oldmanfan Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Reading a lot of hysteria about letting all our vets go to accumulate picks, the season is doomed, and so on. But similar concerns were raised last preseason and the reality is they made the playoffs. So removing the hysteria and focusing on reality: 1. Middle of the O line is clearly the biggest team weakness. I was very disappointed in Groy today, same with Miller, and Ducasse was just dominated. A guy his size cannot just allow himself to be pushed straight back. I expect Teller starts and Ducasse gets cut, maybe Miller as well, and that a C is targeted high in the draft next year. 2. Allen is going to be good, but Peterman has to start. He gets the ball out quickly which will have to be done with our O line. 3. D will be OK. Davis had a tough day but should be OK. Pass rush was lacking but they didn't show everything in their packages. And Edmunds will be a load soon. 4. Clay is expendable. Start Croom. I expect we'll be active in trades or waiver wire for linemen. And that while we may not be as good as last year we will not be the train wreck some are wringing their hands over. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Interesting that people have been predicting that Ducasse would be cut ever since he got here, but there he is starting each week... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Reading a lot of hysteria about letting all our vets go to accumulate picks, the season is doomed, and so on. But similar concerns were raised last preseason and the reality is they made the playoffs. So removing the hysteria and focusing on reality: 1. Middle of the O line is clearly the biggest team weakness. I was very disappointed in Groy today, same with Miller, and Ducasse was just dominated. A guy his size cannot just allow himself to be pushed straight back. I expect Teller starts and Ducasse gets cut, maybe Miller as well, and that a C is targeted high in the draft next year. 2. Allen is going to be good, but Peterman has to start. He gets the ball out quickly which will have to be done with our O line. 3. D will be OK. Davis had a tough day but should be OK. Pass rush was lacking but they didn't show everything in their packages. And Edmunds will be a load soon. 4. Clay is expendable. Start Croom. I expect we'll be active in trades or waiver wire for linemen. And that while we may not be as good as last year we will not be the train wreck some are wringing their hands over. Dawkins hasn't looked good either. Oline must be upgraded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I was very disappointed in Groy, I had high expectations for him. Maybe he is better on the line rather than in the middle. I want Miller gone immediately. He is absolute trash, and has been trash for the past two seasons. There is no reason to get three penalties in a half of play, especially not a damn leg whip penalty. At least Ducasse can run block. Miller can't do either. Clay is what he is, an aging old turd that isn't trying anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Dawkins hasn't looked good either. Oline must be upgraded. Dawkins didn’t even play today, did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 The middle of our OL was beyond bad. The OTs were just bad. Makes for a long year boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: I was very disappointed in Groy, I had high expectations for him. Maybe he is better on the line rather than in the middle. I want Miller gone immediately. He is absolute trash, and has been trash for the past two seasons. There is no reason to get three penalties in a half of play, especially not a damn leg whip penalty. At least Ducasse can run block. Miller can't do either. Clay is what he is, an aging old turd that isn't trying anymore. Yeah Groy was just puzzling. Is it because of the guys on either side of him? Don't think so- think the first series the DT went by him like he was standing still. Probably because he was standing still. 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Dawkins didn’t even play today, did he? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Interesting that people have been predicting that Ducasse would be cut ever since he got here, but there he is starting each week... That's a fact. I am not sure what they see in him but it has to be something. Castillo may just be that bad. Or maybe it just takes him a while to get going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) Teller and Mills played good today. Clay just looked lost, I remember him going out to block on a screen pass to Murphy and he went to go block a defender and just whiffed on him right in front of him, so many bad plays today, Vontae Davis wtf? You grabbed the guy and he still catches the ball and deeks out not only Davis but our so called leader in the secondary Poyer? I'll just chalk it up as a very bad day but the OL needs to be purged, I'd rather see some aging vets than these guys who have no ability to block. Edited August 27, 2018 by BuffaloBillsGospel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Dawkins didn’t even play today, did he? Whoever was over there was hot garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Dawkins, Teller and Mills played good today. Clay just looked lost, I remember him going out to block on a screen pass to Murphy and he went to go block a defender and just whiffed on him right in front of him, so many bad plays today, Vontae Davis wtf? You grabbed the guy and he still catches the ball and deeks out not only Davis but our so called leader in the secondary Poyer? I'll just chalk it up as a very bad day but the OL needs to be purged, I'd rather see some aging vets than these guys who have no ability to block. Dawkins was out today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Interesting that people have been predicting that Ducasse would be cut ever since he got here, but there he is starting each week... And the results speak for themselves. He and his OL coach both need to be sent up the same Creek without a paddle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 The reality is we lost 2 starting linemen in one offseason and the ones that stayed aren't any good other than Dawkins. Next year's draft is going to be heavy on offensive and defensive line. Until then we're stuck. Hopefully Teller develops quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Reality is that Mahomes is gonna be good. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Whomever starts the season at QB will not make it through the season without a serious injury playing behind this swiss cheese line. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Saying Allen is going to be good is a ridiculous as those calling him a bust, it's a total unknown at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: The reality is we lost 2 starting linemen in one offseason and the ones that stayed aren't any good other than Dawkins. Next year's draft is going to be heavy on offensive and defensive line. Until then we're stuck. Hopefully Teller develops quickly. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, The_Dude said: Reality is that Mahomes is gonna be good. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Reading a lot of hysteria about letting all our vets go to accumulate picks, the season is doomed, and so on. But similar concerns were raised last preseason and the reality is they made the playoffs. So removing the hysteria and focusing on reality: 1. Middle of the O line is clearly the biggest team weakness. I was very disappointed in Groy today, same with Miller, and Ducasse was just dominated. A guy his size cannot just allow himself to be pushed straight back. I expect Teller starts and Ducasse gets cut, maybe Miller as well, and that a C is targeted high in the draft next year. 2. Allen is going to be good, but Peterman has to start. He gets the ball out quickly which will have to be done with our O line. 3. D will be OK. Davis had a tough day but should be OK. Pass rush was lacking but they didn't show everything in their packages. And Edmunds will be a load soon. 4. Clay is expendable. Start Croom. I expect we'll be active in trades or waiver wire for linemen. And that while we may not be as good as last year we will not be the train wreck some are wringing their hands over. Totally agree. O-Line was fools gold-ish last year. Tyrod made them look better than they were. Was my #1 concern going into the year (actually, every year for the last 20). Peterman deserves the start. I agree. He's a gamer, has the poise, and throws a nice ball. Not so sure about the D anymore. Davis looked old. D-Line pressure was non-existent. WTF. Clay can go away as far as I'm concerned. Looks good 20% of the time. We need 100% players. Might be time to put the best blocking TE in to help block every play, and/or along with FB. Only leaves 3/4 guys to make plays, but the alternative is terrible. All 3 games, our 2nd team looks better than their 2nd team... depth isn't a problem. First team is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Buddy Hix said: Saying Allen is going to be good is a ridiculous as those calling him a bust, it's a total unknown at this point. It's an unknown for all the young QBs. But you saw things today that bode well. Stood tall in the pocket, had decent mobility, his supposed inaccuracy was not evident the few times he actually had time to throw. Like all young QBs the game has to slow down for him. Hard to get things to slow down the the other team is in your face all day long. 1 minute ago, BuffaloBillies said: Totally agree. O-Line was fools gold-ish last year. Tyrod made them look better than they were. Was my #1 concern going into the year (actually, every year for the last 20). Peterman deserves the start. I agree. He's a gamer, has the poise, and throws a nice ball. Not so sure about the D anymore. Davis looked old. D-Line pressure was non-existent. WTF. Clay can go away as far as I'm concerned. Looks good 20% of the time. We need 100% players. Might be time to put the best blocking TE in to help block every play, and/or along with FB. Only leaves 3/4 guys to make plays, but the alternative is terrible. All 3 games, our 2nd team looks better than their 2nd team... depth isn't a problem. First team is. All good points. Plus Shady makes them look better in the run game. Forgot to mention earlier but this Murphy kid is a keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Fan in LA Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Most everybody on this board has sounded really chippy the past few days, predicting big things from J Allen. He looked like a rookie playing in front of a bad O Line to me, and that's what we've got. That's reality. Cincy might be much improved, but we looked very disorganized. Shady didn't play, but that was about the only piece missing from this puzzle. The O and D Lines looked mostly awful today. I don't understand how people are saying it's still a preseason game and we weren't showing anything. I don't see the interior linemen making big improvements any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I'm more concerned with our defense at the moment. No rush, linebackers and secondary giving up pass after pass and HUGE chunks of yardage. Run D looked decent, but then, the Bengals didn't really need to run the ball at all. They passed the ball at will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I pretty much agree. I can't blame Allen for a lot of his frustration, but he didn't so anything to show he's ready to start either. Peterman looked like he had a pretty good command of the situation. He girves the Bills a better chance to win. I'll see what McCarron can do in the last preseason game to redeem himself after his last outing, but at this point, if this was a legitimate comopetition, Peterman is the winner. The line was terrible today. Dawkins has some growing to do, but joesixpack is right. Dawkins sat this one out. I think he'll be OK. Marshall Newhouse was terrible in his place, and the interior of the line wasn't any better. I'm hoping it was a wakeup call that causes them to buckle down and work harder. The coaches have to give some thought to experimenting with some younger guys to see if they can co any better. I think Teller would be better off sitting and developing over time, but maybe McDermott has to give him a shot if Ducasse and Miller can't do the job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I’d like to thank the Bengals for that butt-whooping. Exposed a lot of this team’s problems. Probably hard to tell how bad the pass rush is vs that horrible O-Line in practice and vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: I'm more concerned with our defense at the moment. No rush, linebackers and secondary giving up pass after pass and HUGE chunks of yardage. Run D looked decent, but then, the Bengals didn't really need to run the ball at all. They passed the ball at will. They were in a vaniilla base defense almost all game, I think i saw 3 or 4 corner and safety blitzes all game long, that will be totally different come game time imo but who knows, hopefully you're wrong, Vontae davis looked very suspect, White and Poyer were just as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 27 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Dawkins hasn't looked good either. Oline must be upgraded. He didn’t play and last week he had Myles Garrett. That boy is gonna make a lot of people look bad, especially a second year Tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: Saying Allen is going to be good is a ridiculous as those calling him a bust, it's a total unknown at this point. Today didn't change my opinion about Josh Allen ( or the Oline ) I got sucked into believing Allen could make a bad Oline better, and as we just witnessed, its to much to ask in my humble opinion. Despite the big arm the kids not superman in a Bills uni... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Worst OL I have ever seen in my entire time watching this team, and weve had some bad ones. Defense has not impressed even a little... Yeah im not confident at this junction 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Bill Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 All the "Allen should start" hype came crashing back to reality today. As mentioned above he's not going to make a bad line look great. I totally agree that Peterman looks like our best bet for now to start. I am still a little worried that even he will end up on his backside too often with this O-line, but we are what we are at this point. Here's hoping that they start to gel (vs the jello we've been seeing). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Daboll has his work cut out for him. His OL coach is the worst in the league, his OL is the worst in the league. His WRs are probably the worst in the league. Unless he can scheme a way to get guys open FAST, we’re gonna be picking top 5 for sure. Next years offseason will dictate Beanes future. If we spend 10 mill on a Lotuleileieieie at LG, RG and WR, he’ll be sent packing. Going into this season with this current OL was a failure on his part. McD gets the blame for Castillo. Fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 40 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: I was very disappointed in Groy, I had high expectations for him. Maybe he is better on the line rather than in the middle. I want Miller gone immediately. He is absolute trash, and has been trash for the past two seasons. There is no reason to get three penalties in a half of play, especially not a damn leg whip penalty. At least Ducasse can run block. Miller can't do either. Clay is what he is, an aging old turd that isn't trying anymore. Agreed with you, When Woods got hurt and Groy filled in the last time at center was Cog already here or was that the year prior? Glenn also played pretty well that season too, before getting all nicked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Get ready for the #1 Pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Dawkins hasn't looked good either. Oline must be upgraded. Dawkins did not play today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, The_Dude said: Reality is that Mahomes is gonna be good. Reality is Mahomes sat a year and the Chiefs added additional players to help him. No different than letting Allen sit this year and the Bills add playmakers and upgrade the OL in the off-season. Allen has done nothing but impress me thus far. I like his moxy, his arm and thus far the accuracy concerns seem over hyped. The game didn’t look too big for him today behind a pee wee OL. Put Mahomes on the Bills right now and I highly doubt you’d be posting the same comment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFL Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 3 hours ago, BuffaloBillies said: Totally agree. O-Line was fools gold-ish last year. Tyrod made them look better than they were. Was my #1 concern going into the year (actually, every year for the last 20). Peterman deserves the start. I agree. He's a gamer, has the poise, and throws a nice ball. Not so sure about the D anymore. Davis looked old. D-Line pressure was non-existent. WTF. Clay can go away as far as I'm concerned. Looks good 20% of the time. We need 100% players. Might be time to put the best blocking TE in to help block every play, and/or along with FB. Only leaves 3/4 guys to make plays, but the alternative is terrible. All 3 games, our 2nd team looks better than their 2nd team... depth isn't a problem. First team is. Back to back games our ones get manhandled. If they didnt pull Dalton it would have been real ugly. No way Josh should go in with this O line......we’re running out of QB’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 3 hours ago, joesixpack said: Dawkins didn’t even play today, did he? Negative. He did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 3 hours ago, joesixpack said: Dawkins didn’t even play today, did he? No he did not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 3 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Yeah Groy was just puzzling. Is it because of the guys on either side of him? Don't think so- think the first series the DT went by him like he was standing still. Probably because he was standing still. To be truthful, and not wanting to make excuses, but the Bengals were keying on our OL and getting off their line so quickly, that I wondered if they had some skinny on the Bills snap count or if Allen (or Groy/Bodine) has one helluva "tell" that they picked out on film. Maybe AJ or Bodine could do a little sleuthing and find out. The last game I've seen like it was the first half of the Denver-Carolina Superbowl when it seemed the Panthers center could barely snap the ball before someone in a Denver uniform was sitting in Newton's lap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 3 hours ago, The_Dude said: Reality is that Mahomes is gonna be good. And if he wasn't we'd be asking why we let Whaley draft our qb before we fired him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 9 hours ago, Buddy Hix said: Saying Allen is going to be good is a ridiculous as those calling him a bust, it's a total unknown at this point. Many fans here have a hard time distinguishing between what they want to be, and what is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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