Deranged Rhino Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I don't really give a !@#$ about losing Gilly but this does nothing but stir the hate I have for the *cheats. !@#$ em and !@#$ all you *cheat fans that just can't get enough of a Bills fan message board. Take ur asses back to chowdaville and drown in some NE clam chowda you !@#$in loser !@#$s We need to f*ck right now to get this genital confusion worked out! Meet me at LA Fitness in 20 minutes. I call bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Did we just win the off season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 18 pages for a back-up RB in a passing league and on a board that at best thinks the current QB is adequate?? I liked TD Mike. But if fat Karlos had not turned to drugs Gillislee might have had 20 total carries last year. I would have matched the offer only because the kid has produced and pick #163 is really a 6th round talent. Can't wait for Thursday!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 We need to f*ck right now to get this genital confusion worked out! Meet me at LA Fitness in 20 minutes. Just when you think you have heard it all, folks...stay tuned...this is starting to get good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Alexander. Brown's play declined the last third of the year. Debatable. Alexander looked more sexy due to the sacks. Brown is 6 years younger than Lorenzo who is 33 and on the downside of a pretty bad career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 This is a mistake. The first mistake was the lowball offer sheet to Gillislee. Whaley strikes again... Completely agree. Big mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Just when you think you have heard it all, folks...stay tuned...this is starting to get good... I never understood the attraction to naggin' wives. I get it now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Debatable. Alexander looked more sexy due to the sacks. Brown is 6 years younger than Lorenzo who is 33 and on the downside of a pretty bad career. 2 pro-bowls, known for being a top tier special teamer. Not an elite career but solid. Did you know he also played Oline, DT, and Tight End? But going on the one year, you could argue either way which one had the better year, but Zach Brown earned a one year contract for 2.5 million all the while Zo earned a two-year contract worth 9 million with 4.1 million GTD. Even the older Alexander was valued more than Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Sorry if this was already posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 So would this reaction thread have been larger or smaller if we had matched the offer and retained Gilislee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 So would this reaction thread have been larger or smaller if we had matched the offer and retained Gilislee?The same people complaining they didn't match would be complaining that they did match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Just when you think you have heard it all, folks...stay tuned...this is starting to get good... Starting? Are you shitting me? These two are perfect, they should provide more of this banter during work hours though. That would make my days more enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Did we just win the off season? I think you need to ask Rex, that was his specialty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Sorry if this was already posted Once you sign with NE save the bedroom talk. We hate yah now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Meanwhile, Pat fans are wondering why they signed him. Already have White, Burkert, Dion Lewis, Brandon Bolden and James Develin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Meanwhile, Pat fans are wondering why they signed him. Already have White, Burkert, Dion Lewis, Brandon Bolden and James Develin Maybe we can sign MG after he gets cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Meanwhile, Pat fans are wondering why they signed him. Already have White, Burkert, Dion Lewis, Brandon Bolden and James Develin That's simply not true, in Bill we trust is all these mouth breathers know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 If it makes anyone feel better, the Dolphins are the real dummies here. They had first crack at Hogan and Gilly and couldn't make it work. I'm just gonna focus on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Sorry if this was already posted He's dead to me. Kidding, sort of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) Correct on both counts. But keeping MG wouldn't change that calculus for either team. ?? -- Really?? How do you figure? Please explain. Know that i come from the school which regards Gillislee as objectively good. I also come from the school that prefers known good players to unknowns or guys who look bad to date (Jonathan Williams). Edited April 25, 2017 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Maybe we can sign MG after he gets cut. Well, I hope it's after he has kickoff return duty against us in December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 18 pages for a back-up RB in a passing league and on a board that at best thinks the current QB is adequate?? I liked TD Mike. But if fat Karlos had not