MAJBobby Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Going with another Von Miller type contract here. 6 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Hoping they didnt just push stuff down the road with him. 5 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Love Dawson but it's pretty crazy that he was counting $14.4M against the cap in the first place. Stuff like that is why we are in this mess. 23 2 15 1 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, Back2Buff said: Hoping they didnt just push stuff down the road with him. Regardless, i have 100% faith and confidence in Beane 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 "reworked" sounds more like a pay cut than just a restructure I'm glad Von and Knox were willing to take less money after a down year. 10 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) Sounds like a pay cut. Knox doesn’t have to agree to a restructure. Edited March 11 by Buffalo_Stampede 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Yes, key word there is "reworked". If it's a pay cut like Von took, Id be happy about that. Let's see how much this saves...but solid move to make 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, Back2Buff said: Hoping they didnt just push stuff down the road with him. If it was, we would be hearing "restructure" If we are taking the Miller model, I would suspect that it's a base salary reduction with a potential to be even more money if he returns to 2021 form. Which...if he's getting 550 yards and 8 TD, I am ok with. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I was told a couple weeks ago Knox was approached about a paycut. I'm not sure what leverage we used considering his dead money hit would have been higher than his normal cap hit, but I'm glad to see he accepted the paycut. Perhaps we threatened a release with a post-6/1 designation? Glad to see Beane being especially ruthless this offseason. It is a necessary change. 15 9 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, Back2Buff said: Hoping they didnt just push stuff down the road with him. There is not much more they can do, unless the converted or reduced his contract $ and then added a load of additional incentives for this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Tired: Restructure Wired: Reworked & Renegotiated 2 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Thata boy Dawson!! Dare I say.....can Diggs rework his deal? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, Process said: Love Dawson but it's pretty crazy that he was counting $14.4M against the cap in the first place. Stuff like that is why we are in this mess. What mess? But yes it was a bad contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 If it’s now incentive driven Dawson is Josh’s boy he will get every opportunity to try to hit those bonuses…might be a good fantasy TE take somewhere in your fantasy league 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 8 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Hoping they didnt just push stuff down the road with him. you mean kick the can 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) Good and hopefully it’s a pay cut He was overpaid the moment the ink was dry on that contract . Edited March 11 by DJB 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said: "reworked" sounds more like a pay cut than just a restructure I'm glad Von and Knox were willing to take less money after a down year. Curious what the terms of this looks like? Shooting from the hip I am curious if they basically added a year or two, kept the same total value but increased his guarantees? That would mean that Knox would ultimately have more security and guaranteed money even if it means less year to year? Unsure though. Just guessing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I was told a couple weeks ago Knox was approached about a paycut. I'm not sure what leverage we used considering his dead money hit would have been higher than his normal cap hit, but I'm glad to see he accepted the paycut. Perhaps we threatened a release with a post-6/1 designation? Glad to see Beane being especially ruthless this offseason. It is a necessary change. Sounds like a similar deal to Von. I think the guy likes playing in Buffalo and with Josh Allen who they are really good friends. Wonder if that played a small part in this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I ❤️ Knox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Imagine working you way up the depth chart, balling out, and signing a big contract to be the TE1 of a top offense for years to come. Then the very next offseason your team trades up in the 1st round to select another tight end, and the offseason after that, they're knocking on your day asking you to take a paycut. Tough business. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) Solid TE 2 restructures his deal to help the team out probably in the normal way, thread full of people crapping on him and asking if it's a pay cut even though nobody really does that ever. Edited March 11 by Warcodered 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 It's amazing how cut throat it gets when you are in the bottom of the league with positive cap space. And you had such a bad group of contract signings of just of a few players. Von Miller's contract is really coming to fruition on its detriment and negative effect on this team. I still think this VM contract was the worst FA signing in Bills history. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 So Knox this year was. 4.91M Base 1.4M Signing Bonus 5M Roster Bonus. I am guessing that Roster Bonus is the place they reworked. Though maybe it was a tear up and redo of the contract (doubt it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, Toyo321 said: It's amazing how cut throat it gets when you are in the bottom of the league with positive cap space. And you had such a bad group of contract signings of just of a few players. Von Miller's contract is really coming to fruition on its detriment and negative effect on this team. I still think this VM contract was the worst FA signing in Bills history. If he had not been injured would you have same opinion @Nostradamus? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 6 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Thata boy Dawson!! Dare I say.....can Diggs rework his deal? You know darn well that’s not happening 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Hey Stefon Diggs, Brandon Beane would like to ask you a question? 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 3 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Solid TE 2 restructures his deal to help the team out probably in the normal way, thread full of people crapping on him and asking if it's a pay cut even though nobody really does that ever. It is a paycut. Players do it all the time if they know the alternative is a release and the risk of having to accept an even worse salary. And typically I am against the paycuts Beane gives out, historically they have still ended up being a waste of money. But in this case it was the only realistic means of saving money on Knox's contract without tying up more future money. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 They should have "reworked" it by trading him 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 6 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I was told a couple weeks ago Knox was approached about a paycut. I'm not sure what leverage we used considering his dead money hit would have been higher than his normal cap hit, but I'm glad to see he accepted the paycut. Perhaps we threatened a release with a post-6/1 designation? Glad to see Beane being especially ruthless this offseason. It is a necessary change. I don't know, as we have not seen the money, is that Beane was able to layer incentives on Von's deal. Due to the way that incentives are structured, "not likely to be earned" can mean a modest improvement over that happened the previous year and do not count until next years cap. So "play 15 games", "500 receiving yards", "6 TD" (all numbers he hit in 2022) would apply and could mean he gets even more take home money if he bets on himself. Of course, if he is just a dud and gets outstripped by Kincaid he gets injured he gets none of it. If that's Beane's strategy to get out of bad contact years for underperforming players, it's kind of genius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 6 minutes ago, Logic said: Imagine working you way up the depth chart, balling out, and signing a big contract to be the TE1 of a top offense for years to come. Then the very next offseason your team trades up in the 1st round to select another tight end, and the offseason after that, they're knocking on your day asking you to take a paycut. Tough business. Now imagine you’re the next guy they approach about signing a contract with them. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 i swear someone who knew something said something on here about this last week 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 7 minutes ago, Punching Bag said: If he had not been injured would you have same opinion @Nostradamus? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 At this point I am more surprised that we seen Von and Knox cuts rather than extensions on Dawkins and TJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 17 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I was told a couple weeks ago Knox was approached about a paycut. I'm not sure what leverage we used considering his dead money hit would have been higher than his normal cap hit, but I'm glad to see he accepted the paycut. Perhaps we threatened a release with a post-6/1 designation? Glad to see Beane being especially ruthless this offseason. It is a necessary change. that's what i was wondering when it was mentioned. how and why and all of that was it possible? i can only fathom the depth of WR's in the draft as well as some top end TE's made this happen. a post June 1 release would have been difficult for both sides, regardless. i cannot believe he did this but appreciate it. it was hard to believe at the time. I would love a scenario where the Bills have Brock Bowers available in the first and see what they do, regardless. the next two rumors i heard will be interesting to see if they come out - two restructures. one could be surprising to most @ LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 12 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Solid TE 2 restructures his deal to help the team out probably in the normal way, thread full of people crapping on him and asking if it's a pay cut even though nobody really does that ever. Ever…..one of our players doing exactly that last week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 9 minutes ago, Billl said: Now imagine you’re the next guy they approach about signing a contract with them. I'm pretty sure we did this with Mitch Morse a few years back. I don't think there's ever been a concern amongst players about Brandon Beane not being someone they respect with communication/negotiation etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 5 minutes ago, boyst said: the next two rumors i heard will be interesting to see if they come out - two restructures. one could be surprising to most @ LB. Does it rhyme with Katt Silano? 🤔 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I don’t really understand Von and Knox taking pay cuts. What leverage do the Bills have in this scenarios? They can’t really cut these guys due to the dead cap. Why do the players say yes? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, DapperCam said: I don’t really understand Von and Knox taking pay cuts. What leverage do the Bills have in this scenarios? They can’t really cut these guys due to the dead cap. Why do the players say yes? Culture 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummernut74 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, DapperCam said: I don’t really understand Von and Knox taking pay cuts. What leverage do the Bills have in this scenarios? They can’t really cut these guys due to the dead cap. Why do the players say yes? Because they are true team players that want to WIN in Buffalo, and have a unique set of principles 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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