stuvian Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) As AJ only had 5 NFL games under his belt I never really saw him as an experienced vet. Has his trade lowered your expectations for the season? Edited September 2, 2018 by stuvian typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Why would it? He was not going to make much of a difference. IMHO, the only QB that has that potential is Allen if he develops quickly and can win games by himself. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Not even a little. McCarron was easily the worst of the 3 QBs in camp. My expectations would have been lower if they had kept him! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenWillBust Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Not really, because not sure he was ever going to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, stuvian said: As AJ only had 5 NFL games under his belt I never really saw him as an experienced vet. Has his trade lowered your expectations for the season? No. He's a backup caliber QB who would have been surrounded by a less than stellar supporting cast. No upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 So do the Bills roll with only 2 QBs or will they pick up a vet backup. Landry Jones is a Free Agent and a few vet backups may be on the trading bloc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 I am very surprised; I thought McCarron was better and would thrive when he got his shot. But he didn't and Peterman really came on. So with Peterman playing better and Allen showing positives we wind up where I thought we'd be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenWillBust Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 I think 4-5 wins with or without AJ is about right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 It's interesting that everyone seems to have the same reaction. It's been clear for nearly a month that there was probably only one way the Bills were going to have really good quarterbacking in 2018, and that would be if Allen emerged. That's still possible, whether McCarron is there or not. McCarron promised nothing more than marginally adequate quarterbacking, and once it become clear that Peterman can do that, there was not reason to keep AJ. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Not at all. But I've had the view going back to minicamp that McCarron and Peterman offer the same thing. I have been hoping Peterman would beat out McCarron for the bridge starter/eventual backup role and he did that. People have put too much stock in the Chargers game last year. Peterman is better than that. We aren't going to be good this year regardless of who the QB is. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Not at all. If we get down to our 3rd QB during the season it means we’re on the road to a Top 3 pick. A.J or anyone else for that matter won’t make a difference. We can always pick up EJ or Cardale if it comes down to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 1. I think with this porous OL, the Bills QB room will suffer injuries, and a depth of 3 QB may be needed. or 2. On the hand, getting a fifth round draft choice was quite the deal, and a risk worth taking. If Peterman and Allen are injured, I'm sure Beane could find a scrub QB. I choose number 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 My expectations are Josh Allen starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 No. I hated that we signed Aj. He’s a bum. Getting a 5th for him was epic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 I was disappointed in AJ as some teams felt he was worth giving up a 2nd round pick for last year. He's not the reason my expectations are lowered. Our offensive line is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, boater said: 1. I think with this porous OL, the Bills QB room will suffer injuries, and a depth of 3 QB may be needed. or 2. On the hand, getting a fifth round draft choice was quite the deal, and a risk worth taking. If Peterman and Allen are injured, I'm sure Beane could find a scrub QB. I choose number 2. Exactly. If number 1 happens the season is over anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 If at any time this season I'm getting pessimistic about the future I'm just going to go watch this clip below. There's a plan and there's plenty of evidence that it's working. Did anyone really thing that AJ really was a part of that plan? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 30 minutes ago, stuvian said: As AJ only had 5 NFL games under his belt I never really saw him as an experienced vet. Has his trade lowered your expectations for the season? ..if you need a pacifying vet, get Anderson....6 years with Panthers and "The Carolina Connection" but you'll have to carry 3 on the 53.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 I would have preferred that we keep him, till we have an real NO! guy, but as usual, they never ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) No. If anything this helps clarify things for the team. Wish that would have been done sooner, but we have 5th rounder for our troubles. Now Peterman gets his chance to prove he can be a franchise QB rather than just a placeholder. Fingers crossed. Also, it opens up another roster spot on a team that needs all the extra roster spots it can get. Put plainly, the Bills just don't have enough talent in the building for luxuries like keeping three QBs. Edited September 2, 2018 by VW82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 He had no affect coming or going. I figured he was the insurance plan if the draft didn't work out Peterman improving made him expendable. No more place holders. Play Allen , he doesn't work out go draft another till you find the guy. Meantime now that the old roster debris has been cleansed start on building a young nucleus of above average starters with the draft. Last years draft they got Tre and Dawkins might end up being pretty good. 2016 a wash unless Lawson gets it going. 2015 draft we got nothing. 2014 draft nothing. Till they start hitting and retaining 2/3 quality starters per draft were going nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 With very few game starts under his belt McCarrons career 93.6 QB rating, 64.7 completition %, and 3 to 1 TD to INT Ratio suggests A J McCarron can start in the NFL IMO. Lots of opinions floating around on how pedestrian A J is with nothing concrete to back it up IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 I was never a fan of the McCaron signing to begin with, I couldn't believe we got a draft pick for a guy we were probably going to cut. I never expected much with him at the helm, I still believe Josh Allen gives us the best chance to win but don't want to see his career cut short behind a make shift OL, wait until next year when we draft and pickup a few FA vets. As long as were at least competitive from game to game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 35 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said: I think 4-5 wins with or without AJ is about right. I feel like you’ve already arrived at numerous conclusions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 27 minutes ago, boater said: 1. I think with this porous OL, the Bills QB room will suffer injuries, and a depth of 3 QB may be needed. or 2. On the hand, getting a fifth round draft choice was quite the deal, and a risk worth taking. If Peterman and Allen are injured, I'm sure Beane could find a scrub QB. I choose number 2. Same with me, 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 The kids picked up the new offence better than AJM. Wipe out the 3rd game when the starting line was trying to get Cornfed killed and they both out preformed him. So what was he going to teach them? how not to do it? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 It’s a fair question. I had wondered what AJ ‘s potential was and have to say I expected him to win the job and be the opening day starter. After that, who knows ? While injury didn’t help, he failed to impress. My overall expectations weren’t very high once it was clear the Bills weren’t getting a Bradford type to start the season while a rookie was being groomed. I don’t think Peterman is anything more than a career backup, so overall my hopes have only been downgraded slightly. . Anything more than 5 wins would be a pleasant surprise to me. 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: So do the Bills roll with only 2 QBs or will they pick up a vet backup. Landry Jones is a Free Agent and a few vet backups may be on the trading bloc I wouldn’t bother. Season is in the schitter if you’re down to QB 3 anyway, so it may as well be a Logan Thomas or Braxton Miller type that can do something else. They might just grab a QB though, as it doesn’t seem like they’re going to find the OL or WR help that is desperately needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Regardless of the fact that McCarron has a little more time in the league and a few more starts, Peterman was far more consistent this preseason. I think Peterman is going to be fine as a bridge until Josh Allen is ready. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 No. It just means Allen is developing fast enough they feel comfortable going ahead with just two QBs. If he was lost or Nate looked worse, AJ would still be on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Slow to process like Allen, weak arm like Peterman. I thought he might be good when we signed him. I was definitely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) 51 minutes ago, TigerJ said: Regardless of the fact that McCarron has a little more time in the league and a few more starts, Peterman was far more consistent this preseason. I think Peterman is going to be fine as a bridge until Josh Allen is ready. They still need 3. Final opinion on this trade depends on who they sign and for how much - most likely one that was just cut Edit: of course the FINAL final opinion depends on the pick ha ha. But for this year, IMO you can't go with just 2 rookies Edited September 2, 2018 by Jerome007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlonce Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 3 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: Not at all. If we get down to our 3rd QB during the season it means we’re on the road to a Top 3 pick. A.J or anyone else for that matter won’t make a difference. We can always pick up EJ or Cardale if it comes down to it. Thats an Infamnia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodHands15 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Luka said: Slow to process like Allen, weak arm like Peterman. I thought he might be good when we signed him. I was definitely wrong. Allen is trusting the process just fine. Edited September 2, 2018 by GoodHands15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 50 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: They still need 3. Final opinion on this trade depends on who they sign and for how much - most likely one that was just cut Edit: of course the FINAL final opinion depends on the pick ha ha. But for this year, IMO you can't go with just 2 rookies A seasoned veteran is a nice security blanket, but McCarron really didn't provide much of that. I agree a third QB is desirable, but I don't know that you're going to find a veteran at this point who even gives you what McCarron did in terms of quality veteran leadership. I would be a bit surprised if they didn't acquire some insurance, but I think it will come in the form of a practice squad addition, so obviously we're not talking a veteran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timtebow15 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Yes my expectations are lower because he was supposed to provide some experience and could have given us another option if Peterman chokes in live action. Peterman has looked good this preseason but regular season is different. McCarron did not look good but he was also getting used to a new situation and has played well for Cincy so I think we could have one some games with him. Too bad they were hell bent to get rid of Tyrod because I think that would have been a better situation with him playing until Allen was ready. We all hope Allen is the answer but it doesn't appear he is quite ready so winning this year seems to rest on Peterman. I'd be very surprised if Allen played before Peterman gets hurt or we have 4 losses early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 him and Nate are basically clones so no point of keeping both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timtebow15 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, jr1 said: him and Nate are basically clones clowns so no point of keeping both Fixed that for you. jk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 This season (and the next phase of the franchise) hinges entirely on whether or not Josh Allen is good or bad. We still don't know the answer to that. AJ is and was irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Wow. The optimism is stunning. How quickly we've forgotten when the Bills went into the season with EJ, Tuel Time, and Thad Lewis. We're likely to suffer the same growing pains as Maroon's first season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 18 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Wow. The optimism is stunning. How quickly we've forgotten when the Bills went into the season with EJ, Tuel Time, and Thad Lewis. We're likely to suffer the same growing pains as Maroon's first season. Ever notice that Doug Marrone is vilified around here because he took the money and ran at the end of the 2014 season, whereas McD is triumphantly heralded as the guy who broke the drought and got us into the playoffs, despite each achieving exactly the same 9-7 record? If outside variables beyond the control of either coach had been slightly different, Marrone would have ended the drought and McD would have failed to make the playoffs in his first season with the team. Who says luck isn't important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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