Does Josh Allen still work as hard in the offseason?

[Big Blitz]

Dad Bod is the key to NFL QB success

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

57 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Unironically, he might be, yes.

 

Rodgers has the regular season. Zero question.
 

Aikman was absolutely clutch in the postseason and played much better in the postseason than his mediocre regular seasons. 

 

Hard to find a great stat to encapsulate this via different eras, but Rodgers passer rating dropped 2 points from regular season to postseason play. 
 

Aikman’s went up by 7.

 

I kinda lean towards Aikman being an Eli type QB who got hot but I think there’s an argument there.

 

Aikman is certainly far better than a lot of guys in his era, including Kelly.

 

I remember the first time I went back, as an adult, and looked at Aikman's stats and I thought, "That can't be right."

 

It's one of those things where "you had to be there." 

 

I remember Aikman making all of the important throws at all of the important times.  I hated him like I hated Brady.

[junior]

I am not friends with Josh Allen and don't know what his schedule is like, so I can't say..  and I have a feeling no one in this thread can definitively say either. 

[Mojo44]

He’s been mailing it in for years. Last season was indisputable proof of this🥱

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

The comments in this thread are embarrassing. He's as good or better than Mahomes? Josh is good enough so he doesn't have to work harder? What planet are you guys living on? This is the kind of thread that gets posted on other forums and those fans laugh at how delusional we are. The only thing Josh Allen has ever won in his life was a few division titles and the Idaho Potato Bowl. Get it together, you are embarrassing yourselves with your acceptance of mediocrity.

What’s embarrassing is a fan of a team believing they have any modicum of control over what NFL players/ teams are doing -the reality is they have no choice but acceptance. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

Marino. Tarkenton,  Fouts, Kelly - football, not surprisingly, is a team game.

 

Exactly…for every Montana there’s a Dilfer or Hostetler example of that. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

The comments in this thread are embarrassing. He's as good or better than Mahomes? Josh is good enough so he doesn't have to work harder? What planet are you guys living on? This is the kind of thread that gets posted on other forums and those fans laugh at how delusional we are. The only thing Josh Allen has ever won in his life was a few division titles and the Idaho Potato Bowl. Get it together, you are embarrassing yourselves with your acceptance of mediocrity.

Which is it—Allen is actually mediocre, or our coaching has let us down in key playoff moments?

 

I’ll say his playoff performances have been stellar for the most part, hardly the stuff of mediocrity, imho. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Let me start by saying I come in peace! Just having a conversation here. I know this is kind of a negative Josh post.

 

What do you think? Does it matter to you if he doesn’t train or work on his game as much as he use to?

 

 

How could you, I or any non Bill possibly know what he's doing in the offseason? Just curious. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

How could you, I or any non Bill possibly know what he's doing in the offseason? Just curious. 

He told us. On Bussin with the boys last year he said the last couple years he doesn’t do what he used to do. He even says his strength coach is going to hate that he’s saying this.

 

BUT he also says when he comes to OTA’s he tests better than when he did work in the offseason. He believes getting into shape in camp helps him stay healthy. Working out all the time can lead to soft tissue injuries. He said it’s not for everyone but it works for him.

 

Ive also heard Jordan Palmer say he doesn’t work with Josh as much anymore. Palmer says he doesn’t need it

 

Thats his own words. 1:06:45.
 

 

 

Edited March 21 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Let me start by saying I come in peace! Just having a conversation here. I know this is kind of a negative Josh post.

 

What do you think? Does it matter to you if he doesn’t train or work on his game as much as he use to?

 

I know you aren't trying to start anything.

 

So, let me say that this board had this same conversation last year. 

 

All I want to see is Josh Allen playing the best that he can, and he has not been disappointing in that aspect.

[BillsFanForever19]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

BUT he also says when he comes to OTA’s he tests better than when he did work in the offseason. He believes getting into shape in camp helps him stay healthy. Working out all the time can lead to soft tissue injuries. He said it’s not for everyone but it works for him.

 

So like, what are we doing with this thread then?

 

Sounds like you have your answer. He feels it's better for his body to do it this way. And it's not like we've seen a dropoff in his game because of it. 

