LeSean McCoy allegations

[first_and_ten]

3 minutes ago, Pete said:

Zeke was last season.  And AP has been bad for a few seasons.  I was responding to "every team deals with these issues every offseason".  I strongly disagree

Do me there is a huge difference between beating up your girlfriend, stealing from a cop, or fighting your brother then doing PEDs.  They are not comparable at all

 

I agree, but still a problem for those teams. Let's not forget Winston either.

Edited July 11, 2018 by first_and_ten

[Ol Dirty B]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

We're allowed to have gut feelings.  We'd better be ready to discard them when they don't fit the facts, though.

 

One thing no one's mentioned yet: she was pistol whipped, and whipped more severely than her roommate.  Tha disparity is probably why police think she was targeted...but that's also a means of assault that displays a lot of anger.  Why pistol whip?  A straight-up burglary with a firearm, the tendency is for the intruder to try to intimidate with the gun and control people.  To physically assault someone by striking them with a gun?  That's unusual.

 

Someone was angry with her.  Maybe because she's been pissing them off for months, maybe because he was angry she was home when he thought she was in London, maybe because she woke up and surprised him, maybe she mouthed off.  Don't know.  But he was angry, and hit her instead of threatening to shoot her...which also tends to indicate the assault was impulsive, not planned.

Oh, and a synonym for pistol whipping someone is to "buffalo" them.

 

Who has she been pissing off for months and is living in his house, refusing to leave?

 

Came back after probably posting a bunch of dumb pictures wearing jewelry shady wants back?

 

You can trace a gun with a bullet but you can't really trace a pistol whip.

 

Not to mention a random guy or whatever pulling that in that moment, if he's surprised, is going to panic. He went there to get some jewelry not to kill her. Regardless of the fact doing it with a gun either way, fired or not, is essentially a death sentence if you get caught.

 

You're saying things aren't usual, but none of this is usual. It all goes out the window. Also, I think a pistol whipping is a lot more usual than you'd think. Maybe it wasn't even a real gun. When I was a kid I worked at a place that got stuck up, and the guy I worked with got pistol whipped because he wouldn't give them the cash. 

 

Turns out it was like an airsoft gun or something, a piece broke off the handle that struck him. You're dismissing everyone else's opinion but assuming just as much with your own opinion.

 

The robbery happened in a pretty well off neighborhood. He let's off shots that's the cops. 

 

You also said he hit her with out threatening to shoot her, where has that been reported?

Edited July 11, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[BobbyC81]

3 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

What was unusual was that the party was for females only.

 

I'm sure most of them on the invite list were hot, but it wasn't for "hot females" per se.  It was for females.

 

 

 

 

IIRC it said something like 'good looking women only' and send pictures.

[xxxxxxxx]

2 hours ago, The Red King said:

 

I agree, and said as much.  In fact, had someone arguing semantics with me on word choice for it.  I never said her doing it to herself was the most likely possibility, only that it was a plausible one.

This just in. Plausible is a synonym for likely, reasonable, and believable. So if your shocked that someone took issue with your choice of words, then you are using words that sound smart to you without understanding how they are defined.When you say plausible you are asserting an above average degree of believability not a remote possibility.  

No one, including the police or McCoy have made the assertion that she did it herself, yet you see no problem with waxing poetically over the fact that such an outcome, which is rare and unlikely, is in your eyes perfectly plausible. Its sloppy reasoning dressed up to sound smart, and a potential indicator of some baggage that you might be dragging along that makes you question women, who may have gone through pretty traumatic experiences, regularily, because yor more concerned about your football team than the effect that your suspicians may have on a potential victim of violence.

Edited July 11, 2018 by MURPHD6

[Buffaloflash]

I really have to hand it to you guys,you have provide enough material and comments

regarding Shady's current situation, that I'm pretty confident he will be cleared of all accusations!

As I stated earlier,the broads set him up.Good Night!

 

[transplantbillsfan]

Hey guys, it's 10 o'clock my time. I'm going to bed. If you reach 100 pages in the next 7  hours or so, which appears likely, pretend I'm here celebrating as the confetti drops

[The Red King]

1 hour ago, MURPHD6 said:

This just in. Plausible is a synonym for likely, reasonable, and believable. So if your shocked that someone took issue with your choice of words, then you are using words that sound smart to you without understanding how they are defined.When you say plausible you are asserting an above average degree of believability not a remote possibility.  

