dubs Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) More of an unknown at this point than demonstrably true/false.That's what I mean. False premise. I think you can make a good argument that this was a shrewd move by the Bills, albeit one that is small. I bet they are really high on JW, wanted to find a way to get him more carries, knew that it wouldn't happen if they resigned MG or tendered him for a 2nd. So they dangled him for a fifth and got the Pats to bite. This is obviously speculation but I think very possible. Edited April 24, 2017 by dubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Lost Gilmore, Brown, Woods, MG. We got two fullbacks, a safety, and a kicker. The CB tandom is one of the worst in the NFL right now, and the WR group outside of Watkins is a bottom tier group. The depth is worse. You also have to factor in the coaching and scheme changes. Buffalo is going through a transition, the Cheats are building on an already solid foundation. The Bills, with or without MG, were already competing for a WC spot, not the division title. The Cheats have the division in the bag so long as Br*dy is upright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Patriots finally got fleeced by the Bills. I'll believe that when I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I would have liked to see MG stay. I would have liked to see Higan stay. But losing them is not that big a deal. Backup RBs are relatively easy to find, as is a 3/4 string WR. The Bills are no different than any other team, they assign value to positions and players. Then they make decisions. When you are able to strip the emotion out of it , that's what you are left with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I don't get it. We just let a reasonably priced productive player go for a late 5th round pick. I don't see how this makes us better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallskiWallski83 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Yep, way more excited to see what that 5th rnd pick will bring than keeping the most efficient back in the NFL last year. Yep Define "efficient" please? Yards per carry? Yards after contact? Mike is a simple 1 cut runner and hes going to play the L Blount role for New England. AKA rack up short yardage touchdowns and gain tons of yards on teams they blow out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Cthulhu Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 That's what I mean. False premise. I think you can make a good argument that this was a shrewd move by the Bills, albeit one that is small. I bet they are really high on JW, wanted to find a way to get him more carries, knew that it wouldn't happen if they resigned MG or tendered him for a 2nd. So they dangled him for a fifth and got the Pats to bite. This is obviously speculation but I think very possible. Gotcha. Yeah if that was their thought process it makes sense. I hope the faith in JWill is well founded though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Looked at the bios for the 3 backups now in the roster. They all seem to be north-south guys, reasonably fast, can grind out tough yards. If the coaches see 1-2 of them as adequate talent then understandable why they would not go over a certain price point for MG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 If Mike G was such a steal why did it take so long to get an offer? Why only one team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I don't get it. We just let a reasonably priced productive player go for a late 5th round pick. I don't see how this makes us better. It doesn't. Esp for an offense that is so run heavy. MG should be very happy though. He'll win a SB ring and play a nice part in it, and be part of the reason NE beats up on the Bills, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Cthulhu Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 If Mike G was such a steal why did it take so long to get an offer? Why only one team? Probably a function of the attitude towards the position in general around the league. Ex-starters still looking for work too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Again, a team that didn't need him at all. He was cut before coming to BUF? Had you heard of him? Did you think that a converted RB from FLA state would rip off 7 TDs in 7 games? There are guys out there waiting for their shot. The funny thing is, if the Bills had cut McCoy, you'd likely being saying " no big deal , we have MG"... that's a much bigger pair of shoes to fill I get that. McCoy is a special talent, I think the extension was unnecessary and is the reason they are not keeping MG. MG led the league in multiple measurements and if it was that easy McCoy would have led some of those. Lets not pretend that Gillislies production was just a fluke. He produced at the same pace in 2015. Maybe the system here helped him thrive but the guy has done nothing but produce and the best coach in the game wants him as a #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Yep, way more excited to see what that 5th rnd pick will bring than keeping the most efficient back in the NFL last year. Yep Most efficient backs in the NFL for the past few years (going by YPA): Thomas Rawls/Karlos Williams Justin Forsett Andre Ellington Adrian Peterson I'll give you AP but aside from that it's mostly backups with around 100 attempts. There is no correlation to having the highest YPA. Once you set a minimum of about 200 attempts that's when you see what players are really made of. Not that this will convince you on your little crusade but I promise having the highest YPA when you're a backup is not a huge deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I don't get it. We just let a reasonably priced productive player go for a late 5th round pick. I don't see how this makes us better. It doesn't. It just isn't a make-or-break move in terms of beating the P*ts for the division. It's also not as if TD Mike's production cannot be replaced for cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Yes, there are a lot of differing opinions on this move, I do believe we need heat maps to clear things up. The blue-ish area beneath "3rd and 2 or less" clearly indicates that Tyrod stuggles in high leverage situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 This is less than a nonissue. If McCoy goes down we're screwed anyway, by which I mean we might go 2-14 instead of 7-9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I get that. McCoy is a special talent, I think the extension was unnecessary and is the reason they are not keeping MG. MG led the league in multiple measurements and if it was that easy McCoy would have led some of those. Lets not pretend that Gillislies production was just a fluke. He produced at the same pace in 2015. Maybe the system here helped him thrive but the guy has done nothing but produce and the best coach in the game wants him as a #1. He played in five games in 2015. Five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Define "efficient" please? Yards per carry? Yards after contact? Mike is a simple 1 cut runner and hes going to play the L Blount role for New England. AKA rack up short yardage touchdowns and gain tons of yards on teams they blow out. MG led the league in multiple categories and efficiency metrics like dvoa etc. He wasn t near the top, he was the top. Obviously BB was impressed. He played in five games in 2015. Five. I know that. My point was his ypc and td% was the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 The real issue here is that the original glorious thread was locked before we could get it to 200 pages. We should get this one up to 100 and then merge them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 11 years ago is recent? Man, some Bills fans are just down for whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I know that. My point was his ypc and td% was the same. For a bit over a quarter of the season. Which is an important thing to point out when you're claiming his 2015 production was the same. It wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 MG led the league in multiple categories and efficiency metrics like dvoa etc. He wasn t near the top, he was the top. Obviously BB was impressed. I know that. My point was his ypc and td% was the same. Ok, so you're saying he's going to lead the league in all those categories again next year?