Magox Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 I have been on the WR bandwagon for 1st round pick for a couple years now. The top 20 WR's in this years draft is probably higher quality than at any time that I can remember. You could probably find a good WR in the first 3 rounds. It got me thinking, what player if they became available anywhere in the vicinity of the 28th pick that is not a WR that you could not pass up on? For me, it would be LAIATU LATU. Edge rusher is a position of need, they are a premium pick position and Latu fits the bill. He for me would be very difficult to pass up if he were available somewhere around the 22 pick up. He's a stud, great technician, has all the moves, great pro typical size with a history of fantastic production at a big university. I think the dude will end up being a 10+ a year guy right off the bat. 5 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 There is certainly a need to acquire Diggs’ eventual replacement, and this would be a good time to do that. But, beyond that, if this draft is as deep at WR as people are saying, there will be one in the second round. I would love to see the Bills draft a WR in the first. It would be fun, and exciting. We need another playmaker on Offense. But the truth is, we are desperately thin on defense. The starting 11 might be considered adequate (barely), lack of a pass rush notwithstanding. But after that… it’s hard to get excited about The JAGs they’ve added to the D-line, a geriatric Von Miller or the notion that Cam Lewis is our best defensive back after the starting five. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 28 minutes ago, Magox said: I have been on the WR bandwagon for 1st round pick for a couple years now. The top 20 WR's in this years draft is probably higher quality than at any time that I can remember. You could probably find a good WR in the first 3 rounds. It got me thinking, what player if they became available anywhere in the vicinity of the 28th pick that is not a WR that you could not pass up on? For me, it would be LAIATU LATU. Edge rusher is a position of need, they are a premium pick position and Latu fits the bill. He for me would be very difficult to pass up if he were available somewhere around the 22 pick up. He's a stud, great technician, has all the moves, great pro typical size with a history of fantastic production at a big university. I think the dude will end up being a 10+ a year guy right off the bat. Latu is my answer too. If he is there then unless one of the top 3 receivers is also there I'd take him and start trying to trade up in round 2 to make sure I get a receiver. He is just a tier of talent above all the receivers except the top 3. You can't pass on that at a premium position. But this Bills regime has been reluctant to take risks on injury guys. So I doubt they'd do it. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 A top QB so I could trade him to the Vikings for Justin Jefferson. I'm only serious. (Legal disclaimer: Yes I know they draft ahead of us. But since we aren't the GM it's all theoretical anyway. I'm all in on the WR-1 in Round 1 train) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantha Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Personally I think we need to try to trade Stefon Diggs BEFORE the draft day for a pick package that nets a second rounder in some way. I'm happy to move on from Diggs and go all in with this WR class. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Latu is my answer too. If he is there then unless one of the top 3 receivers is also there I'd take him and start trying to trade up in round 2 to make sure I get a receiver. He is just a tier of talent above all the receivers except the top 3. You can't pass on that at a premium position. But this Bills regime has been reluctant to take risks on injury guys. So I doubt they'd do it. I think the Bills would also consider one of their top interior DLs if they are available at 28…I think they believe the Samuel acquisition frees them up to go WR in round 2. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Defensive end is still a big need and we can't go into the year with Von as our only speed rusher. DT, DE, S, IOL, and WR are all needs that will need to be addressed in the draft and/or late free agency. This draft seems loaded with WR, DT, and Safety prospects and I'm hoping that Beane resists the temptation to trade up and instead uses all of the picks at his disposal to inject this roster with youth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 I only want a receiver at or very close to the 28th pick if it is Mitchell or Thomas. The top 3 receivers are long gone. I doubt a top 3 DE is at #28, but here's hoping. Trading down is probably best course, if possible, if those two receivers aren't around. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, mannc said: I think the Bills would also consider one of their top interior DLs if they are available at 28…I think they believe the Samuel acquisition frees them up to go WR in round 2. So I love Newton and I like Murphy a lot. But they are 3Ts. How do you get the value out of them with Ed playing 70% of the snaps and being your best defender last year? 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: So I love Newton and I like Murphy a lot. But they are 3Ts. How do you get the value out of them with Ed playing 70% of the snaps and being your best defender last year? I don’t think they wanted to play Ed Oliver that much last year but had no choice with DQ, Phillips going down and Settle being disappointing. I think they would ideally do a 60-40. If that is worth it who knows 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 It remains to be seen in who will be available. Ultimately I think a DL like Chop Robinson, Darius Robinson or Johnny Newton could fall to us which to make me wait in WR as think the DL depth isn't great this year. I admit though I'd also love to grab Brian Thomas or Ad Mitchell or Xavier Legette. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 So again let's not give our all world QB a 1st round talent at WR. Christ people... 6 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) 8 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: So again let's not give our all world QB a 1st round talent at WR. Christ people... The Chiefs haven't drafted a 1st Round WR for Mahomes since they added him. I guess they're a poor team to emulate? Edited March 27 by The Jokeman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 45 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: So I love Newton and I like Murphy a lot. But they are 3Ts. How do you get the value out of them with Ed playing 70% of the snaps and being your best defender last year? Just spit ballin here, but couldn’t Newton play on 2nd and 3rd down along side Oliver in obvious passing downs while giving Oliver a blow when needed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Latu might be the only one if the first rd I’d take over a WR if he fell that far. But I’ll add that if Thomas Jr, Franklin, Mitchell aren’t there anymore, im reading back anyway and picking up extra picks. Hoping to get Sweat and another WR. Honestly, I think Franklin might be a little high for 28 but if he’s the guy they’re in love with, who am I to argue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) 2 hours ago, Magox said: I have been on the WR bandwagon for 1st round pick for a couple years now. The top 20 WR's in this years draft is probably higher quality than at any time that I can remember. You could probably find a good WR in the first 3 rounds. It got me thinking, what player if they became available anywhere in the vicinity of the 28th pick that is not a WR that you could not pass up on? For me, it would be LAIATU LATU. Edge rusher is a position of need, they are a premium pick position and Latu fits the bill. He for me would be very difficult to pass up if he were available somewhere around the 22 pick up. He's a stud, great technician, has all the moves, great pro typical size with a history of fantastic production at a big university. I think the dude will end up being a 10+ a year guy right off the bat. Laiatu Latu probably would be the pick if he were on the board at 28. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on how you look at it, I don't see any way he is still on the board at 28. Latu to me is like Byron Murphy at DT or Brian Thomas Jr. at WR. You see *some* mocks where they're available for us. But the likely reality is that all of them should be gone by the time we pick. Edited March 27 by BillsFanForever19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 2 hours ago, mannc said: I think they believe the Samuel acquisition frees them up to go WR in round 2. I don't think so. Beane called Samuel a "weapon" when asked about him and alluded to his early days in Carolina when he was a hybrid RB/WR. I think they see him as the much better version of McKenzie/Harty. Clearly they value that role, they just haven't been able to get it right yet. Throwing a lot of money at Samuel is a way of them finally getting that role figured out once and for all. It won't preclude them from drafting a true outside WR high in the draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I don't think so. Beane called Samuel a "weapon" when asked about him and alluded to his early days in Carolina when he was a hybrid RB/WR. I think they see him as the much better version of McKenzie/Harty. Clearly they value that role, they just haven't been able to get it right yet. Throwing a lot of money at Samuel is a way of them finally getting that role figured out once and for all. It won't preclude them from drafting a true outside WR high in the draft. Which prospects do you think fall under that umbrella? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said: Which prospects do you think fall under that umbrella? Thomas, Franklin, Coleman, Legette, Mitchell, Worthy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) 28 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: The Chiefs haven't drafted a 1st Round WR for Mahomes since they added him. I guess they're a poor team to emulate? We can make that comparison when Andy Reid or some other really good offensive HC is in charge. Not McDermott. And when KC's GM is making our picks, not Beane. Edited March 27 by SoonerBillsFan 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: So I love Newton and I like Murphy a lot. But they are 3Ts. How do you get the value out of them with Ed playing 70% of the snaps and being your best defender last year? Not saying I agree with that draft strategy…I think Beane would point out that they use a four-man rotation on the IDL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 14 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Thomas, Franklin, Coleman, Legette, Mitchell, Worthy. Solid list. No McConkey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 22 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I don't think so. Beane called Samuel a "weapon" when asked about him and alluded to his early days in Carolina when he was a hybrid RB/WR. I think they see him as the much better version of McKenzie/Harty. Clearly they value that role, they just haven't been able to get it right yet. Throwing a lot of money at Samuel is a way of them finally getting that role figured out once and for all. It won't preclude them from drafting