KDIGGZ Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Hard to get excited about this hire. Those that like it want to believe he is some innovative young college OC. He called plays for 1 season at the college level and if you are excited about that then you didn't watch any Alabama football. I literally did not want to watch them many times because of how boring their games are. He is way more NFL retread than anything, most well known as the OC of the worst offensive attack in the entire league for 2 seasons in Cleveland. He also quickly wore out his welcome in KC where many described his play calling as horrible. He has super bowl rings as an assistant with the Patriots. Everyone does. The guys that deflated the footballs do too. Even Vladamir Putin has one. Nothing exciting about that. If you are associated with the Pats you are going to get rings. Doesn't mean squat. The Bills needed an OC to bring an NFL level passing attack and make us a legitimate offensive threat. What we got is a retread with a horrible reputation for calling plays and whose only success was with a team that ran the ball every play and won with defense (sound familiar?). Pardon me for not being excited with this hire but we are going to regret this and we will be looking for another OC after next season. Absolutely zero continuity is a good way to ruin a young QB and keep us in .500 purgatory forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, fridge said: I understand everyone wants a parade today, and I'm not going to bring up his NFL OC track record again. I get it, right? He won a national championship, Belichick likes him, etc. Those are not lost points on me, but someone needs to be realistic here and admit we should be a little cautious/nervous about the hire. The decision has been made so now he's our guy and I'll root for him as hard as all of you when fall rolls around, but please understand that it's very possible that we have an incredibly boring and ineffective offense this season. No one is throwing a ticker tape parade. I'm just not interested in having your whole "sorry if I'm too real for you" act. No one knows if this is a good hire, but to sit here and complain about it is ignorant absent an actual sample size of current work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, NewDayBills said: Moore is a professional. You don't draft a 20 year old and expect him to carry a franchise right away unless you're the Cleveland Browns. Expecting a rookie to be a savior is too much pressure, the idea is to buy him time to learn the playbook, take the pressure off, stall and buy as much time as possible. This is pretty damn funny. If you told Daboll you were bringing Moore in as a bridge he would tell you to take your job and stick it where the sun don't shine. He already coached Moore in 2011 at Miami. Was not a good look for either of them. Pretty sure Richie would tell you the same thing. Moore is a bridge to a dumpster fire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 9 hours ago, HappyDays said: He hasn't been an NFL OC since 2012 so I don't know what to make of this. He has 5 Super Bowl rings and a NCAA Championship ring so he has plenty of experience in big games. Guys who make it in the NFL rarely go back to college unless it's b/c that's the best you can do. Kind of like an actor in movies doesn't quit to go do television. Alabama and innovative QB play with a strong passing attack go together like pickles and pizza. Hope this guy surprises me; I'm not expecting much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Hard to get excited about this hire. Those that like it want to believe he is some innovative young college OC. He called plays for 1 season at the college level and if you are excited about that then you didn't watch any Alabama football. I literally did not want to watch them many times because of how boring their games are. He is way more NFL retread than anything, most well known as the OC of the worst offensive attack in the entire league for 2 seasons in Cleveland. He also quickly wore out his welcome in KC where many described his play calling as horrible. He has super bowl rings as an assistant with the Patriots. Everyone does. The guys that deflated the footballs do too. Even Vladamir Putin has one. Nothing exciting about that. If you are associated with the Pats you are going to get rings. Doesn't mean squat. The Bills needed an OC to bring an NFL level passing attack and make us a legitimate offensive threat. What we got is a retread with a horrible reputation for calling plays and whose only success was with a team that ran the ball every play and won with defense (sound familiar?). Pardon me for not being excited with this hire but we are going to regret this and we will be looking for another OC after next season. Absolutely zero continuity is a good way to ruin a young QB and keep us in .500 purgatory forever Winning is boring? I'm hoping for a very boring 2018 I guess. Did you not pay attention to the process this year? Its run the ball, control the clock, play good defense, get turn overs, win the turn over battle, win the game. It will be very exciting if it works even better this year. Edited January 15, 2018 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 All we have to do now is find someone to throw Daboll and we'll be in business 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Winning is boring? I'm hoping for a very boring 2018 I guess. Did you not pay attention to the process this year? Its run the ball, control the clock, play good defense, get turn overs, win the turn over battle, win the game. It will be very exciting if it works even better this year. I would be wary of judging any 'Bama coach based on overall team success. That team enjoys such a massive talent advantage, even relative to other top college programs, that it kind of clouds the issue of just how good any one coach or player is. 