 

I don't care what Josh does in the Offseason so long as he keeps playing like Josh.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

13 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

So like, what are we doing with this thread then?

 

Sounds like you have your answer. He feels it's better for his body to do it this way. And it's not like we've seen a dropoff in his game because of it. 

 

I don't care what Josh does in the Offseason so long as he keeps playing like Josh.

Exactly what I said. Does it bother anyone that he doesn’t work on his craft like he used to? I figured most would say no because how dare anyone criticize Josh. 
 

I think he should always work on his craft. But I’m not sure how much better he would be if he always trained like Tom Brady. We’ll never know. 
 

But most argue the offense hasn’t been as good the last couple years and our QB says he doesn’t work as hard as he used to the last couple years. 2+2 = Ken Dorsey. I know.

[KDIGGZ]

1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Which is it—Allen is actually mediocre, or our coaching has let us down in key playoff moments?

 

I’ll say his playoff performances have been stellar for the most part, hardly the stuff of mediocrity, imho. 

Couldn't disagree more. If Josh was at the pinnacle of the sport and the Bills were winning by 2 TD's then the defense couldn't let them down. Tom Brady is divorced because he was obsessed with football and neglected his family to be the best. Josh is a nice guy. He will never be great because he, like all of you, thinks he's good enough. What a joke

[billsfan89]

Josh’s time will come…

[White Linen]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

I think that Josh Allen stopped doing as much in the off-season after 2021. He believed, after that moment, that the difference between him and Mahomes was a coinflip. 
 

Unfortunately, the gulf has only grown since then. 

 

Didn't you say you'd never post again if we drafted him?

[Brand J]

Josh definitely has room for improvement, like every QB in the NFL, so saying he can’t possibly play better is silly. Getting better at pre-snap reads has to rank highest on his agenda, but the only way that improves is through watching much more film, something he admits he’s not keen to do. With that said, the reason the Bills haven’t won a Super Bowl isn’t because Josh has failed the team or come up small in the playoffs. We all know the defense, whether ranked #1 or #15, hasn’t been able to pull its weight when it matters. If that unit had a guy step up and make a crucial play when it matters, like Chris Jones has for the Chiefs multiple years, Allen and the Bills would likely have at least one Lombardi by now. 

[GoBills808]

24 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

Didn't you say you'd never post again if we drafted him?

big if true

[FireChans]

46 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

Didn't you say you'd never post again if we drafted him?

You must be confusing me with someone far more dramatic 

2 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Exactly…for every Montana there’s a Dilfer or Hostetler example of that. 

There’s exactly zero non-all time great QB’s that have won 3 or more Superbowls.

[papazoid]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He has said this. I don’t think it’s affecting his game but he was not on the same page with WRs last year so it makes me wonder. 
 

Most talented QB in the history of the game maybe, but he still has another level to go. I don’t think he has what Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes have mentally, especially in the offseason.

 

(not picking on poster...just that the names brady & mahomes caught my eye) 

 

what josh doesn't have is Hall of Fame Coaching.....that's huge

 

what josh doesn't have is the best team around him.....that's huge

 

yes this is a team game and rings matter, but if you just look at the individual contribution to a plays success...josh is the best QB and player in the league.

 

i fully trust that josh is setting aside the necessary time to stay in shape and improve on his craft.......and still find time to chase pretty girls, play golf and make TV  commercials.

 

we are lucky to have him !

 

 

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I remember the first time I went back, as an adult, and looked at Aikman's stats and I thought, "That can't be right."

 

It's one of those things where "you had to be there." 

 

I remember Aikman making all of the important throws at all of the important times.  I hated him like I hated Brady.

Yeah folks really hate on Aikman far too much.

 

If I was coaching the SB tomorrow, and I had prime Aikman, Kelly or Marino as my choice of QB, I'd take Aikman for sure.

 

Just like we'd all take Tom Brady over the field.  Sometimes, there are just guys who get it done.

