Von Miller faces arrest in domestic violence case in Dallas

[mrags]

5 minutes ago, birdo67 said:

Von wears #40.

Let's end this at page 40.

But he used to where 58. And if you add up the numbers 40 and 58 you get 98. But to top it off you have a $120m contract. So that would be 218. But then add the felony 3d charge in Texas and you have a sentence of 2-10 years. Since he didn’t assault her with a deadly weapon I’m gonna go on the lower side. So let’s call it 220. That’s where this thread will end. 220 pages. 

[Mr. Wonderful]

For those passing judgement, shame on you. Wait to the facts come out! 

[Bruffalo]

20 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

It's really hard to win a case without a cooperating victim. Usually DAs like to win, and only take on cases they are pretty sure they will win.

A few years ago a the husband of a coworker walked into the school we both worked at, and started screaming for her. 
 

When she came out into the hallway he immediately grabbed her and tried to force her to come with him. When she refused, he began to choke her out, in public. Two custodians (who happened to also be football coaches) and I forcibly removed him from the premises. He luckily didn’t fight back much, I think he realized that the odds weren’t with him.

 

She refused to cooperate with the school resource officer who showed up soon after, even though it was blatantly public.

[mrags]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Wonderful said:

For those passing judgement, shame on you. Wait to the facts come out! 

Hey. Don’t ruin our hopes and dreams that we can get out of this contract. 

[ToGoGo]

20 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

 

What do you think he can say from his side that will make things more favorable? Unless the reported details have been fabricated, I think he's screwed. The police were there immediately after the incident and collected evidence.

His only chance is the girlfriend refusing to cooperate and using his high priced lawyers and influence to get some sort of plea bargain.

Guilty til proven innocent. Got it. 
 

All police reports are always 100% accurate, even when only 1 side of the story was told. Makes sense. 

 

And clearly we all know their relationship and what it consisted of. 

[Tuco]

8 hours ago, muppy said:

@Tuco  thoughts mate?

All depends on how it's written. But if he gets suspended that's one thing that the CBA covers. Other written stuff can be included. I've already read where they could get out of his guaranteed salary next year but the prorated bonus amounts can be different because they cover more than one year. Lots of variables right now and too early to really know.

[Doc Brown]

37 minutes ago, Mr. Wonderful said:

For those passing judgement, shame on you. Wait to the facts come out! 

Hopefully they come out sooner than him getting pressure on the QB this season.

[longtimebillsfan]

15 hours ago, McBean said:

Between the HC, record, salary cap situation, and now this, this organization is a huge mess.

 

Clean house from the top all the way down to the janitor.

 

I’m gonna need a new username. 

Not too much of an over  reaction.

 

Fire everybody.  Let's go back  to 2010.  Those were the good old days. 

 

Yea, right.

Edited December 1, 2023 by longtimebillsfan

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, ToGoGo said:

The police report is one sided and makes it seem like Miller snapped for no reason. He’s not Richie Incognito. There’s a side to this story that’s missing.

 

I'm not saying Miller did what is alleged.  Clearly the police and prosecutors believe there is evidence, since he's been charged and has turned himself in. Clearly sometimes the police and prosecutors are wrong and if they aren't, it's difficult to prosecute a crime if the victim won't cooperate.  So whether a prosecution will result is still unknown.

 

I probably shouldn't go here, but assuming the actions took place as alleged, exactly what reasons or "side" do you believe might justify putting your hands around the neck of/strangling your pregnant partner?

 

 

1 hour ago, Bruffalo said:

A few years ago a the husband of a coworker walked into the school we both worked at, and started screaming for her. 
 

When she came out into the hallway he immediately grabbed her and tried to force her to come with him. When she refused, he began to choke her out, in public. Two custodians (who happened to also be football coaches) and I forcibly removed him from the premises. He luckily didn’t fight back much, I think he realized that the odds weren’t with him.

 

She refused to cooperate with the school resource officer who showed up soon after, even though it was blatantly public.

 

Technically, if there is solid evidence (like witness testimony from you and the two custodians), the prosecutor can file charges without the victim's cooperation. 

