LeSean McCoy allegations

[BillsBytheBay]

5 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

A lot will depend on if they find this person who did the beating. 

 

We also don't know who else she has in her life, are we so sure it couldn't be another male who had this done? Because a friend "outed" Shady in a post, where she lied about the child abuse(Mother of son has said as much), doesn't amount to much evidence against Shady, unless they know this person is associated with Shady.

Yea, I mentioned those possibilities yesterday.  And I want to find the actual assailant.

[Victory Formation]

53 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

Her allegations do sound damning.  Still to me, a lot hinges on finding her assailant.

  

So now you're taking the opinion that you wrongfully attacked me for, even though I never said we should not cut McCoy until AFTER an investigation is done.

 

 

[BillsBytheBay]

7 minutes ago, MarkAF43 said:

When reading the press release from her attorney, my only question is why at 3am if she's sleeping she's wearing expensive bracelets? That doesn't make a lot of sense, most women remove most if not all jewelry before they go to bed. 

Apparently she had just arrived home from the airport at 3 AM.  Which makes everything so strange. I believe the call to 911 happened at about 3: 20. A. M. But I can't seem to find her lawyers allegations anymore.

Just now, NewDayBills said:

So now you're taking the opinion that you wrongfully attacked me for, even though I never said we should not cut McCoy until AFTER an investigation is done.

 

 

No.  I have always been in the camp of let's look at the evidence. Especially considering now even those allegations appear to be suspicious.

[dollars 2 donuts]

9 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

A lot will depend on if they find this person who did the beating. 

 

 

 

Already on it, my friend.

 

 

[BrycePaup4ever]

there is going to be a damning text message at some point. 

[billsfanmiami(oh)]

12 minutes ago, MarkAF43 said:

When reading the press release from her attorney, my only question is why at 3am if she's sleeping she's wearing expensive bracelets? That doesn't make a lot of sense, most women remove most if not all jewelry before they go to bed. 

 

 

Good point

[Victory Formation]

2 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

No.  I have always been in the camp of let's look at the evidence. Especially considering now even those allegations appear to be suspicious.

That's not true, you went on about how this sounded similar to when your wife brought you to court and yada yada yada.

 

Once again, sounds like like you've done a 180° and my post was spot on.

[mannc]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Freezing cold take.  

 

Must have missed the last 2 years of Bills Football 

And you must have missed the last 10 years of NFL football.

[SouthNYfan]

I'm not saying what really happened, because at this point we really have no idea about who did it and what their motives were, and the only facts we have (I may be missing some) that have been publicly released are:

-mccoy and this girl dated and lived together in his Georgia home

-mccoy no longer lives at this home

-the ex refuses to leave the house since they broke up

-there is an active court case involving McCoy trying to evict her from the premise

-police were called to the house, she was found beaten and locked in a bathroom, and taken to the hospital

-mccoy was not the one who entered the house, rock solid alibi of being in another state

 

Everything else is speculation 

We have accusations of a break in, robbery, and assault.

If it was all staged by her then all that goes out the window.

There are a million possibilities and variables here that we don't know.

 

Ask yourself one question:

Who benefits from this?

Surely not McCoy, but the victim?? Other than the beating, she has everything to gain here with a civil suit afterwards.

 

Again I honestly don't know, but for those of you who keep acting like it's completely impossible for somebody to have staged this on themselves, I want to to look up one name:

 

Tawana Brawley

 

After you've read about her case, tell me that Delicia staging this is not something that somebody would do.

[BillsBytheBay]

Just now, NewDayBills said:

That's not true, you went on about how this sounded similar to when your wife brought you to court and yada yada yada.

 

Once again, sounds like like you've done a 180° and my post was spot on.

your post that caught me was the statement you made if he's guilty cut him. Which sounds like a personal indictment from yourself already, considering he's guilty he's going to prison. The f*** with being cut. You fall in line with many on this board that believe that because the accusation has been made we should look so terribly critically at him. All of my comments have been about the situation particularly.  I don't care about McCoy. And I don't care about his ex-girlfriend. And I haven't stated what should happen to either of them in any case. I have not made a 180. You mistakenly believe I defend Shady, when I defend the position in society that is gone a foul. To me, you're 180 statement is laughable. The kind of illustrates you don't remotely understand the point I am attempting to make. So I'm not going to argue it with you anymore. Especially considering you accuse me of being so mean and attacking and aggressive, and then make insults to my daughter.