No one, including the police or McCoy have made the assertion that she did it herself, yet you see no problem with waxing poetically over the fact that such an outcome, which is rare and unlikely, is in your eyes perfectly plausible. Its sloppy reasoning dressed up to sound smart, and a potential indicator of some baggage that you might be dragging along that makes you question women, who may have gone through pretty traumatic experiences, regularily, because yor more concerned about your football team than the effect that your suspicians may have on a potential victim of violence.

 

Plausible =/= likely.  Plausible = possible.  Do your homework.  From Merriam-Webster themselves...

 

"appearing worthy of belief"

• the argument was both powerful and plausible"

 

It is entirely possible for a situation to have multiple, plausible outcomes.  I am not defending McCoy.  I am, as I have been, defending the simple fact that there isn't enough evidence to determine what actually happened, and that there are multiple possibilities, all plausible!

 

Also from Merriam-Webster:  "A plausible explanation is one that sounds as if it could be true."  Try actually researching a word next time before critisizing someone else's use of it.

Edited July 11, 2018 by The Red King

[Fadingpain]

3 hours ago, Lfod said:

I'm thinking of starting a class with charts and graphs for rich guys and how to handle women.

 

Moving a girl in and kids involved is a red zone class. Please avoid it. Staying the night is more yellow zone. In the car or at her crap shack is green zone. I'm sure I'll make hundreds. 

You're forgetting that McCoy is a complete idiot, and so are all the other guys just like him who would benefit from your class.

 

You can't teach an idiot how to not be an idiot.

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

15 hours ago, BuffaloBob said:

Your point is nothing but irrelevant deflection using a strawman argument.  Regardless of who is meddling from the outside, in OUR COUNTRY, it is illegal for a candidate too accept the meddlers help to get him or herself elected.  It is on the candidate to OBEY THE LAW and refuse such help, because there WILL ALWAYS BE ATTEMPTS TO GAIN INFLUENCE FROM THE OUTSIDE.  The reasons for that should be obvious.  We don't want our newly elected potus beholding to a foreign power for accepting that help, nor do we want our potus favoring that foreign meddler when it comes to decisions he or she has to make that are critical to our national security.  Just like we don't want our potus making decisions that are against the interest of the country because they benefit him financially.

 

Whether Obama or anyone else has attempted to influence an election or vote abroad on behalf of this country is completely and utterly irrelevant to this issue.  I'm NOT BLAMING RUSSIA.  What is relevant is whether a candidate for the President of these United States accepts that help, in violation of OUR ELECTION LAWS and compromises him or herself in doing so.  And if an elected POTUS has done just that, we need to KNOW IT and he needs to go NOW!

 

Sure, do as I say, not as I do, no? I mean, it's "utterly irrelevant."

 

It's been almost 2 years and you are all but (if not literally) praying for some sort of collusion. Don't you think that these witch hunting crooks would have taken action long ago if there was wrong doing? My respectful suggestion is to tell yourself that the people spoke in 2016, and to worry more about the bastions of truth and decency such as Hillary, Mark and Huma Weiner, Wasserman-Schultz, Harvey Weinstein, Spitzer, Maxine Waters, and every other degenerate running your party.

 

PS: Please do not view the above as an endorsement of republicans.

 

 

Edited July 11, 2018 by Bill from NYC

[ALF]

I just hope thy have their best detectives and DA  this case . The following stills sticks in my mind though.

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

I don't know if McCoy is innocent or guilty, but I will say the same thing I posted when he was jammed up for fighting cops and here it is:

 

This, if he gets off, will not be the last time that he gets into trouble. Criminal behavior repeats itself. I am not talking about one DUI 40 years ago. I am saying that in most cases, violent criminal behavior is consistent.

[The_Real]

Until solid evidence is provided, I’ll respectfully reserve judgment. Working in the casino in NY, I met McCoy a number of times. Was always polite. Never came with an entourage. Wanted to be left alone. All in all I thought he was intelligent and well spoken. Can’t defend any of this but I feel like he knows how much he has to lose with this stupidity. 