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 11 years ago is recent? Man, some Bills fans are just down for whatever. Except making friendly bets to back up all their **** talk. Requires a working set of genitals to do that I guess. One day maybe you'll get some from Santa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 he was worth $2.76 million thats for sure. McDermott cannot be happy with Overdorf and Whaley for this gaffe. It worked with Groy, but we lost with TD Mike. The only way to mitigate this poor management move is to hit on the patriots 5th round pick, which is now ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 11 years ago is recent? Man, some Bills fans are just down for whatever. And some Bills fans are just down. #$%^ some of you are depressing as all hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 It doesn't. Esp for an offense that is so run heavy. MG should be very happy though. He'll win a SB ring and play a nice part in it, and be part of the reason NE beats up on the Bills, again. come on man. you envious over a back up rb going to the patsies? way to take overdramatics to the next level. my god, the kid is replaceable and will be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 11 years ago is recent? Man, some Bills fans are just down for whatever. Just saw posted by Sal M that the entire 2013 draft class is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 And some Bills fans are just down. #$%^ some of you are depressing as all hell. Badnuts isn't depressing, he's a mentally unstable narcissist prone to doubling down on his bad takes and who completely lacks a sense of humor about himself. That makes him hilarious, not depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 come on man. you envious over a back up rb going to the patsies? way to take overdramatics to the next level. my god, the kid is replaceable and will be replaced. He'll get 1000 yards for them. He was a very good player for us. His production is not that easily replaceable. he was important in an offense that is so run heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Most efficient backs in the NFL for the past few years (going by YPA): Thomas Rawls/Karlos Williams Justin Forsett Andre Ellington Adrian Peterson I'll give you AP but aside from that it's mostly backups with around 100 attempts. There is no correlation to having the highest YPA. Once you set a minimum of about 200 attempts that's when you see what players are really made of. Not that this will convince you on your little crusade but I promise having the highest YPA when you're a backup is not a huge deal.[/qu Not a crusade, I think Mike played a good role on this team was extremely efficient and will not be easily replaced. The fact that he was allowed to strengthen an arch enemy with such a feeble return makes it worse. I think Doug Whaley is an amateur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 He'll get 1000 yards for them. He was a very good player for us. His production is not that easily replaceable. he was important in an offense that is so run heavy. Outside the WRs and TE, I'd say he was one of the least important parts of our run game. Heck, Woods might have meant more to the rush offense than Gillislie. He'll be replaced, and easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 He'll get 1000 yards for them. He was a very good player for us. His production is not that easily replaceable. he was important in an offense that is so run heavy. he will be replaced. he is no god, he is a football player. stop making him out to be irreplaceable, that's foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Most efficient backs in the NFL for the past few years (going by YPA): Thomas Rawls/Karlos Williams Justin Forsett Andre Ellington Adrian Peterson I'll give you AP but aside from that it's mostly backups with around 100 attempts. There is no correlation to having the highest YPA. Once you set a minimum of about 200 attempts that's when you see what players are really made of. Not that this will convince you on your little crusade but I promise having the highest YPA when you're a backup is not a huge deal.[/qu Not a crusade, I think Mike played a good role on this team was extremely efficient and will not be easily replaced. The fact that he was allowed to strengthen an arch enemy with such a feeble return makes it worse. I think Doug Whaley is an amateur. There's a reason why Whaley makes the bottom tier of GMs on most people's lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Define "efficient" please? Yards per carry? Yards after contact? I haven't seen the stats on this but I would imagine his yards and TDs per snap played are pretty high. I'd imagine his yds and TDs per $ are pretty good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 He'll get 1000 yards for them. He was a very good player for us. His production is not that easily replaceable. he was important in an offense that is so run heavy. 1000 yards for pats? - Probably not but who cares? Very Good Player for Us - yes and no. Good in his role, yes. Replaceable - definitely replaceable. Undoubtably. Important - was third leading rusher on the team. Not THAT impt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 It's on Whaley now to find the next MG. Give him credit for finding the last one and the guys who made him look so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Badnuts isn't depressing, he's a mentally unstable narcissist prone to doubling down on his bad takes and who completely lacks a sense of humor about himself. That makes him hilarious, not depressing. Sounds like half of my clients currently. Does not happen to reside on Long Island? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) Lets just wait and see if the Bills have another backup who can lead the league in multiple metrics. It should be easy to find that one guy who is better than everyone else in so many ways. Piece of cake. Who is this Bill Belichek guy who thinks a backup is worth that much. What an idiot!many can't seem to get past the Pats scar tissue here. BB thinks he is worth that much in his RBBC that includes 5 RBs. They won't have a #1 RB that gets most of the carries. The Bills have a very different RB approach. They also gave a new coaching staff that is going to value draft picks and cap space over holdovers from the previous regime. It truly makes sense for both sides. Edited April 24, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 he will be replaced. he is no god, he is a football player. stop making him out to be irreplaceable, that's foolish. We disagree. just added another hole to a roster full of too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 many can't seem to get past the Pats scar tissue here. BB thinks he is worth that much in his RBBC that includes 5 RBs. They won't have a #1 RB that gets most of the carries. The Bills have a very different RB approach. It truly makes sense for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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