Cash Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Romo agrees with you I’ll take Romo’s judgement >>>>>> Jon Ledyard any day I'm pretty interested to see what Ledyard says about Allen's performance this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cash said: I'm pretty interested to see what Ledyard says about Allen's performance this game. I’m gonna guess Ledyard says crickets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 (edited) Romo had a lot of really good stuff to say, like how Allen needs to know when to put touch on it vs when to let it rip. That’s not accuracy, that’s decision making. I think Ledyard has no clue about that. Edited September 23, 2018 by bobblehead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc said: :LOL!: Someone please post the Ledyard analysis of this game. Can not wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 56 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I’m gonna guess Ledyard says crickets I'm betting the same. Someone needs to him him up on Twit land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Just now, Doc said: I'm betting the same. Someone needs to him him up on Twit land. I looked up his feed he mentioned he was open to Josh being better early on but noticeably never mentioned them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Clause Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 10:51 PM, Bangarang said: I’m sure a lot of Bills fans would agree with much of what he said there. Boohoo he likes Rosen more. Many here felt the same way before we drafted Allen. He thinks Allen will suck. It’s his opinion and is likely not going to change that simply because Bills fans are an overly sensitive bunch. Maybe Allen will have to change that opinion by being good. It will be interesting if he critics Allen this week and what he has to say. I guess we will know his agenda one way or another if he does... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 11:37 AM, Utah John said: The biggest mystery to me is why the Bills traded McCarron. He was mediocre but competent, and he would have let Allen sit and watch. Peterman is not ever going to work out. I agree. From what I've read Beane said that McCarron was not the player that they thought he was so perhaps his thought was that AJ wouldn't mentor him. I still have no idea why Peterman is even on the roster or why the team hasn't brought in a veteran QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Fred Clause said: It will be interesting if he critics Allen this week and what he has to say. I guess we will know his agenda one way or another if he does... "Did nothing in the 2nd half." 4 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: I agree. From what I've read Beane said that McCarron was not the player that they thought he was so perhaps his thought was that AJ wouldn't mentor him. I still have no idea why Peterman is even on the roster or why the team hasn't brought in a veteran QB. I asked earlier if anyone had heard that AJM was mentoring JA in any way. Got no replies so I'd be willing to bet he wasn't and that was part of the reason to ship him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Dont worry he is going to Hammer him. He has agenda film review to do in order to kee his pre draft narrative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Dont worry he is going to Hammer him. He has agenda film review to do in order to kee his pre draft narrative I hope he does. And watching the hammering that will ensue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 If he writes nothing then you know to discount anything he writes. Never heard of him before this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Dont worry he is going to Hammer him. He has agenda film review to do in order to kee his pre draft narrative Like the entire second half. "Allen lost confidence, went into his Shell and did nothing in the second half" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 "but, but, his performance didn't match my analytics." AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA get that nerd **** outta here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Like the entire second half. "Allen lost confidence, went into his Shell and did nothing in the second half" I am sure even on the good throws he will say it came ou late. Look here mor touch needed. Blah blah blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Jon Ledyard, paging Jon Ledyard on the white courtesy phone. Allen Air is about to leave without you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Like every friggin qb in the league, open receivers are missed, there are passes under/over thrown and some bad reads....... Haven't seen the game (taped it), but heard three fumbles by Allen and that should be enough to critique him on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBill Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) Is he this hard on all the QBs? It sure seems with his language that he's convinced Allen is not what we believe he is. But maybe he's this hard on everyone. He isn't just an analytics guy the way he is breaking down plays. a typical analytics guy is only looking at stats/numbers.... At the end of the day - I really don't care what the opinion is of these folks. If Allen is getting wins - and improving, then he is what I want him to be. If he's not getting wins but still improving I'll also be happy.... Regardless of these op-ed pieces. Edited September 26, 2018 by MTBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 On 9/23/2018 at 3:08 PM, MAJBobby said: I am sure even on the good throws he will say it came ou late. Look here mor touch needed. Blah blah blah You know I dont even have a problem with it.....as long as he isnt shining up some other rookie qb and how well THEY are doing as opposed to our supposidly horrible Josh Allen. Im not really seeing that....I am seeing him focus on Josh.....which is actually a little unhealthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) He's evaluating him on the same standard as a 10 year vet. All we can ask is that he improves each week. These guys are just going to try to prove their pre draft grade was correct Edited September 26, 2018 by Mrbojanglezs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 On 9/23/2018 at 5:08 PM, MAJBobby said: I am sure even on the good throws he will say it came ou late. Look here mor touch needed. Blah blah blah Well, y'all can wander over to his twitter feed and judge for yourself. I'd rather let this speak for itself than give my take on it. https://twitter.com/LedyardNFLDraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 You can just tell the bias on these though, the one with the guy hitting him at the throw is "fairly accurate", the one where he leaves the pocket he refers to as panicking, the Ivory play, he has a guy who hasnt cleared the other defender and then a guy is in his face, so he runs. He references him being a 3rd round grade even in his commentary, but then says its because he is competitive? that doesnt add up either, felt like just a reason to get that in there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) John Ledyard Page issues John Ledyard (November 1751 – 10 January 1789) was an English explorer and adventurer. John Ledyard Born November 1751Groton, Connecticut Died 10 January 1789(aged 37)Cairo, Egypt Nationality American Education Dartmouth College Occupation Explorer Early life This guy criticizing Josh Allen is a !