[CommonCents]

4 minutes ago, billsfanmiami(oh) said:

 

 

Good point

Home at 3am, robbed at 3:18 am. 

[BillsBytheBay]

Just now, Commonsense said:

Home at 3am, robbed at 3:18 am. 

And I believe the police call was at 3: 24.

[Lurker]

6 hours ago, Pete said:

 WTF?  Shady does something shady- I am shocked

 

What has he done, exactly?

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11 minutes ago, The Red King said:

 

Oh, you mean this definition?

 

"(of an argument or statement) seeming reasonable or probable."

 

...highlighted the key word for you there.  Or.  My proper use of the word was the former, you're still claiming the latter.  So...thank you for outright proving the use of the word correct.  Again, do your homework next time.  Check, and mate.

 Wrong definition, Merriam. I and the OP above are referring to Legal usage. And you don't know what that means still. Your world of probability seems to be carved out of a space where Jesus existed with dinosaurs.

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

I'm not saying what really happened, because at this point we really have no idea about who did it and what their motives were, and the only facts we have (I may be missing some) that have been publicly released are:

-mccoy and this girl dated and lived together in his Georgia home

-mccoy no longer lives at this home

-the ex refuses to leave the house since they broke up

-there is an active court case involving McCoy trying to evict her from the premise

-police were called to the house, she was found beaten and locked in a bathroom, and taken to the hospital

-mccoy was not the one who entered the house, rock solid alibi of being in another state

 

Everything else is speculation 

We have accusations of a break in, robbery, and assault.

If it was all staged by her then all that goes out the window.

There are a million possibilities and variables here that we don't know.

 

Ask yourself one question:

Who benefits from this?

Surely not McCoy, but the victim?? Other than the beating, she has everything to gain here with a civil suit afterwards.

 

Again I honestly don't know, but for those of you who keep acting like it's completely impossible for somebody to have staged this on themselves, I want to to look up one name:

 

Tawana Brawley

 

After you've read about her case, tell me that Delicia staging this is not something that somebody would do.

 

Damn!

 

Under the authority of New York State Attorney General Robert Abrams, a grand jury was called to hear evidence. On October 6, 1988, the grand jury released its 170-page report concluding Brawley had not been abducted, assaulted, raped and sodomized, as Brawley and her advisers said. The report further concluded that the "unsworn public allegations against Dutchess County Assistant District Attorney Steven Pagones" were false and had no basis in fact. Before issuing the report, the grand jury heard from 180 witnesses, saw 250 exhibits and recorded more than 6,000 pages of testimony.^[5]

In the decision, the grand jury noted many problems with Brawley's story. Among these were that the rape kit results did not indicate sexual assault. Additionally, despite saying she been held captive outdoors for days, Brawley was not suffering from hypothermia, was well-nourished, and appeared to have brushed her teeth recently. Despite her clothing being charred, there were no burns on her body. Although a shoe she was wearing was cut through, Brawley had no injuries to her foot. The racial epithets written on her were upside down, which led to suspicion that Brawley had written the words. Testimony from her schoolmates indicated she had attended a local party during the time of her supposed abduction. One witness claimed to have observed Brawley's climbing into the garbage bag.^[23] The feces on her body were identified as coming from her neighbor's dog.^[24] Brawley never testified.

[Wayne Cubed]

3 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Home at 3am, robbed at 3:18 am. 

 

There would also have to be a phone trail here. How would Shady know she was home or coming home if, according to him, they haven't talked in months? Did she text him saying she was on her way home? Did he have a guy watching the house?

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

And I believe the police call was at 3: 24.

 

So the whole incident took place in 6 minutes?

[Heavy Kevi]

8 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

Already on it, my friend.

 

 

 

This animal can be lured, and is known to have an affinity for...

 

Bears, beets, battlestar galactica.

