Klaista2k Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Cleveland had it down to either Mayfield or Allen for the 1st overall pick in the draft. So if Mayfield is indeed good, this is very encouraging because it shows the Browns GM knows how to evaluate quarterbacks. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I can see that. They seem to be the top 2 of the 4 so far. If Allen learns to read progressions and get the ball out as good as Baker, watch out Buffalo. He might just need a few more reps and some trusted playmakers. I'm hoping this is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Do we really know that Cleveland had it down to Allen and Mayfield? Teams always signal out misinformation. I see no positives at all for the Bills relative to how Mayfeild play, they contrast so much personality wise, physically, skill set it isn't even funny. There is no translating one to to other imo. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I'm just glad the Jets didn't get him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: Cleveland had it down to either Mayfield or Allen for the 1st overall pick in the draft. So if Mayfield is indeed good, this is very encouraging because it shows the Browns GM knows how to evaluate quarterbacks. They picked Mayfield over Allen, so it's good because they didn't think Allen was as good as, or better than, Mayfield? Edited September 21, 2018 by ricojes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 The few remaining Tyrod defenders will finally give up the good fight? 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: The few remaining Tyrod defenders will finally give up the good fight? You know that's not true... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: Do we really know that Cleveland had it down to Allen and Mayfield? Teams always signal out misinformation. I see no positives at all for the Bills relative to how Mayfeild play, they contrast so much personality wise, physically, skill set it isn't even funny. There is no translating one to to other imo. Besides the italics, I agree But I still see many good signs with Allen. It's crystal clear Mayfield has way better mastery of the game at this time, but if Josh comes even 90% close to him, with his physical attributes he will be a FORCE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 his work was a a great hi-light for the last decade of the NFL last night, may he have a long and healthy run and not get figured out by D's too soon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 28 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: Cleveland had it down to either Mayfield or Allen for the 1st overall pick in the draft. So if Mayfield is indeed good, this is very encouraging because it shows the Browns GM knows how to evaluate quarterbacks. Don't believe everything you hear or read. There's a lot of misinformation out there. Some refer to it as "fake news." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I was impressed by Mayfield, but Darnold was the savior 2 weeks ago, until other teams got regular season film on him and started game planning for him. Based on what I have seen so far, Mayfield is the most game ready, followed by Darnold, followed by Allen. As to physical abilities/raw talent, it would be Allen, followed by Darnold, followed by Mayfield. Lamar Jackson looks like a great swiss-army knife type of player, but needs a lot of work to be a viable NFL QB. He's incredible athletically. We haven't seen anything from Rosen yet, but as putrid as the Cardinals' offense is, perhaps his time is coming soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I think they had decided on Mayfield way back in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 32 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: Cleveland had it down to either Mayfield or Allen for the 1st overall pick in the draft. So if Mayfield is indeed good, this is very encouraging because it shows the Browns GM knows how to evaluate quarterbacks. Even it that's true, it's a stretch to make any correlation to Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Are we this desperate at seeking approval? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Are we this desperate at seeking approval? Sure looks that way. I don't come here much and when I do I don't stay long because of the absolute idiocy of posts like the one started here in this thread. I don't know what these guys are smoking but keep it away from me. I will take the good stuff though. I am no rocket scientist by any stretch but spend 5 minutes in this forum and that's all you'll need to see how stupid fans of football are. Unbelievable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 slow down bud let's wait and see on Mayfield....if he gets to always play his game in relief during a short week where you aren't game planning against the back up quarterback he's might be tough. But as an every week guy - we'll see. Every Mayfield pass was short as hell, and he played one half of football at home and the Jets suck. I'm not saying he's going to be good or bad we don't know but we all need more than a 30 minute prove it session in optimal circumstances. This is WGR radio (I dont want to do any prep work) stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, CardinalScotts said: slow down bud let's wait and see on Mayfield....if he gets to always play his game in relief during a short week where you aren't game planning against the back up quarterback he's might be tough. But as an every week guy - we'll see. Every Mayfield pass was short as hell, and he played one half of football at home and the Jets suck. I'm not saying he's going to be good or bad we don't know but we all need more than a 30 minute prove it session in optimal circumstances. This is WGR radio (I dont want to do any prep work) stuff Do you think he is better than Taylor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) Hitting on one draft pick doesn't prove anything. For all we know, they could have graded the top four equally and simply tossed darts at a board to figure out which one to pick. And although Mayfield looked good, he's played one half of one game. Let's not size him (or Allen) up for a gold sport coat just yet. Edited September 21, 2018 by WhoTom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Klaista2k said: Cleveland had it down to either Mayfield or Allen for the 1st overall pick in the draft. So if Mayfield is indeed good, this is very encouraging because it shows the Browns GM knows how to evaluate quarterbacks. ...uhhh, I think I'd go with the blind squirrel or broken clock theory before I'd go with Browns GM QB whisperer theory... ...and while it's funny, screw Cowherd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 38 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Are we this desperate at seeking approval? So you’re saying you didn’t bet 5,000 dollars on this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 54 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: The few remaining Tyrod defenders will finally give up the good fight? I fear you may be wrong my friend 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Klaista2k said: Cleveland had it down to either Mayfield or Allen for the 1st overall pick in the draft. So if Mayfield is indeed good, this is very encouraging because it shows the Browns GM knows how to evaluate quarterbacks. First, we do NOT know that the Browns narrowed the QB down to Allen and Mayfield. Second, if we are to assume that Mayfield will pan out and be a great QB (that's not demonstrated yet) that says absolutely nothing about the quality of Allen, even if we assume the Browns did have him as their other finalist. You have presented a false cause logical fallacy, suggesting that because A is true, B must also be true, and that the two are connected with A causing B. In actuality, there is nothing about Baker Mayfield's play that causes Josh Allen's play to be good or bad. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I thought Mayfield was the best of the group and that Allen would not turn out to be a good NFL QB. It's way too early to know, but I have seen nothing to contradict it, yet. I forgot the exact numbers, but Mayfield got rid of the ball much faster than Taylor, yesterday. That was one of the big keys to the difference in their performance. From Pro Football Focus on Mayfield, yesterday: The highest graded performance by a rookie quarterback since we began grading in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: First, we do NOT know that the Browns narrowed the QB down to Allen and Mayfield. Second, if we are to assume that Mayfield will pan out and be a great QB (that's not demonstrated yet) that says absolutely nothing about the quality of Allen, even if we assume the Browns did have him as their other finalist. You have presented a false cause logical fallacy, suggesting that because A is true, B must also be true, and that the two are connected with A causing B. In actuality, there is nothing about Baker Mayfield's play that causes Josh Allen's play to be good or bad. I’m pretty sure that’s a fact. I read it on the internet. ? P.S. - I’m a french model. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 ...if this kid is good as well as all of the others in the class, perhaps right down to Rudolph and/or Lauletta, could make for some decent Sunday matchups and eventual rivalries like the good 'ol days of the '83 Class......probably a crap idea though...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Through my own file study I had it down to Mayfield and Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Klaista2k said: Cleveland had it down to either Mayfield or Allen for the 1st overall pick in the draft. So if Mayfield is indeed good, this is very encouraging because it shows the Browns GM knows how to evaluate quarterbacks. I'm just going to assume you never took a basic logic course 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 He played a very very good half of football . But it's just ridiculous to judge him or any rookie off such a small sample size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 They are who we thought they were! Now if youre gonna crown them go ahead and crown they ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 So you’re saying we ‘almost’ got a good guy. Good to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Best thing about the game? Seeing the Jets O line might be even worse than the Bills at pass protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan369 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 5 hours ago, msw2112 said: I was impressed by Mayfield, but Darnold was the savior 2 weeks ago, until other teams got regular season film on him and started game planning for him. Based on what I have seen so far, Mayfield is the most game ready, followed by Darnold, followed by Allen. As to physical abilities/raw talent, it would be Allen, followed by Darnold, followed by Mayfield. Lamar Jackson looks like a great swiss-army knife type of player, but needs a lot of work to be a viable NFL QB. He's incredible athletically. We haven't seen anything from Rosen yet, but as putrid as the Cardinals' offense is, perhaps his time is coming soon. But what happins in 2 weeks when they get film on mayfield?? does he follow Darnold to losing side??? Give them a season see what comes out in the end I would think you would get a better big picture. Just my thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 How do we know the Browns were between Mayfield and Allen?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) I don't subscribe to this logic. The positive of Baker maybe being good is a crotch grab pointed in Tom Brady's direction as he beats him in his last game of Tom's career. 3 hours ago, JerseyBills said: He played a very very good half of football . But it's just ridiculous to judge him or any rookie off such a small sample size Gotta take positives when you see them. Keeps ya sane. I found a positive that the browns drafted 3 wr with their last 3 picks and we did 2. After that Baker game, they obviously draft right. So we probably do too Edited September 22, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 I always root for the hapless teams. Used To be the bengals been rooting (just a little) for the Browns since 2005. If some team besides the Bills was going to find their QB I’m glad it was the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Domdab99 said: I'm just going to assume you never took a basic logic course I was a little more round about. "I don't exactly subscribe to your logic" translation: what you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 The best residual effect is we wont be hearing how great Darnold is fora while now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I don't subscribe to this logic. The positive of Baker maybe being good is a crotch grab pointed in Tom Brady's direction as he beats him in his last game of Tom's career. Gotta take positives when you see them. Keeps ya sane. I found a positive that the browns drafted 3 wr with their last 3 picks and we did 2. After that Baker game, they obviously draft right. So we probably do too I guess? I mean they just won their first game since 16 , historically bad team , their draft capital was ridiculous and has been ridiculous, they just whiffed on high picks. Obviously Dorsey wasn't involved , but just Not sure we want to model ourselves after the Browns..... Let's see after 16 games if the culture is really changing. I believe McDermott and Beane have established a change in culture, the dead money on the cap is just brutal to deal with for any team. The foundation will be fully laid down by next year when they had 3 drafts and 90 mil to bring in some high end talent that is missing right now. Edited September 22, 2018 by JerseyBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaru523 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 40 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: The best residual effect is we wont be hearing how great Darnold is fora while now. I agree, I mean I realize that Sam Darnold is already among the top 5 greatest QB's of all time, but do we need to be reminded every 5 minutes during every NFL game. Thank you Baker and the Browns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Very early. Baker will struggle just like every rookie has. He looked good, but after Tyrod I think anyone would of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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