@#$ing explorer!!! And he’s dead. What does he know about QB’s??? Edited September 26, 2018 by BringBackFergy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said: John Ledyard Page issues John Ledyard (November 1751 – 10 January 1789) was an English explorer and adventurer. John Ledyard Born November 1751Groton, Connecticut Died 10 January 1789(aged 37)Cairo, Egypt Nationality American Education Dartmouth College Occupation Explorer Early life From Connecticut, I knew he was a Pats fan!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 49 minutes ago, MTBill said: Is he this hard on all the QBs? It sure seems with his language that he's convinced Allen is not what we believe he is. But maybe he's this hard on everyone. He isn't just an analytics guy the way he is breaking down plays. a typical analytics guy is only looking at stats/numbers.... At the end of the day - I really don't care what the opinion is of these folks. If Allen is getting wins - and improving, then he is what I want him to be. If he's not getting wins but still improving I'll also be happy.... Regardless of these op-ed pieces. I don't think he's being too hard. He clearly gives Allen kudos for the improvements he made. I have no issues with these guys analyzing the film and expecting more from a young guy over time. Grade the film for Allen the same as you would Brady. These are unbiased analytics guys. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 ..."Allen had a 3rd rd grade from me".........so this proclaimed urinalist is a tad PO'ed 'cause the kid played better than a 3rd I take it?...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: He references him being a 3rd round grade even in his commentary, but then says its because he is competitive? that doesnt add up either, felt like just a reason to get that in there I think he's saying that his draft analytics have him as even worse than a 3rd round grade, but he bumped him up to that spot because of his competitiveness. He basically thinks JA has Nathan Peterman potential. lol. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Here is John Ledyard obsessing over JA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBill Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 I'm an analytics guy - data science is very helpful. One thing though - it's only as helpful as what you put into it. Sports analytics is still a relatively young field and there are a LOT of variables unaccounted for. So - it is a bit annoying that this guy does not seem to acknowledge his grade could be wrong... It would be a fascinating case study if these people were to run the same analytics over the data on some HOF QBs against their college careers. I suspect what they'd find out is that analytics isn't the whole story and they need to tweak their models to get better at it. If all other talent/opponents college QBs faced were equal - you could focus on the measurable from only the QB. But in reality, surrounding talent/coaching/opponents are vastly wide ranging - and that has a huge impact on the QB's measureables. It's OK to be wrong John Ledyard. Stop throwing crap like "this is why I had him as a 3rd round pick" in your weekly breakdown. Critique him on the evidence before you, sans your prior judgement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 This guy is a class A asshat. After two and a half games of experience, Allen is still looking for consistency? Genius, in-depth insight and analysis there. I’m interested to see his “grades” for the other QBs in the clsss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, K-9 said: This guy is a class A asshat. After two and a half games of experience, Allen is still looking for consistency? Genius, in-depth insight and analysis there. I’m interested to see his “grades” for the other QBs in the clsss. This dudes needs to be trolled hard.....he is a pompous ****head....I don’t mind being critical or skeptical about a player but he gets off on Allen being bad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 So.........without reading through this whole thread to try and find out, has Ledtard apologized yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, zevo said: This dudes needs to be trolled hard.....he is a pompous ****head....I don’t mind being critical or skeptical about a player but he gets off on Allen being bad Well, he has an entrenched position. AFAIK, he is the only “pundit” who gave Allen a 3rd round grade. His very credibility as a talent evaluator is on the line every time Allen shows promise and contradicts that position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 20 minutes ago, MTBill said: I'm an analytics guy - data science is very helpful. One thing though - it's only as helpful as what you put into it. Sports analytics is still a relatively young field and there are a LOT of variables unaccounted for. So - it is a bit annoying that this guy does not seem to acknowledge his grade could be wrong... It would be a fascinating case study if these people were to run the same analytics over the data on some HOF QBs against their college careers. I suspect what they'd find out is that analytics isn't the whole story and they need to tweak their models to get better at it. If all other talent/opponents college QBs faced were equal - you could focus on the measurable from only the QB. But in reality, surrounding talent/coaching/opponents are vastly wide ranging - and that has a huge impact on the QB's measureables. It's OK to be wrong John Ledyard. Stop throwing crap like "this is why I had him as a 3rd round pick" in your weekly breakdown. Critique him on the evidence before you, sans your prior judgement. I have to wonder how much these self professed "analytics guys" actually have any education on the matter. it wouldn't take much to know that the statistics they have available don't support the conclusions they draw from them. yes data science is helpful but only if you know how to do science properly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Again, did this guy do analyses of Mayfield and Darnold's last 2 games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 I mean, the videos he posted from this last week aren't wrong...but I think the rest of his just give Allen a little slack because he's so raw and new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Does Jon Ledyard still have a job after that? Moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Big C said: These are unbiased analytics guys. No such thing. These guys revere analytics as though it was religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 1 hour ago, K-9 said: Well, he has an entrenched position. AFAIK, he is the only “pundit” who gave Allen a 3rd round grade. His very credibility as a talent evaluator is on the line every time Allen shows promise and contradicts that position. Does this work grammatically? Srs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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