 

On the Shady front, we really need some new information to fill in the blanks. I hope it happens quick, the last thing we (or of course shady, or the girl) need is for this thing to drag out. No matter the outcome, everyone loses if this investigation doesn't move quickly. I'm hoping it's BS obviously but it wouldn't be the first time a Bills RB brought hired guns to get his stuff back. OJ did 9 years for it.

 

 

[Victory Formation]

5 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

your post that caught me was the statement you made if he's guilty cut him. Which sounds like a personal indictment from yourself already, considering he's guilty he's going to prison. The f*** with being cut. You fall in line with many on this board that believe that because the accusation has been made we should look so terribly critically at him. All of my comments have been about the situation particularly.  I don't care about McCoy. And I don't care about his ex-girlfriend. And I haven't stated what should happen to either of them in any case. I have not made a 180. You mistakenly believe I defend Shady, when I defend the position in society that is gone a foul. To me, you're 180 statement is laughable. The kind of illustrates you don't remotely understand the point I am attempting to make. So I'm not going to argue it with you anymore. Especially considering you accuse me of being so mean and attacking and aggressive, and then make insults to my daughter.

I didn't attack your daughter, I said that I hope she got her mother's brains.

 

I don't understand how society has run foul because posters want Shady cut if guilty, unless you think it's morally acceptable to beat women, animals and children.

 

You seem to have a hard time grasping what the word if means, I would also say I'd like Shady on the roster if innocent. Why would I want our best player gone? No Shady = no playoffs, use your head man.

 

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Damn!

 

Under the authority of New York State Attorney General Robert Abrams, a grand jury was called to hear evidence. On October 6, 1988, the grand jury released its 170-page report concluding Brawley had not been abducted, assaulted, raped and sodomized, as Brawley and her advisers said. The report further concluded that the "unsworn public allegations against Dutchess County Assistant District Attorney Steven Pagones" were false and had no basis in fact. Before issuing the report, the grand jury heard from 180 witnesses, saw 250 exhibits and recorded more than 6,000 pages of testimony.^[5]

In the decision, the grand jury noted many problems with Brawley's story. Among these were that the rape kit results did not indicate sexual assault. Additionally, despite saying she been held captive outdoors for days, Brawley was not suffering from hypothermia, was well-nourished, and appeared to have brushed her teeth recently. Despite her clothing being charred, there were no burns on her body. Although a shoe she was wearing was cut through, Brawley had no injuries to her foot. The racial epithets written on her were upside down, which led to suspicion that Brawley had written the words. Testimony from her schoolmates indicated she had attended a local party during the time of her supposed abduction. One witness claimed to have observed Brawley's climbing into the garbage bag.^[23] The feces on her body were identified as coming from her neighbor's dog.^[24] Brawley never testified.

 

 

Yep.

 

Again I'm not saying what happened with shady.. I'm just saying that everybody acting like there's no way this chick would stage it on herself because that's "too crazy" needs to wake up and realize people are crazy.

[dollars 2 donuts]

2 minutes ago, Shotgunner said:

 

This animal can be lured, and is known to have an affinity for...

 

Bears, beets, battlestar galactica.

 

On the Shady front, we really need some new information to fill in the blanks. I hope it happens quick, the last thing we (or of course shady, or the girl) need is for this thing to drag out. No matter the outcome, everyone loses if this investigation doesn't move quickly. I'm hoping it's BS obviously but it wouldn't be the first time a Bills RB brought hired guns to get his stuff back. OJ did 9 years for it.

 

 

 

It's interesting, Shotgunner, the information that has trickled out so far has been just enough to feed the monster from both sides.  Hopefully (really hopefully) something comes out more definitively, either way, to spare us the continued drama.

[BillsBytheBay]

10 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

I didn't attack your daughter, I said that I hope she got her mother's brains.

 

I don't understand how society has run foul because of the 5 year conviction of Brian Banks. The false allegations made against Reuben Foster individuals like myself, and apparently this browley fellow who apparently committed suicide after false allegations., unless you think it's morally acceptable to beat women, animals and children.

 

You seem to have a hard time grasping what the word if means, I would also say I'd like Shady on the roster if innocent. Why would I want our best player gone? No Shady = no playoffs, use your head man.