 

Timing is just so weird. He’s been trying to evict this lady for months, she delays the case for personal reasons and then accusations are made that Shady beat her up?  Then her friends say some dudes did it? All centered around jewelry specific to what McCoy bought her?  Seems odd to me. The only jewelry of value came from him?  People really went there and only took his things?  

 

I mean, how stupid would you have to be to either do that or send someone to do that?  All signs will point to you. 

 

Or

 

Someone knows all signs will point to you. 

 

Like I said, I will wait for the truth to come out. If he’s guilty, put him in jail, I have no sympathy for anyone who does that to another human being. But something doesn’t add up here. 

[BringBackFergy]

5 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

Looked quickly and didn't see this in the thread, so just in case...

 

If it was exculpatory news he would leak it. Leads me to believe it’s the other 

[Teddy KGB]

7 hours ago, mannc said:

Relax.  He’s a 30-year old RB.  His absence (or presence) won’t move the dial much at all.

 

Freezing cold take.  

 

Must have missed the last 2 years of Bills Football 

[Fadingpain]

If McCoy is off the team, we'll get another RB who slots into the same role and....the team will do about the same.

 

 

[dollars 2 donuts]

4 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

At least we have this...

 

 

Because he knows this may be an FBI set-up.

 

Threat level: midnight.

 

Whiskey. Tango. Franklin.

 

Hey, is Mark Spitz over there wearing a wire?!

[BringBackFergy]

2 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

Because he knows this may be an FBI set-up.

 

Threat level: midnight.

 

Whiskey. Tango. Franklin.

 

Hey, is Mark Spitz over there wearing a wire?!

I’m pretty sure Ritchie only deals in high level government espionage. That’s why he keeps saying “g” in his post. Maybe Shady is a CIA operative as well. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

Just now, BringBackFergy said:

I’m pretty sure Ritchie only deals in high level government espionage. That’s why he keeps saying “g” in his post. Maybe Shady is a CIA operative as well. 

 

BBF we shouldn't even be talking about this stuff in open forums.

 

I will contact you privately through discord channels later to discuss the skinny on this mishigosh. 

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

 

 

You can't teach an idiot how to not be an idiot.

 

 

You just summarized why the Canadian educational system is a waste.

5 hours ago, bbb said:

 

No, that wasn't The Lincoln Lawyer - that was Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Killer.  Daniel Day-Lewis won the Oscar for it. 

Is that the one where Sarah Marie Gellar seduced Selma Hayek at a picnic?

[Bad Things]

Page #78....... BRRRRUUUUUUUCCCCCEEE!!!

[fansince88]

8 hours ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

He's sleeping with the maid

And this is why we call you Mr!

[eball]

I dunno, of course there's so much to be revealed, but my "Spidey Sense" tells me this is a setup.  Jilted ex upset that Shady has been trying to get her out of his house for months.  Legal process initiated.  Is it a coincidence that a hearing was scheduled yesterday and this stuff happens?  Lawyer representing ex is an attention seeker -- she trademarked "pitbull in a skirt" -- yet doesn't even spell McCoy's name correctly in her "statement" released to news sources.  Lots of vague information presented as "fact."

 

Shady's kid's mom has come out and said the kid has never been abused.  So there's one lie.  I think we also now know (or are pretty sure) the assailant wasn't Shady himself.  So we're beyond the "heat of the moment" scenario frequently associated with domestic violence.  There are a few keys to this "case" in my opinion:

 

1 - What's on the security cameras?

2 - Is there any evidence that ties Shady to some sort of direct request for a "hit" on the ex?

3 - What would Shady's motivation be for calling out such an order?  The eviction case was going to be heard and he would have won.

 

Look, if Shady ordered someone to break in and beat/rob this chick then he deserves whatever the legal system doles out.  But this is as fishy as hell.

 

We'll all find out soon enough.

[Freddie's Dead]

78 pages of unbridled innuendo and uninformed speculation.  Awesome, a new low for TBD. 

[slaphappy]

7 minutes ago, eball said:

 

2 - Is there any evidence that ties Shady to some sort of direct request for a "hit" on the ex?

 

We'll all find out soon enough.

 The "intruder" asking for specific items may be damning. How would he know what to demand? I would imagine the two most likely suspects would be Shady or the girl hired someone to beat the snot out of her. One seems more likely than the other to me.