How often they do, can't say.

Edited December 1, 2023 by Beck Water

[stevestojan]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

But he used to where 58. And if you add up the numbers 40 and 58 you get 98. But to top it off you have a $120m contract. So that would be 218. But then add the felony 3d charge in Texas and you have a sentence of 2-10 years. Since he didn’t assault her with a deadly weapon I’m gonna go on the lower side. So let’s call it 220. That’s where this thread will end. 220 pages. 

ground up and in the freezer

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Tuco said:

All depends on how it's written. But if he gets suspended that's one thing that the CBA covers. Other written stuff can be included. I've already read where they could get out of his guaranteed salary next year but the prorated bonus amounts can be different because they cover more than one year. Lots of variables right now and too early to really know.

 

One point I alluded to earlier is that the NFL's DV policy requires that the league conduct their own investigation, and the player be suspended if they believe DV occurred even if there isn't a criminal case.    Greg Hardy (Carolina DE) jury trial for his DV case fell apart and was dismissed when the victim disappeared (allegedly after receiving a large settlement from Hardy).

 

The NFL investigated and suspended him for 10 games anyway (appealed and reduced to 4)

Tyrel Dodson DV charge was dropped to misdemeanor disorderly conduct/disruptive behavior - he entered a diversion program and had the charges expunged, but the league investigation suspended him 6 games anyway.

[chongli]

4 hours ago, Irv said:

Another reason to ditch the bye week. NFLPA f'd up. 

 

  

 

But it could have happened in the off-season too.

[Doc Brown]

Why file the police report then?

 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

Can't he be a normal guy and just fly to Brazil and take in a Tay Tay concert.

 

Sheeesh!

 

/smdh...

 

[reddogblitz]

9 hours ago, Reks Ryan said:

His rookie year, 2018 the Bills did not make the playoffs.    Allen was the main starter, strarted 11 out of 16 games.   He played in 12.

 

You know you're right. I didn't count that year cuz it was total purge and reload year and I didn't realize Josh started/played in that many games.  I remember going to two games that year. The Bears when Nasty Nate started and the Cheats when Derek Anderson started.  Then there was also the legendary Barkley start vs the Jets.  That was an ugly but necessary season that catapulted us into 4 straight playoff seasons, hopefully 5 or more.

[JoPoy88]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Why file the police report then?

 

 

Well obviously the two of them have talked since the incident and this is what she’s saying now, but the police are required to file a report once responding to a call and seeing evidence (her bruises, etc.) of a possible crime. So she didn’t file anything, the cops did.

Edited December 1, 2023 by JoPoy88

[Doc Brown]

53 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Well obviously the two of them have talked since the incident and this is what she’s saying now, but the police are required to file a report once responding to a call and seeing evidence (her bruises, etc.) of a possible crime. So she didn’t file anything, the cops did.

True.  She called the police so her comments don't exactly align.  Who knows what happened between now and when she made those comments. 

[Behindenemylines]

Wonder what this does to his aspirations to become a General Manager or HC?

 

 

[Blackbeard]

6 hours ago, Mr. Wonderful said:

For those passing judgement, shame on you. Wait to the facts come out! 

I hear you.  I worked as a defense attorney for years.  
 

unless she completely lied about the WHOLE thing though, he’s cooked.  And rightfully so.  The report is disturbing. 
 

More times than not, where there is smoke there is definitely fire. 
 

At this point I hope this clears a massive amount of cap. 

[DonInBuffalo]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

True.  She called the police so her comments don't exactly align.  Who knows what happened between now and when she made those comments. 

She probably figured/found out how much money it would cost her and her children if he went to jail and never played football again.

[YoloinOhio]

Common bye week activities 

[Bill from NYC]

In a vast majority of domestic assault cases, alcohol, drugs, or a combination of both are involved. Where am I going with this? I am guessing that the future is not bright for Von.

 

If it turns out that he is found guilty in court, will Pegula be willing to keep him? The NFL forced a name change from Redskins because it was deemed offensive. OK, is beating up a pregnant woman just a bit worse?  Again, if he is found guilty, the league will surely face pressure from women's groups, as well as other concerned citizens to punish him.