 

Can't bold, but fixed.

 

Okay, what if she's guilty? You haven't addressed that at all. Obviously because you jumped on me for it, it's aparent I'm willing to look at both sides of the situation. But you seem to have a cross to bear. So continue to Crusade along. Talk about my daughter. Accuse me of believing it's acceptable to beat women and animals and children. 

 

I like how you twisted everything to make me look like a misogynist again. Have a great day.

 

 

Edited July 11, 2018 by JaxBills

[dollars 2 donuts]

@SouthNYfan

@Royale with Cheese

 

Tangent here and please correct me me if I am wrong, but didn't the accused in the Brawley case kill himself as a result of what this had done to his life?

 

Edit: Yes.  Harry Crist, Jr., police officer.

Edited July 11, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts

[Victory Formation]

1 minute ago, JaxBills said:

Okay, what if she's guilty? You haven't addressed that at all. Obviously because you jumped on me for it, it's aparent I'm willing to look at both sides of the situation. But you seem to have a cross to bear. So continue to Crusade along. Talk about my daughter. Accuse me of believing it's acceptable to beat women and animals and children. 

 

I like how you twisted everything to make me look like a misogynist again. Have a great day.

 

 

You brought up your daughter and ex on a public message board twice, if you don't want me to comment on your private life don't post it on a public forum.

 

If she is guilty she needs to go to jail but I think that'll be hard to prove, she lost thousands of dollars and it could also mean that someone else robbed her and she mistakenly suspected Shady when it was someone else.

[Sky Diver]

3 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

 

Yep.

 

Again I'm not saying what happened with shady.. I'm just saying that everybody acting like there's no way this chick would stage it on herself because that's "too crazy" needs to wake up and realize people are crazy.

 

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. That was the case with Foster.

 

This looks like a different situation. Maybe Shady has a crazy relative or friend who was impatient with the legal process and took matters into his own hands? Shady couldn't have been dumb enough to order it during the legal proceedings.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

@SouthNYfan

@Royale with Cheese

 

Tangent here and please correct me me if I am wrong, but didn't the accused in the Brawley case kill himself as a result of what this had done to his life?

 

Edit: Yes.  Harry Crist, Jr., police officer.

 

I'm not sure...I never heard of this case until Southern put it up.  I was about 5 years old at the time and the only thing I knew about at that age was Mario Bros, fruit roll ups and Super Soaker guns.

[BillsBytheBay]

2 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

You brought up your daughter and ex on a public message board twice, if you don't want me to comment on your private life don't post it on a public forum.

 

If she is guilty she needs to go to jail but I think that'll be hard to prove, she lost thousands of dollars and it could also mean that someone else robbed her and she mistakenly suspected Shady when it was someone else.

Didn't expect scum to attack my daughter. I guarantee you would never have done that if you were standing right in front of me. that's not any kind of threat, it's just people tend to feel like they can say s*** like that on the internet.

[The Red King]

17 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said:

 Wrong definition, Merriam. I and the OP above are referring to Legal usage. And you don't know what that means still. Your world of probability seems to be carved out of a space where Jesus existed with dinosaurs.

 

That...was the Oxford definition.  The one you insisted on using.  The definition you wanted to use...proved you wrong.  Good grief.  ?

 

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/plausible

 

"1(of an argument or statement) seeming reasonable or probable."

 

...as stated prior, do your homework.  You just proved me right.

Edited July 11, 2018 by The Red King

[Victory Formation]

Just now, JaxBills said:

Didn't expect scum to attack my daughter. I guarantee you would never have done that if you were standing right in front of me. that's not any kind of threat, it's just people tend to feel like they can say s*** like that on the internet.

I never attacked your daughter and I hope for your sake you were drunk posting yesterday.

[SCBills]

It’s interesting that while it is on ESPN, this hasn’t been much of a topic.  McCoy is one of the bigger names in the NFL, and if there was juice to the story right now, it would be all over the WWL.   

 

It hasn’t really gone mainstream anywhere else aside from local NY/Philly/GA outlets. 

 

Knock on wood it stays that way, but a bit odd that this is only a bullet point barely even making the ESPN scroll.  

