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The Draft Network's Jon Ledyard Eviscerates Allen’s Week 2 Performance


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On 9/21/2018 at 10:51 PM, Bangarang said:

 

I’m sure a lot of  Bills fans would agree with much of what he said there. Boohoo he likes Rosen more. Many here felt the same way before we drafted Allen. He thinks Allen will suck. It’s his opinion and is likely not going to change that simply because Bills fans are an overly sensitive bunch. Maybe Allen will have to change that opinion by being good.

It will be interesting if he critics Allen this week and what he has to say. I guess we will know his agenda one way or another if he does...

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On ‎9‎/‎19‎/‎2018 at 11:37 AM, Utah John said:

The biggest mystery to me is why the Bills traded McCarron.  He was mediocre but competent, and he would have let Allen sit and watch.  Peterman is not ever going to work out.

I agree.

 

From what I've read Beane said that McCarron was not the player that they thought he was so perhaps his thought was that AJ wouldn't mentor him. I still have no idea why Peterman is even on the roster or why the team hasn't brought in a veteran QB.

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4 minutes ago, Fred Clause said:

It will be interesting if he critics Allen this week and what he has to say. I guess we will know his agenda one way or another if he does...

 

"Did nothing in the 2nd half."

4 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

I agree.

 

From what I've read Beane said that McCarron was not the player that they thought he was so perhaps his thought was that AJ wouldn't mentor him. I still have no idea why Peterman is even on the roster or why the team hasn't brought in a veteran QB.

 

I asked earlier if anyone had heard that AJM was mentoring JA in any way.  Got no replies so I'd be willing to bet he wasn't and that was part of the reason to ship him out.

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18 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Like the entire second half. "Allen lost confidence, went into his Shell and did nothing in the second half"

 

I am sure even on the good throws he will say it came ou late. Look here mor touch needed. Blah blah blah

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Is he this hard on all the QBs?

 

It sure seems with his language that he's convinced Allen is not what we believe he is.  But maybe he's this hard on everyone.

 

He isn't just an analytics guy the way he is breaking down plays.  a typical analytics guy is only looking at stats/numbers....

 

At the end of the day - I really don't care what the opinion is of these folks.  If Allen is getting wins - and improving, then he is what I want him to be.  If he's not getting wins but still improving I'll also be happy....  Regardless of these op-ed pieces.

 

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On 9/23/2018 at 3:08 PM, MAJBobby said:

 

I am sure even on the good throws he will say it came ou late. Look here mor touch needed. Blah blah blah

You know I dont even have a problem with it.....as long as he isnt shining up some other rookie qb and how well THEY are doing as opposed to our supposidly horrible Josh Allen.

 

Im not really seeing that....I am seeing him focus on Josh.....which is actually a little unhealthy

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You can just tell the bias on these though, the one with the guy hitting him at the throw is "fairly accurate", the one where he leaves the pocket he refers to as panicking, the Ivory play, he has a guy who hasnt cleared the other defender and then a guy is in his face, so he runs. He references him being a 3rd round grade even in his commentary, but then says its because he is competitive? that doesnt add up either, felt like just a reason to get that in there 

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John Ledyard

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John Ledyard (November 1751 – 10 January 1789) was an English  explorer and adventurer.

John Ledyard
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Born November 1751
Groton, Connecticut
Died 10 January 1789(aged 37)
Cairo, Egypt
Nationality American
Education Dartmouth College
Occupation Explorer

 

 

Early life
 

 

This guy criticizing Josh Allen is a !@#$ing explorer!!! And he’s dead. What does he know about QB’s??? 

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1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said:

John Ledyard

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John Ledyard (November 1751 – 10 January 1789) was an English  explorer and adventurer.

John Ledyard
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Born November 1751
Groton, Connecticut
Died 10 January 1789(aged 37)
Cairo, Egypt
Nationality American
Education Dartmouth College
Occupation Explorer

 

 
Early life
 

 

From Connecticut, I knew he was a Pats fan!!

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49 minutes ago, MTBill said:

Is he this hard on all the QBs?

 

It sure seems with his language that he's convinced Allen is not what we believe he is.  But maybe he's this hard on everyone.