Edited March 21 by FireChans

[FITZamishRIFLE]

IDGAFLJABJA

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

7 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

The comments in this thread are embarrassing. He's as good or better than Mahomes? Josh is good enough so he doesn't have to work harder? What planet are you guys living on? This is the kind of thread that gets posted on other forums and those fans laugh at how delusional we are. The only thing Josh Allen has ever won in his life was a few division titles and the Idaho Potato Bowl. Get it together, you are embarrassing yourselves with your acceptance of mediocrity.

C’mon now … if you’ve read enough of this and other Bills forums, you’d know that every player on 5e roster is a beast and the best at his position in the league. How DARE you think that our quarterback has no need to improve his game 😂

[UKBillFan]

4 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

Couldn't disagree more. If Josh was at the pinnacle of the sport and the Bills were winning by 2 TD's then the defense couldn't let them down. Tom Brady is divorced because he was obsessed with football and neglected his family to be the best. Josh is a nice guy. He will never be great because he, like all of you, thinks he's good enough. What a joke

 

He on his own is more than good enough. Worse QBs than Josh have won the Super Bowl.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

4 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

Couldn't disagree more. If Josh was at the pinnacle of the sport and the Bills were winning by 2 TD's then the defense couldn't let them down. Tom Brady is divorced because he was obsessed with football and neglected his family to be the best. Josh is a nice guy. He will never be great because he, like all of you, thinks he's good enough. What a joke

K, not to be cheeky, but substitute yourself for any other fan base in the NFL a over the past few years of the Chefs dynasty run, and couldn’t you make the same allegations about their signal callers and or coaching? Any team that comes up short by definition had a moment that led to their playoff demise, if they even got that far. Now, do you mean to say that each one of those QB’s has the same issue of thinking they’re good enough? You’re making a lot of sweeping statements about Josh and the Bills and his mindset that you really don’t have from the horse’s mouth. You can’t just overlook the rest of the team and coaching in all of this. 

[GunnerBill]

I don't know. But I really hope he works hard this offseason. I feel like Josh being dialled in is the difference between this team being in a lot of one score games and us winning more comfortably. 

[UKBillFan]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't know. But I really hope he works hard this offseason. I feel like Josh being dialled in is the difference between this team being in a lot of one score games and us winning more comfortably. 

 

I agree to an extent though hope he listens to the Bills medical team too. I think his shoulder bothered him for a lot of the season, so if they prefer him to miss physical training then so be it. Saying that, it doesn't stop him watching film and I would like to hear that he is working with Palmer.

[Chaos]

Its not clear what the most clownish part of this thread is.  Here are the nominees:
 

1. Anyone posting in this thread knows what the optimal off-season workout for Josh Allen
2. Anyone posting in this thread knows what Josh Allen's actual off-season workouts actually consist of. 
3. Despite not know 1 or 2 above, being certain Allen isn't working hard enough
4. Somehow the Bills playoff failures are connected to Allen not working hard enough in the off-season,

 

Edited March 21 by Chaos

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Ask yourself what McDermott does to be a better HC? He is the sole reason Allen is not a SuperBowl champion. 

Allen is the only reason the Bills are competitive. 

Replace McDermott with any HC and this team still wins the division. 

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Ask yourself what McDermott does to be a better HC? He is the sole reason Allen is not a SuperBowl champion. 

Allen is the only reason the Bills are competitive. 

Replace McDermott with any HC and this team still wins the division. 

My understanding is that any other head coach means entering a 20 year playoff drought, with or without Josh Allen. 

[Coldfronts]

Shouldn't we be asking what Playboy Mahomes does in the off season

[nucci]

9 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

No, all he does is have sex with Hollywood elite actresses, I thought everyone knew this…, 

not that there's anything wrong with that

[Bob Jones]

Unless this question is put to JA17 in say, July, AND he answers it honestly, there’s no possible way anybody knows the answer to this question.

 

OK, maaaayyyyyybeee his Mom or Dad would know, or some other close family member, but even that’s not a sure thing.

 

I definitely think he has some room for improvement, but I’m not sure that doing anything in the offseason will help him make better decisions as to where/who to throw the ball to in the season.

[DCofNC]

9 hours ago, 90sBills said:

Allen is a great qb and #2 currently. What he does in the offseason is his business. But that drive to be the best that existed in Brady and is what’s driving Mahomes right now is clearly not in Allen. That’s ok because not everyone has that and it’s not a requirement to win a championship. 