turned to drugs Gillislee might have had 20 total carries last year. I would have matched the offer only because the kid has produced and pick #163 is really a 6th round talent. Can't wait for Thursday!!! It may be a passing league but the Bills are not a passing team. As you probably know, we were #1 in rushing yards, #1 in ypc (by a good margin), and #2 in rushing attempts last year. The Bills don't have a lot of good things going for them. But the rushing attack is one. So why mess with it? MG was highly productive as Shady's backup. Here are some interesting observations from PFF Gillislee earned an overall PFF grade of 76.4, which ranked 14th among qualified RBs in the 2016 season. He averaged 3.34 yards after contact, the third-best mark among RBs last season. His 43.3 breakaway percentage (percentage of yards which came from runs of 15-plus yards) ranked third among qualified RBs in 2016. He had 10 runs of 15 or more yards. He ranked eighth among RBs with an elusive rating (how hard the runner is to bring down independent of blocking, taking into account forced missed tackles and yards after contact) of 57.6 last season. https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-bills-need-to-match-new-england-offer-on-mike-gillislee/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Well, I hope it's after he has kickoff return duty against us in December.lol good one, forgot about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 It may be a passing league but the Bills are not a passing team. As you probably know, we were #1 in rushing yards, #1 in ypc (by a good margin), and #2 in rushing attempts last year. The Bills don't have a lot of good things going for them. But the rushing attack is one. So why mess with it? MG was highly productive as Shady's backup. Here are some interesting observations from PFF Gillislee earned an overall PFF grade of 76.4, which ranked 14th among qualified RBs in the 2016 season. He averaged 3.34 yards after contact, the third-best mark among RBs last season. His 43.3 breakaway percentage (percentage of yards which came from runs of 15-plus yards) ranked third among qualified RBs in 2016. He had 10 runs of 15 or more yards. He ranked eighth among RBs with an elusive rating (how hard the runner is to bring down independent of blocking, taking into account forced missed tackles and yards after contact) of 57.6 last season. https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-bills-need-to-match-new-england-offer-on-mike-gillislee/ Because it's the one thing the Bills franchise always seems to do well, no matter what. Whether it's Cookie Gilchrist, OJ Simpson, Greg Bell, Robb Riddick, Thurman, Kenny Davis, Derrick Holmes, Jonathan Linton, Antowain Smith, Travis Henry, Sammy Morris, Willis McGahee, Fred Jackson, Marshawn Lynch, Karlos Williams, Mike Gillislee, or Shady McCoy... The Bills will run the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) ?? -- Really?? How do you figure? Please explain. Know that i come from the school which regards Gillislee as objectively good. I also come from the school that prefers known good players to unknowns or guys who look bad to date (Jonathan Williams). The post I was responding to posited that this move made the P*triots better and the Bills worse. I agreed. But the P*triots were better than the Bills before they got TD Mike, and would still be better than the Bills if they had retained his services. The point being, MG isn't going to be the guy who determines whether or not the Bills beat the Cheats and visa versa. I'm a TD Mike fan. The team is worse off without him. But it's not the death blow by any stretch as it's being made out to be by some in this thread. I was merely pointing that out. Edited April 25, 2017 by Deranged Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 To anyone saying a 5th round pick is adequate compensation for a RB that led the NFL in yards per carry last year for a team that is trying to build a run-first offense, I'd just like to point out this team just gave up getting a 3rd & 4th next year for Ducasse and Davis. (who combined will now be making approximately what we would have had to pay to match Gillislee's offer, so not even a salary cap benefit) I'd prefer Gillislee + 3rd round pick + 4th round pick over Ducasse/Davis. I'm not convinced anyone currently at OBD knows how to build/maintain an NFL roster.. i rhink everyone should read this word for word and really feel how clueless Whaley is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 The post I was responding to posited that this move made the P*triots better and the Bills worse. I agreed. But the P*triots were better than the Bills before they got TD Mike, and would still be better than the Bills if they had retained his services. The point being, MG isn't going to be the guy who determines whether or not the Bills beat the Cheats and visa versa. I'm a TD Mike fan. The team is worse off without him. But it's not the death blow by any stretch as it's being made out to be by some in this thread. I was merely pointing that out. Miami lost to NE twice last season and still made the WC. Losing good talent doesn't help the Bills chances of making a WC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Good. They maybe messed up by not putting the 2nd