a true outside WR high in the draft. I hope you’re right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 6 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Solid list. No McConkey? No, I see him as more of a slot at the next level. His skill set is too redundant for what we already have on the roster for my liking. I want someone with physical traits, top end size/strength or speed or both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 3 hours ago, Yantha said: Personally I think we need to try to trade Stefon Diggs BEFORE the draft day for a pick package that nets a second rounder in some way. I'm happy to move on from Diggs and go all in with this WR class. Think trading Diggs and our 2nd rounder can move us up about 10 spots in the 2nd round. Which I’d say is a bigger loss to our team than gain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) 3 hours ago, Magox said: I have been on the WR bandwagon for 1st round pick for a couple years now. The top 20 WR's in this years draft is probably higher quality than at any time that I can remember. You could probably find a good WR in the first 3 rounds. It got me thinking, what player if they became available anywhere in the vicinity of the 28th pick that is not a WR that you could not pass up on? For me, it would be LAIATU LATU. Edge rusher is a position of need, they are a premium pick position and Latu fits the bill. He for me would be very difficult to pass up if he were available somewhere around the 22 pick up. He's a stud, great technician, has all the moves, great pro typical size with a history of fantastic production at a big university. I think the dude will end up being a 10+ a year guy right off the bat. depends who is there. Over Thomas no, but Worthy, sure. May even grab some other WRs like Polk, etc. Edited March 27 by RyanC883 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 4 hours ago, Magox said: I have been on the WR bandwagon for 1st round pick for a couple years now. The top 20 WR's in this years draft is probably higher quality than at any time that I can remember. You could probably find a good WR in the first 3 rounds. It got me thinking, what player if they became available anywhere in the vicinity of the 28th pick that is not a WR that you could not pass up on? For me, it would be LAIATU LATU. Edge rusher is a position of need, they are a premium pick position and Latu fits the bill. He for me would be very difficult to pass up if he were available somewhere around the 22 pick up. He's a stud, great technician, has all the moves, great pro typical size with a history of fantastic production at a big university. I think the dude will end up being a 10+ a year guy right off the bat. Broken neck + DE = BAD IDEA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Truthfully, Josh has enough weapons where struggling in the passing game shouldn’t be a thing: Stef Diggs, Curtis Samuel, Khalil Shakir, Dalton Kincaid, & James Cook. The reason so many are high on WR is because the majority of us feel that Diggs is on borrowed time and we’d love to find his successor so we don’t miss a beat when he does depart. Objectively the defensive line and safeties are a much weaker group than Allen’s pass catchers. A safety won’t go in round 1, but DL should definitely be in play. I don’t envy Beane, he HAS to get these premium picks right. We can’t afford another Boogie Basham mishap. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 38 minutes ago, mannc said: Not saying I agree with that draft strategy…I think Beane would point out that they use a four-man rotation on the IDL. Yea I get it but realistically how many snaps would he get? I love Newton as a pick I'd find it hard to hate on. As a strategy however.... it is not for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 33 minutes ago, HappyDays said: No, I see him as more of a slot at the next level. His skill set is too redundant for what we already have on the roster for my liking. I want someone with physical traits, top end size/strength or speed or both. Definitely not top end size but his speed and quickness I think are top end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 8 minutes ago, Brand J said: Truthfully, Josh has enough weapons where struggling in the passing game shouldn’t be a thing: Stef Diggs, Curtis Samuel, Khalil Shakir, Dalton Kincaid, & James Cook. The reason so many are high on WR is because the majority of us feel that Diggs is on borrowed time and we’d love to find his successor so we don’t miss a beat when he does depart. Objectively the defensive line and safeties are a much weaker group than Allen’s pass catchers. A safety won’t go in round 1, but DL should definitely be in play. I don’t envy Beane, he HAS to get these premium picks right. We can’t afford another Boogie Basham mishap. Josh, IMO, still needs a WR who's open when he's not open. A Dhop type receiver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 It’s WR all the way unless Verse slips into a tradable position. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: The Chiefs haven't drafted a 1st Round WR for Mahomes since they added him. I guess they're a poor team to emulate? Yeah, probably a bad idea since you're already not as talented & are trying to catch up. I don't care if we only lost by 3 points, they now have 3 x Super Bowls & 4 appearances while we've had Josh starting for 6 seasons. Obviously trying to emulate them all these years has not yielded their results. We need to leapfrog them, not keep pace right beneath them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 4 hours ago, Magox said: I have been on the WR bandwagon for 1st round pick for a couple years now. The top 20 WR's in this years draft is probably higher quality than at any time that I can remember. You could probably find a good WR in the first 3 rounds. It got me thinking, what player if they became available anywhere in the vicinity of the 28th pick that is not a WR that you could not pass up on? For me, it would be LAIATU LATU. Edge rusher is a position of need, they are a premium pick position and Latu fits the bill. He for me would be very difficult to pass up if he were available somewhere around the 22 pick up. He's a stud, great technician, has all the moves, great pro typical size with a history of fantastic production at a big university. I think the dude will end up being a 10+ a year guy right off the bat. I’d take Latu over everyone except the consensus top 4 WRs. I don’t think this will an option though. He should be a top 20 pick. Can’t see him availble at 28. No chance a team like AZ should pass on him I’d also consider Murphy’Jr and Newton over any WR not named harrison, Nabers, Odunze, Thomas jr and Mitchell. I think they’re rated higher and can help transform our pass rush. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said: So again let's not give our all world QB a 1st round talent at WR. Christ people... Just because we pick a receiver in the first round at 28 doesn't mean he's a 1st round talent. Past the top 5, (Mitchell is #5) the rest are second day picks IMO. So why pick a WR in the first round just to say you did it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 1 hour ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Think trading Diggs and our 2nd rounder can move us up about 10 spots in the 2nd round. Which I’d say is a bigger loss to our team than gain. Wake up people (not pointed at you Strive) it is absolutely impossible to trade Diggs this year. It would be a $30 million cap hit and we can't sustain that. Next year is a different story. My draft strategy: #28 McConkey - I'm not worried he's not a pure X receiver. He's still 6') 195 (not small) and has great speed. He will catch 100 balls each year. Think Cole Beasley quickness and hands with Eric Mould speed. #60 Walker or a trade up to #45 Legette. Here I get my true X. You have Josh Allen - you give him every weapon you can and this protects against Diggs' future 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Brand J said: Truthfully, Josh has enough weapons where struggling in the passing game shouldn’t be a thing Sure but the goal isn't to have a passing offense that's described as "not struggling." The goal is to have the most productive passing offense in the league, one capable of simply blowing other teams out of the water and steamrolling its way to a #1 seed. Considering our annual abysmal defensive performance in the playoffs, that caliber of offense is the only way we're going to sniff a Super Bowl. And let's be honest. The offensive cast as it stands right now is not at that caliber. It's good enough to be a top 5 passing offense like it always is under Josh Allen, but it's still an entire tier short of where it needs to be to get over the hump. Edited March 28 by HappyDays 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 13 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Sure but the goal isn't to have a passing offense that's described as "not struggling." The goal is to have the most productive passing offense in the league, one capable of simply blowing other teams out of the water and steamrolling its way to a #1 seed. Considering our annual abysmal defensive performance in the playoffs, that caliber of offense is the only way we're going to sniff a Super Bowl. And let's be honest. The offensive cast as it stands right now is not at that caliber. It's good enough to be a top 5 passing offense like it always is under Josh Allen, but it's still an entire tier short of where it needs to be to get over the hump. I mean we did put up 36 points to the Chiefs in Arrowhead and still lost. We just need to make plays when they matter in games whether offense defense and STs. If that means adding a WR great, if it means getting a game wrecking D lineman great. Just get a difference maker imo that can disrupt them in some way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 I just can’t agree with the idea that what makes or breaks this offense is a rookie WR that’s not from the top 3 elite going before us. At 28 it’s as much of a guess as in the middle of second round. If they draft WR wonderful. If not second round is just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Latu is my answer too. If he is there then unless one of the top 3 receivers is also there I'd take him and start trying to trade up in round 2 to make sure I get a receiver. He is just a tier of talent above all the receivers except the top 3. You can't pass on that at a premium position. But this Bills regime has been reluctant to take risks on injury guys. So I doubt they'd do it. I look at Latu's situation and remember Myles Jack. Jack was another UCLA guy who was a top 10 talent in that 2016 draft class but there were team physicians that felt he only had a few good years left. They were right. He's hung around as a journeyman but after 3 good seasons in Jacksonville he was pretty much washed. Jaelan Phillips is the comp that most people might want to use but Phillips injury problem was concussions and I think the retirement rest(including refusing to play the run in college at Miami) got Phillips "right" wrt concussions. The neck evaluation with Latu is everything. I'd think if it were a consensus that it wasn't a degenerative condition like Jack's then he'd be gone in the top 20 in this weak edge class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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