Bobby Hooks Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) I don’t see this at all. Taylor was always sitting on the sidelines ignoring his lineman and receivers when he wasn’t on the field. I never even saw a hint of leadership from him. Must have been an excellent sell job by Beane. Good riddance. Don’t understand any of the love he receives. Even when he was playing well it seemed as if he did it in spite of us fans. Tyrod Taylor’s true moniker = Mediocrity in motion. Edited April 20, 2018 by Bobby Hooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, The Red King said: Going from bad to the textbook defenition of outright average is technically an improvement, but not a success. I want better then average, and TT is average. Precious little terrible, precious little amazing. We've finally outgrown that, Cleveland hasn't. They will be thrilled when he gets them to 8-8 eventually, then they will move on like we did. How exactly have we outgrown it. We are literally in the same boat as them right now at the qb position, if not worse. They have an average qb as a bridge and the pick of the litter this week. We have an unproven bridge and are at the mercy of others picks next week. Is it gonna surprise you if their qb situation is better than ours in 2 or 3 years? Lets not pretend like the browns are viewing Taylor as anything more than a stop gap. Same thing we are doing with McCarron. Edited April 20, 2018 by Stank_Nasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said: It's flawed...yet you don't know what my idea of average is. Very interesting counter point you have there. If you think an average QB would have easily made most throws that Taylor missed, your clearly unfamlliar with the rest of the league and the performances of the majority of Quarterbacks who started last year. The point is not how good or great Taylor is, is how bad most other qbs are. Edited April 20, 2018 by MURPHD6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: How exactly have we outgrown it. We are literally in the same boat as them right now at the qb position, if not worse. They have an average qb as a bridge and the pick of the litter this week. We have an unproven bridge and are at the mercy of others picks next week. Is it gonna surprise you if their qb situation is better than ours in 2 or 3 years? Lets not pretend like the browns are viewing Taylor as anything more than a stop gap. Same thing we are doing with McCarron. We went 9-7 and made it to the playoffs. Taylor elevates bad teams and drags good teams down. He is the ultimate median. If you need a QB that is not going to lose games, who can keep the ship sailing with consistency, TT is your man. When you get good enough to transition to a team that can win enough games and you reach a point where you need your QB to win a few games for you, TT has consistently shown he can't. The Bills finally crested the plain and reached a point where TT's mediocrity has gone from benefit to liability. The JAX game last season was the best example of it. Cleveland, however, has gone 1-31 the last two seasons. A strong leader at QB can elevate the play of those around him, and his ability to play near mistake-free football will make the Browns a better team next year. And to that team and it's fans, 6-8 wins this year will not only be acceptable, it will be welcome and even heralded. 6-8 wins here will be unacceptable. Trading TT to the Browns I think will work out well for the Bills, Browns and TT. Edited April 20, 2018 by The Red King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said: If you think an average QB would have easily made most throws that Taylor missed, your clearly unfamlliar with the rest of the league and the performances of the majority of Quarterbacks who started last year. The point is not how good or great Taylor is, is how bad most other qbs are. I didn't talk about throws Taylor MISSED instead was talking about the ones he was too conservative to actually THROW. I know, you miss Taylor. I get it. But as a QB, he was (in his time here) a lower tier starting QB. As a QB he is mediocre. He's a heck of an athlete though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Tyrod was a class act, by all accounts a good teammate, and he always worked hard. As a starting QB he's nothing more than a solid game manager. He's still the best Cleveland has had in two decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: ....until you're down by 7 in the 4th qtr....good luck with renting TT for 1 year Browns. If Cleveland doesn't take Darnold and Chubb, they deserve to suck for another decade. This ^ I think the idea of TT being a good leader comes from the fact that he is well liked in the locker room. Players have nothing but positive things to say about him. With that said, the best lead by example. Nothing about the way TT carries himself on the field gives me any reason to call him a good leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No one has ever justly criticized Tyrod's work ethic or leadership. I am sure some of the irrational hate posters on the board have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 He turned my head a lot too, but mostly in frustration when he ignored wide open WR's, holding the ball for 10 seconds until miraculously escaping the pocket just to throw the ball out of reach of our WR's, or scramble for a loss of 1 yard. But to be fair, he would occasionally make some jaw dropping plays too, usually with his legs. 3 hours ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: This ^ I think the idea of TT being a good leader comes from the fact that he is well liked in the locker room. Players have nothing but positive things to say about him. With that said, the best lead by example. Nothing about the way TT carries himself on the field gives me any reason to call him a good leader. I don't think that is true. I remember times where he pulled guys away and got in teammates faces when they were about to get penalties. I was always impressed with that. He was always a first in the building last one to leave kind of guy too. He also didn't let his contract negotiations and drama, or getting benched become a distraction. He could have easily spoken out against the team and fractured the locker room, but he didn't. But, he is not good enough at throwing a football. That's the most important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 9 hours ago, PIZ said: Part of Beane's master plan. Get Cleveland to think Tyrod is the guy for a few years, paving the way for Buffalo to trade up to #1. winning the off season ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 8 hours ago, H2o said: Tyrod was a class act, by all accounts a good teammate, and he always worked hard. As a starting QB he's nothing more than a solid game manager. He's still the best Cleveland has had in two decades. Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Tyrod won’t lose Cleveland games and that alone will get them 6-7 wins. If that defense can get a couple more playmakers look out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Wait until he throws the football, people's heads will be poppping off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Wait until he throws the football, people's heads will be poppping off. That can be taken so many ways. Well played! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Wait until he throws the football, people's heads will be poppping off. so, your saying it will be awhile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No one has ever justly criticized Tyrod's work ethic or leadership. I really don't want to go down the "defending TT" rabbit hole, but you must know that's literally not true. Probably true. And what will we be doing in B'lo? Masterful response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 5 hours ago, MJS said: But, he is not good enough at throwing a football. That's the most important thing. He isn't "good enough" - if that means you are looking for Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady or even DeShaun Watson. I couldn't agree with you more. What Buffalo never seemed to grasp about Tyrod was that you could win with him, if you surrounded him with a semblance of talent and didn't ship out his #1 and #2 WRs and have an offensive line in general disarray. Oh yeah, and team him up with an offensive mastermind that was able to come up with a nearly historic meltdown every second half. How we won five of the first seven games last year while doing OTJ training with three of the five OL is a mystery to me. 1%. Think about that next year and for the next five years. Every time you see a pick six or this team lose the turnover ratio, you remember Tyrod Taylor, and take a look UP at the Cleveland Browns. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 IF Cleveland has more wins than the Bills next year, this place will melt down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said: He isn't "good enough" - if that means you are looking for Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady or even DeShaun Watson. I couldn't agree with you more. What Buffalo never seemed to grasp about Tyrod was that you could win with him, if you surrounded him with a semblance of talent and didn't ship out his #1 and #2 WRs and have an offensive line in general disarray. Oh yeah, and team him up with an offensive mastermind that was able to come up with a nearly historic meltdown every second half. How we won five of the first seven games last year while doing OTJ training with three of the five OL is a mystery to me. 1%. Think about that next year and for the next five years. Every time you see a pick six or this team lose the turnover ratio, you remember Tyrod Taylor, and take a look UP at the Cleveland Browns. There is still room on the Browns bandwagon, go over there and spew your lame Tyrod excuses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) Just wait until he actually has to play QB Edited April 20, 2018 by Boca BIlls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said: He isn't "good enough" - if that means you are looking for Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady or even DeShaun Watson. I couldn't agree with you more. What Buffalo never seemed to grasp about Tyrod was that you could win with him, if you surrounded him with a semblance of talent and didn't ship out his #1 and #2 WRs and have an offensive line in general disarray. Oh yeah, and team him up with an offensive mastermind that was able to come up with a nearly historic meltdown every second half. How we won five of the first seven games last year while doing OTJ training with three of the five OL is a mystery to me. 1%. Think about that next year and for the next five years. Every time you see a pick six or this team lose the turnover ratio, you remember Tyrod Taylor, and take a look UP at the Cleveland Browns. Well let’s hope we get the arod or Brady next week 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, PeterGriffin said: There is still room on the Browns bandwagon, go over there and spew your lame Tyrod excuses. Nothing to do with being on a bandwagon, it's about football 101. I could care less about the Browns, I'd like to see the Bills win and not find myself throwing things at the TV. Win the turnover battle, you have a shot to win the game; win the ratio and control the clock, you'll almost certainly win more than you'll lose. And it won't matter if you have Tyrod t Let me share with you some names: Alex Smith Tom Brady Jared Goff Case Keenum Drew Brees Carson Wentz Philip Rivers Matt Stafford Russell Wilson What is A List of Playoff QBs? No. QBs with a low INT ratio. Funny thing that the rest of the NFL could grasp that idea, but Buffalo couldn't. Good luck with AJM, NP and a rookie. I'm guessing the over/under on INTs next year at ... 20? 25? Any-wayz ... good luck Ty. Thanks for doing a respectable job for $hit wages and no respect for three years. Hopefully you'll get paid in 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 10 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said: I didn't talk about throws Taylor MISSED instead was talking about the ones he was too conservative to actually THROW. I know, you miss Taylor. I get it. But as a QB, he was (in his time here) a lower tier starting QB. As a QB he is mediocre. He's a heck of an athlete though. Your irrational, tempermental nature would be cute if your qb evaluation skills were not so poor. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you are unfamilliar with the parade of quarterbacks that this team has started over the last two decades, and that you lack the proper sample size to properly evaluate TT's performance from. There has always been a contingent of the fanbase irrationally dissatisfied with the qb play, and the same haters were calling for Jim Kelly's head, which many have conveniantly forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Good for him. Tyrod will hopefully be what turns the Browns from an 0-16/ 2-14 team year after year into a 7-9/8-8 team the next few years. He’ll be a great bridge for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Tyrod Taylor is a good starting NFL QB. Simple as that. He will stabilize QB for the Browns until they find someone better. The Bills decided to destabilize QB to try to find someone better. Most likely it will cost Beane and McDermott their jobs because stability at QB is probably the hardest thing to find. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 47 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said: Your irrational, tempermental nature would be cute if your qb evaluation skills were not so poor. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you are unfamilliar with the parade of quarterbacks that this team has started over the last two decades, and that you lack the proper sample size to properly evaluate TT's performance from. There has always been a contingent of the fanbase irrationally dissatisfied with the qb play, and the same haters were calling for Jim Kelly's head, which many have conveniantly forgot. There you go assuming again. And there you go with your "old faithful" retort of "oh, you have a different opinion, you clearly don't know anything". Have a great day fella. You just keep being you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 He will be a great QB to get the Browns into a workmanlike pattern that will allow them to develop all their good draft picks into good players and a team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 51 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: Tyrod Taylor is a good starting NFL QB. Simple as that. He will stabilize QB for the Browns until they find someone better. The Bills decided to destabilize QB to try to find someone better. Most likely it will cost Beane and McDermott their jobs because stability at QB is probably the hardest thing to find. I'm 100% sure the only mandate Terry & Kim gave to the new regime was to go out and get their potential franchise QB. Playoffs in year 1 basically bought them an extra season of good faith, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Just now, stony said: I'm 100% sure the only mandate Terry & Kim gave to the new regime was to go out and get their potential franchise QB. Playoffs in year 1 basically bought them an extra season of good faith, too. None of that had to do with getting rid of Taylor. Now if you go get a franchise QB it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 16 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: No surprise, Tyrod is a good leader and a hard worker. he can play the game, got the Bills to the playoffs and yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, TheTruthHurts said: None of that had to do with getting rid of Taylor. Now if you go get a franchise QB it makes sense. Isn't that what they're going to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 never questioned his leadership or work ethic ✔ unable to lead the offense to no more than 3 points in the first playoff game in 18 years ✔ no longer a buffalo bill ✔ moving on from tyrod taylor ✔ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Tyrod has won 3 offseason championship rings already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 17 hours ago, PIZ said: Tyrod Taylor turning heads in Cleveland. Unfortunately his receivers will be turning their heads at the balls thrown behind him. But his work ethic is great! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 With the weapons Tyrod has, I expect to see more of the 2015 version of Tyrod than 2017. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Tyrod's friend said: Nothing to do with being on a bandwagon, it's about football 101. I could care less about the Browns, I'd like to see the Bills win and not find myself throwing things at the TV. Win the turnover battle, you have a shot to win the game; win the ratio and control the clock, you'll almost certainly win more than you'll lose. And it won't matter if you have Tyrod t Let me share with you some names: Alex Smith Tom Brady Jared Goff Case Keenum Drew Brees Carson Wentz Philip Rivers Matt Stafford Russell Wilson What is A List of Playoff QBs? No. QBs with a low INT ratio. Funny thing that the rest of the NFL could grasp that idea, but Buffalo couldn't. Good luck with AJM, NP and a rookie. I'm guessing the over/under on INTs next year at ... 20? 25? Any-wayz ... good luck Ty. Thanks for doing a respectable job for $hit wages and no respect for three years. Hopefully you'll get paid in 2019. I'm thinking of starting a GOFUNDME for Tyrod. Hate to see a guy in such dire straits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: With the weapons Tyrod has, I expect to see more of the 2015 version of Tyrod than 2017. Agreed. The Cleveland receiving corps is a lot more talented than Buffalo's was last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) WRT Cleveland and wondering about an improvement Edited April 20, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I don't recall the expression "turning heads" being used for football players much if at all. Maybe I just missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) Edited April 20, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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