round tender, but don't double down by overpaying. That's how the terrorists (aka Pats) win. Yup. And in the end we signed a street FA and essentially traded him for a 5th. Don't get me wrong, I wanted to keep MG, but you don't negotiate with terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Gillislee, 26, was the Bills' No. 2 running back last season behind LeSean McCoy, rushing 101 times for 577 yards and eight touchdowns. Among NFL running backs with a qualifying number of carries, Gillislee led the league in yards per rush (5.71), rushes per touchdown (12.6), first-down rate on rushes (38.6 percent) and third-down conversion rate on rushes (75 percent). a 5th round pick should replace that pretty easily I would think. smh Dont stop the narrative here. Dont you know these cliches:Just another guy. Rbs are a dime a dozen. Udrfa blah blah I mean we ahould be able to find jordan howard in the 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Dont stop the narrative here. Dont you know these cliches: Just another guy. Rbs are a dime a dozen. Udrfa blah blah I mean we ahould be able to find jordan howard in the 5th. Cliches become so because the subject matter comes up again and again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 A lot of brave talk here. Wait 'till Shady gets hurt. Wait'til shady can't hold up to 25 carries/game. JWilliams not yet a proven pro. It takes TWO good rb's to succeed, and we will have one proven...and another....oh well. I am glad I didn't reup the season tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 the melt down continues over a back up rb. it's april, opening day is months away. they'll replace him, he was no god but a rb, back up running back no less. This.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 A lot of brave talk here. Wait 'till Shady gets hurt. Wait'til shady can't hold up to 25 carries/game. JWilliams not yet a proven pro. It takes TWO good rb's to succeed, and we will have one proven...and another....oh well. I am glad I didn't reup the season tickets. Brave? Come on it's talk about one guy on a football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Why did no other NFL team think MG was worth a 5th round pick at that salary, but we're the dumdums?Do you understand the term signed to an offer sheet?Which ever team has the largest offer/best team usually gets the player to sign the offer sheer. Teams dont report such and such player might sign an offer sheet... Saying multiple metrics is the easiest way to show that you don't understand football. He had 100 carries and 1 reception. Nice stat line but a gimmick one too. SM It's like saying that a pinch hitter with 100 AB who had the highest OPS would do the same thing getting starter ABs. Did the pinch hitter score 12% of his teams runs on the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Miami lost to NE twice last season and still made the WC. Losing good talent doesn't help the Bills chances of making a WC. I agree. But I don't think MG's numbers or impact is impossible to replicate for cheaper. Hence, the outrage expressed in this thread (to me) is slightly misplaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Do you think with Hogan , Gilmore , and MG in the fold the Bills would unseat the Pats? Do you think that without these three players , the Pats would not simply plug in someone else from another team and continue to win? Don't let the fact that they sign a few Bills players cloud your judgement. I'm betting their Super Bowl odds across the country would be no different without these signings. Yes under the right coach. The Bills can beat the Pats. I have faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Farewell to His Dizziness, TD Mike Gillespie (sic). Two years in a row, the Bills lowball a tender, and the Pats get a good player. The Bills definitely came out on the short end of this deal. Maybe someone can do what TD Mike did, maybe not. What is indisputable is that backup RB is now a question mark going in to 2017. JWill did not impress with the fumblerooskis. No idea who the dumpster dive guys are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Per nfl.com Peterson is close to a $3MM/year agreement with New Orleans. Would you rather have MG for $4MM or Peterson for $3MM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 i rhink everyone should read this word for word and really feel how clueless Whaley is.he forgot the 5th we get for mg, and that 3rd and 4th comp wouldnt be gauranteed. They also depend on how the playing time and other things. If it just went by player additions and subtractions we would have gotta a 6th or 7th this year but didnt.They were probably counting on guys like douzable, bryant and felton getting signed but they havent yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 He's better than the fifth round pick. And you know this how? What do you mean? Are you asking because you don't know? Obviously next man up, in this case JWill or a draft pick. Not that complicated and not that big of a difference. Who the heck is Bryan Henning? I am asking because I don't know. Obviously a guy that thinks a 27 year old back is the future for McCoy lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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