 

Says to me that either A) The media has been burned enough to finally wait for facts to come out or B) that this allegation isn’t credible at the moment. 

Edited July 11, 2018 by SCBills

[thebandit27]

14 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

There would also have to be a phone trail here. How would Shady know she was home or coming home if, according to him, they haven't talked in months? Did she text him saying she was on her way home? Did he have a guy watching the house?

 

Obviously speculation, but they have a child together, so depending upon the custody agreement, they may have to let each other know when they'll be out of town?  Not sure how the communication structure would work such that McCoy hadn't had direct contact with her.

 

You're correct that such would dictate some type of phone trail.

 

This is such a weird situation

[nucci]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Obviously speculation, but they have a child together, so depending upon the custody agreement, they may have to let each other know when they'll be out of town?  Not sure how the communication structure would work such that McCoy hadn't had direct contact with her.

 

You're correct that such would dictate some type of phone trail.

 

This is such a weird situation

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/ec88f5d2-7323-4cba-91a3-a2cc2b0561ae

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Obviously speculation, but they have a child together, so depending upon the custody agreement, they may have to let each other know when they'll be out of town?  Not sure how the communication structure would work such that McCoy hadn't had direct contact with her.

 

You're correct that such would dictate some type of phone trail.

 

This is such a weird situation

Or that brings the security camera question back into play. As her attorney asked in their statement was he able to see the house from his computer? 

[xxxxxxxx]

7 minutes ago, The Red King said:

 

That...was the Oxford definition.  The one you insisted on using.  The definition you wanted to use...proved you wrong.  Good grief.  ?

 

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/plausible

 

...as stated prior, do your homework.

You still haven't proven me wrong. The Oxford lists multiple definitions, and you haven't identified a legal definition yet. Still stuck on colloquial. Maybe sign up for  an account with them. Or check out a hard copy at the library. If it hasn't been closed down yet, in your area.

Edited July 11, 2018 by MURPHD6

[Wayne Cubed]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Obviously speculation, but they have a child together, so depending upon the custody agreement, they may have to let each other know when they'll be out of town?  Not sure how the communication structure would work such that McCoy hadn't had direct contact with her.

 

You're correct that such would dictate some type of phone trail.

 

This is such a weird situation

 

Do they have a child together? I thought the mother of his child was someone else, girl named Steph. Who's already come out and said he wasn't abusive towards their son.

[BillsBytheBay]

2 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

I never attacked your daughter and I hope for your sake you were drunk posting yesterday.

We're done bro.  This isn't constructive.  I made my point.  You didnt hear it.

 

You don't like me because I'm abrasive attacking a moral have a stupid daughter and drunk and I'm a moron. Did I miss any that you used?

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I'm not sure...I never heard of this case until Southern put it up.  I was about 5 years old at the time and the only thing I knew about at that age was Mario Bros, fruit roll ups and Super Soaker guns.

 

 

if memory serves i believe it was this case that got Al Sharpton his start...and he’s still add to this day.

[Lurker]

5 hours ago, MURPHD6 said:

This just in. Plausible is a synonym for likely, reasonable, and believable. So if your shocked that someone took issue with your choice of words, then you are using words that sound smart to you without understanding how they are defined.When you say plausible you are asserting an above average degree of believability not a remote possibility.  

 

Not at all.   Per the Cornell Legal Institute:   https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/colorable_claim

 

"A plausible legal claim.  In other words, a claim strong enough to have a reasonable chance of being valid if the legal basis is generally correct and the facts can be proven in court.  The claim need not actually result in a win."  

 

"If the glove don't fit..." was plausible.    It didn't mean it had an above average degree of believability...

[x-BillzeBubba]

Cogs knows all! So we're good

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/07/11/richie-incognito-claims-to-know-the-whole-story-regarding-lesean-mccoy/

[Victory Formation]

Just now, JaxBills said:

We're done bro.  This isn't constructive.  I made my point.  You didnt hear it.

 

You don't like me because I'm abrasive attacking a moral have a stupid daughter and drunk and I'm a moron. Did I miss any that you used?

Once again, putting words in my mouth on the whole daughter thing, I never attacked your daughter and I've never attacked you, just your posts.