 

He isn't just an analytics guy the way he is breaking down plays.  a typical analytics guy is only looking at stats/numbers....

 

At the end of the day - I really don't care what the opinion is of these folks.  If Allen is getting wins - and improving, then he is what I want him to be.  If he's not getting wins but still improving I'll also be happy....  Regardless of these op-ed pieces.

 

 

I don't think he's being too hard. He clearly gives Allen kudos for the improvements he made. I have no issues with these guys analyzing the film and expecting more from a young guy over time. Grade the film for Allen the same as you would Brady. These are unbiased analytics guys. 

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10 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

He references him being a 3rd round grade even in his commentary, but then says its because he is competitive? that doesnt add up either, felt like just a reason to get that in there 

 

I think he's saying that his draft analytics have him as even worse than a 3rd round grade, but he bumped him up to that spot because of his competitiveness.  He basically thinks JA has Nathan Peterman potential.  lol.

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I'm an analytics guy - data science is very helpful.

 

One thing though - it's only as helpful as what you put into it.  Sports analytics is still a relatively young field and there are a LOT of variables unaccounted for.

 

So - it is a bit annoying that this guy does not seem to acknowledge his grade could be wrong...  It would be a fascinating case study if these people were to run the same analytics over the data on some HOF QBs against their college careers.  I suspect what they'd find out is that analytics isn't the whole story and they need to tweak their models to get better at it.  If all other talent/opponents college QBs faced were equal - you could focus on the measurable from only the QB.  But in reality, surrounding talent/coaching/opponents are vastly wide ranging - and that has a huge impact on the QB's measureables.

 

It's OK to be wrong John Ledyard.  Stop throwing crap like "this is why I had him as a 3rd round pick" in your weekly breakdown.  Critique him on the evidence before you, sans your prior judgement.

 

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This guy is a class A asshat. After two and a half games of experience, Allen is still looking for consistency? Genius, in-depth insight and analysis there. 

 

I’m interested to see his “grades” for the other QBs in the clsss. 

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4 minutes ago, K-9 said:

This guy is a class A asshat. After two and a half games of experience, Allen is still looking for consistency? Genius, in-depth insight and analysis there. 

 

I’m interested to see his “grades” for the other QBs in the clsss. 

This dudes needs to be trolled hard.....he is a pompous ****head....I don’t mind being critical or skeptical about a player but he gets off on Allen being bad

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4 minutes ago, zevo said:

This dudes needs to be trolled hard.....he is a pompous ****head....I don’t mind being critical or skeptical about a player but he gets off on Allen being bad

Well, he has an entrenched position. AFAIK, he is the only “pundit” who gave Allen a 3rd round grade. His very credibility as a talent evaluator is on the line every time Allen shows promise and contradicts that position. 

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20 minutes ago, MTBill said:

I'm an analytics guy - data science is very helpful.

 

One thing though - it's only as helpful as what you put into it.  Sports analytics is still a relatively young field and there are a LOT of variables unaccounted for.

  

So - it is a bit annoying that this guy does not seem to acknowledge his grade could be wrong...  It would be a fascinating case study if these people were to run the same analytics over the data on some HOF QBs against their college careers.  I suspect what they'd find out is that analytics isn't the whole story and they need to tweak their models to get better at it.  If all other talent/opponents college QBs faced were equal - you could focus on the measurable from only the QB.  But in reality, surrounding talent/coaching/opponents are vastly wide ranging - and that has a huge impact on the QB's measureables.

  

It's OK to be wrong John Ledyard.  Stop throwing crap like "this is why I had him as a 3rd round pick" in your weekly breakdown.  Critique him on the evidence before you, sans your prior judgement.

 

 

I have to wonder how much these self professed "analytics guys" actually have any education on the matter. it wouldn't take much to know that the statistics they have available don't support the conclusions they draw from them. yes data science is helpful but only if you know how to do science properly.

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1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Well, he has an entrenched position. AFAIK, he is the only “pundit” who gave Allen a 3rd round grade. His very credibility as a talent evaluator is on the line every time Allen shows promise and contradicts that position. 

Does this work grammatically? Srs.

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