important side of the ball. 

 

It does not mean a defensive coach cannot work out, it just seems like they will have more challenges keeping top level coaching talent on the most important side of the ball.

This is where I give Bill Belichick alot of credit. He has been able to run the same offense with multiple Co Ordinators in his NE tenure.  He had as much a hand in the growth of Brady as anyone.  Seems most of the time HC with defensive backgrounds want an offense that supports his unit.  Conservative, heavy run depended and their offense lack aggressivness and creativity.  

[Happy]

2 hours ago, Chris66 said:

No he isnt. BB knows both.  Thats his offense they have been running for the past 15 years. All those offensive tweaks is all BB the guy is truly a football savant. Probably the last coach you will see that can gameplan both sides of the ball.

 

Over 1100 yards were posted in the superbowl last year with only one punt. I would say offense is trending a bit. Add that the rules now severely limit what a d can do.

 

Thanks for pointing this out, and I agree BB knows both.  For someone who started as Parcell's DC in NYG, BB has done an amazing job with NE's offense while still fielding a very good to good enough defense.  In addition, BB has the "finish them off" mentality where he will not let up until all the time on the clock has expired.  McDermott needs to follow this philosophy since it is proven to win championships, rather than play conservative, even with a large lead.  McDermott is light years behind BB as a coach since McD knows little about offense and can't even get an OC and position coach hire right.  It pains me to say this, but as of week 6, this is the case.

[Luka]

McDermott is a great coach. But his loyalties will be the end of him. He's gotta learn this is a business and you stay in business by winning. And you've got to be business enough to admit when a guy isn't working out, even when it's "your guy." Benjamin, Casitllo and Peterman come to mind. 

Edited October 14, 2018 by Luka

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

....doubtful.........doesn't make a ton of sense...........

 

Ranking 10 NFL head coaches most likely to be fired this season

 

1 day ago

 

5. Sean McDermott, Buffalo Bills (2-3)

 

Considering the Bills have scored only 63 points in five games versus giving away 118, two wins for McDermott should be considered a miracle. The Bills are horrendous on offense and somehow managed upset victories against the Minnesota Vikings and Tennessee Titans in Weeks 3 and 5. Though, sandwiched between was a gross 0-22 shutout by the Green Bay Packers.

The saving grace for McDermott may be the fact that he coached the Bills into the playoffs in 2017 — ending a 17-year postseason drought. But that was not before McDermott botched the handling of Tyrod Taylor and delivered that whole Nathan Peterman five-interception nightmare. If the Bills trade away LeSean McCoy, their outlook for 2018 is even more bleak. Keeping McDermott around will be a tough sell should the Bills finish last in the AFC East.

 

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/ranking_10_nfl_head_coaches_most_likely_to_be_fired_this_season/s1_12680_27499151

 

[Wagon Circler]

MCderms has quietly built one of the best defenses in the league. Not interested in firing him regardless of our record this year. By default, they committed to a rookie an who is bad. The rest of the year is about hoping he improves. Don't even want to fire Beans even if he blew the Allen pick. Let's give him a 2nd draft and a ton of money and see what happens.

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

Spending the vast majority of your money and attention on the defense in the 2018 version of the NFL is !@#$ing laughable. McDermott and Beane are dinosaurs, and in two years the Bills will have missed out on a couple more franchise QBs and will clean house again. It's astounding that a franchise could be this inept for so long. At least he checks the tape. 

 

You don't have sustained success by building an expensive defense. The only way you sustain any success is by finding an elite passer because this is a passing league. I don't give a flying !@#$ if the defense is the best in football, it doesn't matter if you can't score. 

[Helpmenow]

19 hours ago, Luka said:

McDermott is a great coach. But his loyalties will be the end of him. He's gotta learn this is a business and you stay in business by winning. And you've got to be business enough to admit when a guy isn't working out, even when it's "your guy." Benjamin, Casitllo and Peterman come to mind. 

Why do you think McDermott is a great coach.

[MAJBobby]

The reality is McD has until the end of 2019. His seat will be hot at the end of this year and he better have a turn around on Offense in 2019 or he will (should be) gone 

[Luka]

1 hour ago, Helpmenow said:

Why do you think McDermott is a great coach.

 

I mean, look at the results from last year. A lesser coach and that's a 5-11 team. And this year, the change in the defense is unprecedented, from getting absolutely destroyed for 6 quarters to probably top 5 in the league. But as I said, his loyalties get him into trouble. Benjamin shouldn't be here, Peterman shouldn't be here. He makes big decisions based on those types of things and it gets him into trouble.

1 hour ago, Wagon Circler said:

MCderms has quietly built one of the best defenses in the league. Not interested in firing him regardless of our record this year. By default, they committed to a rookie an who is bad. The rest of the year is about hoping he improves. Don't even want to fire Beans even if he blew the Allen pick. Let's give him a 2nd draft and a ton of money and see what happens.

 

Yea everyone in LA thought the Rams blew the Goff pick too. Then they go out, rebuild the line and get a considerable amount of weapons for him to throw too and suddenly he's good. I wonder if Woods or Kupp told Goff "no" when he was looking for extra reps before a game. We've got an aging McCoy, Clay and....

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

Add Steve Wilks to the group after tonight!

 

Cardinals, Jets, Buffalo, Browns.

 

All teams need to seriously consider bringing in the Youngest, Brightest, Offensive Minded Cosches in the NFL to protect each teams MAJOR QB Investment and start to play ball in the Modern NFL.