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

5 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

78 pages of unbridled innuendo and uninformed speculation.  Awesome, a new low for TBD. 

 

You were expecting something different???

[BillsBytheBay]

1 minute ago, slaphappy said:

 The "intruder" asking for specific items may be damning. How would he know what to demand? I would imagine the two most likely suspects would be Shady or the girl hired someone to beat the snot out of her. One seems more likely than the other to me.

Her allegations do sound damning.  Still to me, a lot hinges on finding her assailant.

  

[N.Y. Orangeman]

3 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

 

You were expecting something different???

Agreed and I would add that his moralistic post on the thread he is criticizing is hysterical.  "All of you have hit a new low....now let me hop into this and tell you why..."

Edited July 11, 2018 by N.Y. Orangeman

[slaphappy]

Just now, JaxBills said:

Her allegations do sound damning.  Still to me, a lot hinges on finding her assailant.

  

Unless she completely made that part up after the fact. I hadn't thought of that until just now.

[Doc Brown]

I have zero clue what happened, but did you really need to show a before picture on that Instagram post?  You mean she doesn't usually look like somebody beat the hell out of her?

[xxxxxxxx]

2 hours ago, The Red King said:

 

Plausible =/= likely.  Plausible = possible.  Do your homework.  From Merriam-Webster themselves...

 

"appearing worthy of belief"

• the argument was both powerful and plausible"

 

It is entirely possible for a situation to have multiple, plausible outcomes.  I am not defending McCoy.  I am, as I have been, defending the simple fact that there isn't enough evidence to determine what actually happened, and that there are multiple possibilities, all plausible!

 

Also from Merriam-Webster:  "A plausible explanation is one that sounds as if it could be true."  Try actually researching a word next time before critisizing someone else's use of it.

Dear Internet detective keyboard warrior. Merriam webster sucks. HARD. Its a silly American Dictionary, with no etymological context. No one who knows anything about etymology (look that word up too) or semantics gives a crap about what it says. Its used by grade school kids, so I think your quoting a definition meant for 4th graders. Try looking the word up in the Oxford, the 4th (legal) definition might surprise you. Then stop telling people to do research. Because your research is at the level of an elementary school student who just learned how to google, but doesn't have the attention span to read beyond a few sentences.

Edited July 11, 2018 by MURPHD6

[BillsBytheBay]

8 minutes ago, slaphappy said:

Unless she completely made that part up after the fact. I hadn't thought of that until just now.

I read her lawyers allegations, and it reminded me of my ex wife's allegations against me.  Not that I was accused of pistol-whipping or robbing, but that in an allegation you're free to accuse anything you'd like.  

  That said, without the Instagram pics and accusations, I'd be more likely to believe her.  But once social media is used, you've corrupted the issue to me.  Is it justice or vengace she wants?  The victims lawyer made her dumb ass friend take down the post, so I believe at least her lawyer agreed.

Edited July 11, 2018 by JaxBills

[ALF]

14 minutes ago, slaphappy said:

 The "intruder" asking for specific items may be damning. How would he know what to demand? I would imagine the two most likely suspects would be Shady or the girl hired someone to beat the snot out of her. One seems more likely than the other to me.

 

She knew what Shady gave her , might have been a real robbery. No forced entry unless this is a real pro is a question.

 

If they never find the attacker Shady might be in the clear once again.

[Wayne Cubed]

23 minutes ago, slaphappy said:

 The "intruder" asking for specific items may be damning. How would he know what to demand? I would imagine the two most likely suspects would be Shady or the girl hired someone to beat the snot out of her. One seems more likely than the other to me.

 

Her posting all over Insta the type of jewellery she has or out talking about it at "da club" means someone who doesn't know her personally could ask for specific items, no?

 

Could it also not be probable that this intruder went there, knowing she wasn't home because it was all over social, looking for these things and was surprised to find her there?

39 minutes ago, eball said:

I dunno, of course there's so much to be revealed, but my "Spidey Sense" tells me this is a setup.  Jilted ex upset that Shady has been trying to get her out of his house for months.  Legal process initiated.  Is it a coincidence that a hearing was scheduled yesterday and this stuff happens?  Lawyer representing ex is an attention seeker -- she trademarked "pitbull in a skirt" -- yet doesn't even spell McCoy's name correctly in her "statement" released to news sources.  Lots of vague information presented as "fact."