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: All we have to do now is find someone to throw Daboll and we'll be in business Will you be in town all week? Edited January 15, 2018 by Fadingpain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Guys who make it in the NFL rarely go back to college unless it's b/c that's the best you can do. Kind of like an actor in movies doesn't quit to go do television. 1 Many of them do now. Cable TV anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, purple haze said: Many of them do now. Cable TV anyway. True enough! That is changing now with the advent of the super cable TV show doing things on an almost cinematic level...never used to be the case though. Edited January 15, 2018 by Fadingpain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 42 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Hard to get excited about this hire. Those that like it want to believe he is some innovative young college OC. He called plays for 1 season at the college level and if you are excited about that then you didn't watch any Alabama football. I literally did not want to watch them many times because of how boring their games are. He is way more NFL retread than anything, most well known as the OC of the worst offensive attack in the entire league for 2 seasons in Cleveland. He also quickly wore out his welcome in KC where many described his play calling as horrible. He has super bowl rings as an assistant with the Patriots. Everyone does. The guys that deflated the footballs do too. Even Vladamir Putin has one. Nothing exciting about that. If you are associated with the Pats you are going to get rings. Doesn't mean squat. The Bills needed an OC to bring an NFL level passing attack and make us a legitimate offensive threat. What we got is a retread with a horrible reputation for calling plays and whose only success was with a team that ran the ball every play and won with defense (sound familiar?). Pardon me for not being excited with this hire but we are going to regret this and we will be looking for another OC after next season. Absolutely zero continuity is a good way to ruin a young QB and keep us in .500 purgatory forever Hard to get a good OC to sign here with a starting QB that needs his own Taylor made scheme and has for two straight staffs got his OC fired year one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: I would be wary of judging any 'Bama coach based on overall team success. That team enjoys such as a massive talent advantage, even relative to other top college programs, that it kind of clouds the issue of just how good any one coach or player is. Understand. I was responding to the poster saying they were boring. There are no style points in football. If my team wins its anything but boring IMHO. The disparate talent level is why I don't watch much College football. I don't like blowouts unless its the Bills doing the blowing out like the Raiders game this year at the Ralph. I'm just hoping for a lot of winning in 2018 some way some how. Edited January 15, 2018 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 44 minutes ago, simool said: This is pretty damn funny. If you told Daboll you were bringing Moore in as a bridge he would tell you to take your job and stick it where the sun don't shine. He already coached Moore in 2011 at Miami. Was not a good look for either of them. Pretty sure Richie would tell you the same thing. Moore is a bridge to a dumpster fire. Haha, just like Tyrod. He gets his OCs fired year one, year two, year three, looks like year 4 will be no different considering he is a easy scape goat to blame with past fail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 !@#$ this hire sucks ass. I think whole trust the process thing is just a bunch of BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 The easiest way to analyze him is like this: Will he at least have a Quick Slant route called once per game? Answer: pretty sure he will Will he at least call a screen pass of some sort even just once per game? Answer: pretty sure he will Looks to me based on those answers, he's already an upgrade over Dennison... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 10 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: Huh? How did he inhereit the Alabama OC job? And how does he have little experience? He was hired by Alabama off the Patriots staff, where he spent much of his career (2000-2006 & 2013-2016). The guy has 5 super bowl rings and a national championship (he's won both a SB and national championship in the past 11 months). He was Belichick's first hire when he got the Patriots job and was said to be one of Belichick's most trusted employees. Belichick said his knowledge for the game is 2nd to none and that he could coach every position on the field. It was rumored for weeks that he was going to be Belichick's replacement for Josh McDaniels if he gets a head coaching job. Daboll's been hired by Nick Saban, Eric Mangini and by Bill Belichick, twice. He's been an offensive coordinator for 4 teams (3 of them NFL teams) and spent 17 years coaching in the NFL. He's been a coach since 1997 and has experience as an offensive coordinator (5yrs), wide receivers coach, tight end coach, QB coach, offeisnce assistant and defensive assistant. 