TheBeane Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I get what he's saying, but playing outside in Buffalo you might need a little stronger arm than in other places. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/18/aj-mccarron-arm-strength-is-overrated-how-often-do-you-throw-60-yards/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Timing and accuracy. More velocity can make up for "slow eyes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, TheBeane said: I get what he's saying, but playing outside in Buffalo you might need a little stronger arm than in other places. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/18/aj-mccarron-arm-strength-is-overrated-how-often-do-you-throw-60-yards/ There's a funny story that before the Peyton Manning/Ryan Leaf draft, Polian was slicing and dicing film of the prospects every which way. He came into a draft meeting and announced that he had noted a pronounced drop off in Manning's arm strength after 50 yds. The way he recounts it, everyone looked at him and Mora said "OK then, it's Peyton, We won't draw up any pass plays longer than 50 yards" 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeane Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: There's a funny story that before the Peyton Manning/Ryan Leaf draft, Polian was slicing and dicing film of the prospects every which way. He came into a draft meeting and announced that he had noted a pronounced drop off in Manning's arm strength after 50 yds. The way he recounts it, everyone looked at him and Mora said "OK then, it's Peyton, We won't draw up any pass plays longer than 50 yards" Peyton and his 'lack of arm strength', was actually my first thought when I saw this. He also had the luxury of playing in a dome most of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Arm strength is an overrated factor in QB selection. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 How many great QBs have had poor arm strength and how many poor QBs have had great arm strength? I'll take the guy that can throw with accuracy every time over a guy that has a canon and doesn't know where the ball is going. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 how many times are you really going to throw farther than this 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Damn!!! Sweet music. A few of those in Buffalo and we play that amazing song! You Know you make me wanna SHOUT!!! Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, jr1 said: how many times are you really going to throw farther than this Throwing far and velocity / arm strength are 2 really different things. Arm strength in the context of what Bills fans are clamoring for is more synonomous with firnig the ball into a tight coverage window hard and fast enough to make it diffficult for the Defense ot make a play on the ball As a reference look at Petermans almost INT in last years Jax playoff game Edited April 18, 2018 by ddaryl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, prissythecat said: Arm strength is an overrated factor in QB selection. Thank You! Sincerely, Mason Rudolph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, prissythecat said: Arm strength is an overrated factor in QB selection. ....see Joe Montana for "arm strength"...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, jr1 said: how many times are you really going to throw farther than this notice his throwing motion and release. it didn't look like it was all he had. nice release. i always thought he was a bit of a pusher with his throws, but after seeing this, i may be wrong about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 How many great QBs have had poor arm strength and how many poor QBs have had great arm strength? I'll take the guy that can throw with accuracy every time over a guy that has a canon and doesn't know where the ball is going. AJ was projected as a 2 - 3 round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinES3 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I think it actually improved a bit in the last few year watching Cincinnati tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 33 minutes ago, jr1 said: how many times are you really going to throw farther than this Technically speaking, he threw it about 45 yards. Was a nice throw though. Good touch on it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 It's not about throwing 60 yds...it's about the 8-10 slant or out pattern that needs to be drilled in 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Arm strength matters... Take a look at this weak ****. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Captain Murica said: Arm strength matters... Take a look at this weak ****. Man.....it really does...He didnt even throw that ball late. Great defensive play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Ramza86 said: Man.....it really does...He didnt even throw that ball late. Great defensive play I mean it was a good defensive pass break-up(since it was incomplete but not overturned), that being said, look at the separation Thompson got on him. Edited April 18, 2018 by Captain Murica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) Tom Brady's Draft Profile 2000 Tom Brady Positives: Good height to see the field. Very poised and composed. Smart and alert. Can read coverages. Good accuracy and touch. Produces in big spots and in big games. Has some Brian Griese in him and is a gamer. Generally plays within himself. Team leader. Negatives: Poor build. Very skinny and narrow. Ended the '99 season weighing 195 pounds and still looks like a rail at 211. Looks a little frail and lacks great physical stature and strength. Can get pushed down more easily than you'd like. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush. Lacks a really strong arm. Can't drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral. System-type player who can get exposed if he must ad-lib and do things on his own. Summary: Is not what you're looking for in terms of physical stature, strength, arm strength and mobility, but he has the intangibles and production and showed great Griese-like improvement as a senior. Could make it in the right system but will not be for everyone. http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/anyone-got-tom-bradys-pre-draft-scouting-report.77495994/ Edited April 18, 2018 by HOUSE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, prissythecat said: Arm strength is an overrated factor in QB selection. There is such a thing though as not having enough. Teams just have to make sure a QB doesn't go below a threshold. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elltrain22 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I don't care what anyone says, I really like McCarron, and I think there is alot to be excited about with him. He's always been an underrated passer IMO, and I am glad to see our team give him an opportunity to play. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he is Jimmy Garrapolo 2.0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, White Linen said: There is such a thing though as not having enough. Teams just have to make sure a QB doesn't go below a threshold. I certainly agree with that. But going gaga over someone because they can throw the ball 80 yards is ridiculous in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: There's a funny story that before the Peyton Manning/Ryan Leaf draft, Polian was slicing and dicing film of the prospects every which way. He came into a draft meeting and announced that he had noted a pronounced drop off in Manning's arm strength after 50 yds. The way he recounts it, everyone looked at him and Mora said "OK then, it's Peyton, We won't draw up any pass plays longer than 50 yards" I like that mentality. What if your guy has a drop-off after 15 yards?? ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, Captain Murica said: Arm strength matters... Take a look at this weak ****. Anyone who likes Mason Rudolph, this is a warning. This is what you are signing up for. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Sky Diver said: How many great QBs have had poor arm strength and how many poor QBs have had great arm strength? I'll take the guy that can throw with accuracy every time over a guy that has a canon and doesn't know where the ball is going. You don't need arm strength but you need a starting pedigree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 49 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: Man.....it really does...He didnt even throw that ball late. Great defensive play But he doesn't turn the ball over and he can run and stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Captain Murica said: Arm strength matters... Take a look at this weak ****. Actually, "after further review" I think that he actually did throw it LATE... You can see the receiver standing there at the 40 waiting for the ball to arrive... Granted that the DB made a real nice play on the ball but had it been there earlier it should have been a completion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Captain Murica said: Arm strength matters... Take a look at this weak ****. He defin itely has weak arm, but I would think this particular play here was more an accuracy issue. It looks like the ball should have been placed more on the outside, or either the WR didn't run the route to the out like it "looks" like he was supposed to. To either or, a stronger arm would have maybe made it an incomplete pass. I'm not sure, it just looks like an all around bad route and bad throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I always think it is interesting how persons will react as if particular characteristics of a QBs play are mutually exclusive. It is true that accuracy is more important than arm strength. The ability throw with anticipation and timing are also up there, but there are times when velocity is pretty important. It's not just the deep bomb. It's also the sideline pass that you want to reach your receiver before the DB has a chance to break on the ball, and the aforementioned tight window. I'm pretty sure AJ McCarron would agree with that. I also understand that velocity is a continuum. It's not as if you're stuck with a ball velocity of either 65 mph or 45 mph. You can be anywhere in between. It's also not as if having some potential velocity you want to use it on every throw. Sometimes, I can imagine lofting the ball over short area defenders with a velocity of, say, 40 mph to have a nice, soft, catchable ball that the receiver can run under and catch in stride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I think hand size is more important than arm strength in buffalo. Need to be able to grip a cold wet ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 It's still a factor to be considered under windy conditions and with certain throws such as deep sideline outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Captain Murica said: Arm strength matters... Take a look at this weak ****. Arm strength isn't about launching the ball 60 yards down the field. Arm strength is about how quickly you can get the ball to the sideline and in the intermediate range. Any QB worthy of making an NFL roster can launch the ball 50 yards or more in the air. But what separates the best from backups is how strong a QB's arm is and how accurate their throwing is along with their decision making and footwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Almost every single NFL QB has enough arm strength to throw in Buffalo. It's such an overplayed thought to say that any of these guys can't throw in the wind or snow. They are NFL QBs for heaven's sake. He will be fine. The only thing arm strength hurts you, really, is when you are trying to throw into tight windows and it gives the defenders a little bit more time to close the gaps. In a game of inches, that can matter a lot. But that is going to be the case anywhere, not just in the 1 or 2 games a year when weather is a factor in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's still a factor to be considered under windy conditions and with certain throws such as deep sideline outs. Deep sideline outs and other throws requiring arm strength are important in keeping defenses honest. If you can’t make those throws then the short stuff won’t be there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabden Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, jr1 said: how many times are you really going to throw farther than this The ball from arm to to arm was 45 yards. Edited April 18, 2018 by mabden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, DefenseWins said: Actually, "after further review" I think that he actually did throw it LATE... You can see the receiver standing there at the 40 waiting for the ball to arrive... Granted that the DB made a real nice play on the ball but had it been there earlier it should have been a completion. Agreed, unfair sample size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 3 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Timing and accuracy. More velocity can make up for "slow eyes." Great technique can make up for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 56 minutes ago, Mark80 said: Almost every single NFL QB has enough arm strength to throw in Buffalo. It's such an overplayed thought to say that any of these guys can't throw in the wind or snow. They are NFL QBs for heaven's sake. He will be fine. The only thing arm strength hurts you, really, is when you are trying to throw into tight windows and it gives the defenders a little bit more time to close the gaps. In a game of inches, that can matter a lot. But that is going to be the case anywhere, not just in the 1 or 2 games a year when weather is a factor in Buffalo. Your right. And exhibit A is Brady! He throws in Boston and Buffalo wind just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 3 hours ago, prissythecat said: Arm strength is an overrated factor in QB selection. I would not say that. I think its more that a strong arm alone wont make you a good QB. Just like being smart wont make up for lack of arm strength. Each can help hide other things but you need a bit of both. 10 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: Your right. And exhibit A is Brady! He throws in Boston and Buffalo wind just fine. Brady does have good arm strength. The "draft profile" myth of Brady being so nonathletic lives on. Watch the ESPN sports science on him. Shows he is much fatser and stronger etc than people try to claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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