 

Shady's kid's mom has come out and said the kid has never been abused.  So there's one lie.  I think we also now know (or are pretty sure) the assailant wasn't Shady himself.  So we're beyond the "heat of the moment" scenario frequently associated with domestic violence.  There are a few keys to this "case" in my opinion:

 

1 - What's on the security cameras?

2 - Is there any evidence that ties Shady to some sort of direct request for a "hit" on the ex?

3 - What would Shady's motivation be for calling out such an order?  The eviction case was going to be heard and he would have won.

 

Look, if Shady ordered someone to break in and beat/rob this chick then he deserves whatever the legal system doles out.  But this is as fishy as hell.

 

We'll all find out soon enough.

 

And why go through the legal process at all if he was just going to order a hit? He'd also have to be next level stupid to order it on the night she returns from London. It seems odd.

 

It could also be the case that knowing she was away Shady asked someone to stop by the house and pick up these items... didn't order him to beat the crap out of this women... and this guy took it upon himself to do it when he realized they were home.

 

But as you say, we shall find out soon enough.

[dollars 2 donuts]

Btw, not for nothing, but the dead cap money if Shady goes is $5.25 million, and I believe we get $3.45 million in cap relief, if I'm reading Spotrac correctly.

 

Edit: and we would obviously and easily hit the $50 million mark in dead cap money this year.

Edited July 11, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts

[Ittakestime]

The minute I followed this "instagram model" on the gram it was almost comical to me how fake this chick was. She wanted to be famous so bad. Everything about her was fake, from her voice to her body to her intentions. 

 

I would let this play out. Too many things are falling directly in line.  Her just getting back from Europe. Court date where she knows she ain't winning. To these instagram posts tagging news outlets. To them demanding only the items that lesean gave her. I smell a rat. 

[The Red King]

50 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:

Dear Internet detective keyboard warrior. Merriam webster sucks. HARD. Its a silly American Dictionary, with no etymological context. No one who knows anything about etymology (look that word up too) or semantics gives a crap about what it says. Its used by grade school kids, so I think your quoting a definition meant for 4th graders. Try looking the word up in the Oxford, the 4th (legal) definition might surprise you. Then stop telling people to do research. Because your research is at the level of an elementary school student who just learned how to google, but doesn't have the attention span to read beyond a few sentences.

 

Oh, you mean this definition?

 

"(of an argument or statement) seeming reasonable or[/b] probable."

 

...highlighted the key word for you there.  Or.  My proper use of the word was the former, you're still claiming the latter.  So...thank you for outright proving the use of the word correct.  Again, do your homework next time.  Check, and mate.

Edited July 11, 2018 by The Red King

[aristocrat]

So she never called the cops after the robbery? Just emts? Am I correct? 

[BillsBytheBay]

17 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Her posting all over Insta the type of jewellery she has or out talking about it at "da club" means someone who doesn't know her personally could ask for specific items, no?

 

Could it also not be probable that this intruder went there, knowing she wasn't home because it was all over social, looking for these things and was surprised to find her there?

 

And why go through the legal process at all if he was just going to order a hit? He'd also have to be next level stupid to order it on the night she returns from London. It seems odd.

 

It could also be the case that knowing she was away Shady asked someone to stop by the house and pick up these items... didn't order him to beat the crap out of this women... and this guy took it upon himself to do it when he realized they were home.

 

But as you say, we shall find out soon enough.

The part that I find odd is apparently the police were called within 30 minutes of her arriving home from London, and the attack. If I am reading her lawyers allegations correctly.

[Wayne Cubed]

4 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

The part that I find odd is apparently the police were called within 30 minutes of her arriving home from London, and the attack. If I am reading her lawyers allegations correctly.

 

A lot will depend on if they find this person who did the beating. 

 

We also don't know who else she has in her life, are we so sure it couldn't be another male who had this done? Because a friend "outed" Shady in a post, where she lied about the child abuse(Mother of son has said as much), doesn't amount to much evidence against Shady, unless they know this person is associated with Shady.

[MarkAF43]

When reading the press release from her attorney, my only question is why at 3am if she's sleeping she's wearing expensive bracelets? That doesn't make a lot of sense, most women remove most if not all jewelry before they go to bed.