6 This is what worries me as I don't trust anyone from that org to be loyal to another team in the same division. I see all his employees as being fiercely loyal. Now should Belichick go to the NY Giants or retire then things are different. We all know that the Patriots will be losing both McDaniels and Patricia this offseason but as long as Mr "if your not cheating, then you're not trying hard enough" is still the HC then I don't see Buffalo beating the Patriots even without Brady. Somehow they will know the Bills offense every offensive move in each game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 hours ago, NewDayBills said: Moore is a professional. You don't draft a 20 year old and expect him to carry a franchise right away unless you're the Cleveland Browns. Expecting a rookie to be a savior is too much pressure, the idea is to buy him time to learn the playbook, take the pressure off, stall and buy as much time as possible. or the Texans with Watson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 6 hours ago, fridge said: So we should expect to have somewhere between the 28th and 32nd most passing attempts. I can’t stress enough how little I agree with this “offensive philosophy”. Context isn't your thing is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Love, love, LOVE this hire! A guy with extensive experience working for the two best coaches in college and professional football -- with Buffalo roots -- who just spent a year familiarizing himself with the college game. I don't care about the stats from his previous NFL OC work -- did you see his QBs? Now, get a new OL coach and we're in business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I admit some of my positivity toward the hire is based on a belief that he will have learned since his last stint as an NFL OC and be more ready this time. I just think when guys like Belichick and Saban look past your previous failures it suggests you have something. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 9 hours ago, Fred Clause said: If history tells us anything, your observations are usually wrong, so this hire doesn’t worry me... how does a 7 hour member know peoples history here? asking fro a friend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardLee Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) Let's hope he kicks as much ass as Bill Burr... https://streamable.com/eanwd Edited January 15, 2018 by RichardLee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I'm struggling with a lot of people on here. Daboll was thought of as the McDaniels replacement if he didn't go with McDaniels to his new team. This means that he was good enough for Belichick and good enough for Saban, but not good enough for some message board arm chair coaches. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, HuSeYiN_NYC said: The easiest way to analyze him is like this: Will he at least have a Quick Slant route called once per game? Answer: pretty sure he will Will he at least call a screen pass of some sort even just once per game? Answer: pretty sure he will Looks to me based on those answers, he's already an upgrade over Dennison... But can he call a pass on 1st and goal from the 1 1/2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Clearly Daboll is highly regarded by the best minds in football, he is detailed oriented, known as an innovator, has won alot of meaningful games, has intimate knowledge of the Pats and is from Western NY. Plus he had that awesome 2nd half adjustment for Alabama. I'm optimistic. Having said that, we really need a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Anyone who grew up in the same town as me at the same time works in my book. Now if he runs the Jauron offense, beat it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 It’s amazing that he gets a fourth shot at a job that he bombed at the three previous times. it makes you think that people must really see some potential in him. Or it reinforces the “old boy network” theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) Just curious....I wonder how much influence does the head coach have on an OC during the game? Do HCs frequently override the OC and make the call themselves? What about QBs? Obviously, you would think if you have a veteran QB, and a young OC, there'd be times when the QB knows which play would be best, no? For example, the Steelers' calls on those 2 fourth and one plays yesterday.....did Tomlin have anything to do with those? What about Ben R? It'd be really interesting to know the stats regarding this matter, but I doubt that they're kept. Probably the only way to know would be to poll all the OCs in the league, and I'm sure no one would participate. Edited January 15, 2018 by John in Jax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 8 hours ago, JoeF said: He's one of us....Brian Daboll is one of us.....he grew up a fan of this team. He went to school with a Polian....This is not just some run of the mill hire. This is a kid who has been to games as a fan; probably had a beer when less than legal-age at the Big Tree, tailgated with the masses. He knows our pain because he feels it. He even helped deliver some of it the last few years. No one will be more motivated to win and win big.... If he ends up sucking it won't be because he doesn't care; he is just collecting a paycheck or because he bamboozled the Pegulas....hell he probably ran around his house like we all did when Andy Dalton hit Tyler Boyd. Let's cut him some slack for a bit. He's a brother. So, he’s a Russ Brandon hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Well, we have no choice in the matter. He is the new OC. Let's see how it plays out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 49 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: I'm struggling with a lot of people on here. Daboll was thought of as the McDaniels replacement if he didn't go with McDaniels to his new team. This means that he was good enough for Belichick and good enough for Saban, but not good enough for some message board arm chair coaches. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 8 hours ago, JoeF said: He's one of us....Brian Daboll is one of us.....he grew up a fan of this team. He went to school with a Polian....This is not just some run of the mill hire. This is a kid who has been to games as a fan; probably had a beer when less than legal-age at the Big Tree, tailgated with the masses. He knows our pain because he feels it. He even helped deliver some of it the last few years. No one will be more motivated to win and win big.... If he ends up sucking it won't be because he doesn't care; he is just collecting a paycheck or because he bamboozled the Pegulas....hell he probably ran around his house like we all did when Andy Dalton hit Tyler Boyd. Let's cut him some slack for a bit. He's a brother. But is he blue collar and does he bring a lunch pail to work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, nucci said: But is he blue collar and does he bring a lunch pail to work? Lunch pail full of wings? I wonder who would win in a wing eating contest, Brian Daboll or Greg Roman? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Well there you go! I was right! Just this weekend I posted whether there was anyone in the college ranks that would be an OC candidate instead of all the NFL re-treads people were throwing out there. I'm rarely right...so I just had to say it! GO BILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Well there you go! I was right! Just this weekend I posted whether there was anyone in the college ranks that would be an OC candidate instead of all the NFL re-treads people were throwing out there. I'm rarely right...so I just had to say it! GO BILLS I bet you either the AFC or NFC wins the Superbowl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Take a look around the NFL. Most coaches/coordinators are only as good as the players they have on the roster. Our success on offense (especially in the passing game) will most likely be determined on April 26-27, during the next NFL draft. Let's take a close look at some of the other names being thrown around: Mike McCoy was ridiculously successful as an offensive coordinator with the Broncos. It even earned him a head coaching slot with the Chargers. Many Bills fans were disappointed last offseason when he chose to return to Denver instead of joining our staff. One season with Trevor Siemian under center instead of Peyton Manning, and suddenly the guy's reputation is trash. Darrell Bevell had been a hot coaching candidate when the Seahawks were at the top of their game. He was considered an innovative offensive playcaller. Marshawn Lynch walks out of town, the running game goes to poop, and suddenly Bevell is a total idiot and the most predictable coordinator on the planet. Did he forget how to call a football game, or did his talent take a nosedive? Rob Chudzinski's coaching history looks like a roller coaster. Cam Newton has a great rookie season, and "Chud" is credited with his development. He goes to the Browns, fails to get anything from Brandon Weeden, and all of a sudden doesn't know anything about developing QBs. He navigates over to the Colts with Andrew Luck, and somehow his QB genius is restored. Luck gets hurt, and he becomes an idiot once again. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, PolishDave said: I bet you either the AFC or NFC wins the Superbowl. Well that's just dumb....everyone knows the Patriots are going to win again....yawn! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, PolishDave said: I bet you either the AFC or NFC wins the Superbowl. I thought the Saints already won 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Take a look around the NFL. Most coaches/coordinators are only as good as the players they have on the roster. Our success on offense (especially in the passing game) will most likely be determined on April 26-27, during the next NFL draft. Let's take a close look at some of the other names being thrown around: Mike McCoy was ridiculously successful as an offensive coordinator with the Broncos. It even earned him a head coaching slot with the Chargers. Many Bills fans were disappointed last offseason when he chose to return to Denver instead of joining our staff. One season with Trevor Siemian under center instead of Peyton Manning, and suddenly the guy's reputation is trash. Darrell Bevell had been a hot coaching candidate when the Seahawks were at the top of their game. He was considered an innovative offensive playcaller. Marshawn Lynch walks out of town, the running game goes to poop, and suddenly Bevell is a total idiot and the most predictable coordinator on the planet. Did he forget how to call a football game, or did his talent take a nosedive? Rob Chudzinski's coaching history looks like a roller coaster. Cam Newton has a great rookie season, and "Chud" is credited with his development. He goes to the Browns, fails to get anything from Brandon Weeden, and all of a sudden doesn't know anything about developing QBs. He navigates over to the Colts with Andrew Luck, and somehow his QB genius is restored. Luck gets hurt, and he becomes an idiot once again. ^^This guy gets it. You could be a professor at armchair NFL GM university. Best party school in the USA. Heavy drinking encouraged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 11 hours ago, PolishDave said: If you don't think the Bills chose to be ground and pound of their own free will, then you must not really follow football very deeply. At any point in the last three years, they could have went and got a different style of quarterback and started that guy if they so chose. They didn't. They didn't go get Shady because of their QB. They went and got Shady because they WANTED to run the ball. Please stop it with the non sense... and if they had a QB who could throw reliably they wouold of thrown more. COMMON SENSE NEEDS TO BE APPLIED. Nothing wrong with having a caliber of RB like Shady on the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I would imagine that this hire, at least in part, is an acknowledgement of our OL being almost entirely under contract already and an effort to use a blocking scheme that they have been successful in rather than blowing the unit up and creating even more holes this offseason. Hopefully he gets his pick for QB and we take a step forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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