Allen is top 2 in the eyes of Buffalo fans.  It’s debatable, that’s for darn sure.  Outside of Buffalo, many have him as a top 7 guy.  He’s physically dominant, but the mental errors are killer.   Obviously the National narrative is around the turnovers. 
 

That said, I think he IS missing the mental edge on the game.  He has t made great decisions with the ball the last two years.  He’s trying to win games physically, that’s not going to last.  I am sure he’s working out etc, but I hope this off-season he really works on the mental aspect of the game and tries to find a better balance of caution vs aggressively going for it all on every possession.   When he finds that middle ground, he has proven to be unreal.  The problem is, too often, he’s either taking all the short passes and not running through wide open lanes or is attempting to drag the entire team to the end zone on his back.  There needs to be a middle.  Mahomes is so great because he sits in that zone most of the time.  Allen is behind him because he’s super hot or super cold most of the time. 

[nucci]

48 minutes ago, Coldfronts said:

Shouldn't we be asking what Playboy Mahomes does in the off season

why...the guy with the wife and baby at home and Superbowl rings?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

54 minutes ago, Coldfronts said:

Shouldn't we be asking what Playboy Mahomes does in the off season

Actually this thread was inspired by seeing Mahomes working out already with his new WR Brown.

[KDIGGZ]

1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

K, not to be cheeky, but substitute yourself for any other fan base in the NFL a over the past few years of the Chefs dynasty run, and couldn’t you make the same allegations about their signal callers and or coaching? Any team that comes up short by definition had a moment that led to their playoff demise, if they even got that far. Now, do you mean to say that each one of those QB’s has the same issue of thinking they’re good enough? You’re making a lot of sweeping statements about Josh and the Bills and his mindset that you really don’t have from the horse’s mouth. You can’t just overlook the rest of the team and coaching in all of this. 

Curt Cousins is not good and comes up short but he works probably harder than anyone in the league and is maximizing his potential, otherwise he might not even be in the league.

 

Conversely, Josh Allen thinks he's good enough and doesn't workout, doesn't watch film, these are his own words. Kyle Allen asked him his plans for the offseason on his podcast. It wasn't to get better and work on being the best QB and winning a championship. He said his plan was to play at every single PGA major golf course. What an absolute slap in the face to Bills fans. This guy wants to be Tiger Woods not Tom Brady. And we all know that he is now immersed into the Hollywood scene and all of those industry parties and such so that will be a whole thing as well.

 

Not so bold prediction: Josh Allen has already peaked and the Bills will never win a Superbowl. He has other interests and he is happy just showing up on Sundays and seeing what happens.

[Ga boy]

40 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

Unless this question is put to JA17 in say, July, AND he answers it honestly, there’s no possible way anybody knows the answer to this question.

 

OK, maaaayyyyyybeee his Mom or Dad would know, or some other close family member, but even that’s not a sure thing.

 

I definitely think he has some room for improvement, but I’m not sure that doing anything in the offseason will help him make better decisions as to where/who to throw the ball to in the season.

Doubt there’s a correlation between his offseason and WR drops and route running and speed and contested catches.

[DanInUticaTampa]

it was pretty obvious last year he worked a lot with jordan palmer in the offseason. pretty sure that will continue this season. why is this even a question? 

[Nihilarian]

10 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

No, all he does is have sex with Hollywood elite actresses, I thought everyone knew this…, 

A man's work is never done! 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, DanInUticaTampa said:

it was pretty obvious last year he worked a lot with jordan palmer in the offseason. pretty sure that will continue this season. why is this even a question? 

 

Was it? I didn't hear anything about him working with Jordan last offseason and I do think there were some signs of regression in some of his fundamentals. That isn't me accusing him of not working hard by the way - I have no idea what he did last offseason but I didn't hear, unlike previous years, mentions of him working with Palmer and I thought it was telling when he was on the media round at the Superbowl he was asked about his offseason workout plans and didn't mention Palmer once. I sort of suspected that relationship had concluded. I'd be interested in hearing to that contrary.