 

That said, the woman will almost certainly be bought off. It probably has already started. You all have seen this time and again with NFL players and other rich athletes, actors, etc.. Still, it is hard for me to believe that Von will come out of this unscathed. Sadly, the Bills might be hurt as well (salary cap, distractions, etc.).

I don't know the procedure for drug testing, nor do I know if suspended players count against the salary cap, but; if I owned the team I would want a drug test done immediately, assuming that I would be allowed to have him tested.

 

My main concern is for the woman and her baby. I don't think that she injured herself. My concern for Miller at this point ranges from slim to none.

[Beast]

4 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

In a vast majority of domestic assault cases, alcohol, drugs, or a combination of both are involved. Where am I going with this? I am guessing that the future is not bright for Von.

 

If it turns out that he is found guilty in court, will Pegula be willing to keep him? The NFL forced a name change from Redskins because it was deemed offensive. OK, is beating up a pregnant woman just a bit worse?  Again, if he is found guilty, the league will surely face pressure from women's groups, as well as other concerned citizens to punish him.

 

That said, the woman will almost certainly be bought off. It probably has already started. You all have seen this time and again with NFL players and other rich athletes, actors, etc.. Still, it is hard for me to believe that Von will come out of this unscathed. Sadly, the Bills might be hurt as well (salary cap, distractions, etc.).

I don't know the procedure for drug testing, nor do I know if suspended players count against the salary cap, but; if I owned the team I would want a drug test done immediately, assuming that I would be allowed to have him tested.

 

My main concern is for the woman and her baby. I don't think that she injured herself. My concern for Miller at this point ranges from slim to none.

Not disagreeing with you at all however Miller, if this went to trial, probably won’t see that for over a year. By then he wouldn’t be with the team anyway.

[Bill from NYC]

1 minute ago, Beast said:

Not disagreeing with you at all however Miller, if this went to trial, probably won’t see that for over a year. By then he wouldn’t be with the team anyway.

True, and I would put the chances of this case going to trial would be somewhere around 1%.

[Draconator]

25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Common bye week activities 

First to say, Yolo sighting. Welcome! 

[PBF81]

13 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

That said, the woman will almost certainly be bought off. It probably has already started. You all have seen this time and again with NFL players and other rich athletes, actors, etc.. Still, it is hard for me to believe that Von will come out of this unscathed. Sadly, the Bills might be hurt as well (salary cap, distractions, etc.).

 https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/alleged-victim-in-von-miller-case-now-claims-there-was-no-assault

 

Here's an interesting piece on how it relates to the contract situation.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/von-miller-domestic-violence-allegation-jeopardizes-more-than-17-million-in-2024-guarantees

 

 

[Bills!Win!]

How was Miller able to afford $5000 bond? We barely pay him

[boyst]

9 hours ago, White Linen said:

 

My 18 year old son was held at gun point at a gas station in Charlotte NC. They stole his truck and smashed it into a convenient store attempting to shoot open the ATM machine.   All captured on video.  They were caught and arrested.  Prosecutor dropped the case.  

were they over 18? the kids who killed one of my heifers are under 18 and will not face felony animal cruelty because they're 17. they'll get nothing.

 

prosecutors avoid a lot of charges against some folks because it causes disparity amongst crime rates. no joke.

[mjt328]

6 hours ago, Beck Water said:

One point I alluded to earlier is that the NFL's DV policy requires that the league conduct their own investigation, and the player be suspended if they believe DV occurred even if there isn't a criminal case.    Greg Hardy (Carolina DE) jury trial for his DV case fell apart and was dismissed when the victim disappeared (allegedly after receiving a large settlement from Hardy).

 

The NFL investigated and suspended him for 10 games anyway (appealed and reduced to 4)

Tyrel Dodson DV charge was dropped to misdemeanor disorderly conduct/disruptive behavior - he entered a diversion program and had the charges expunged, but the league investigation suspended him 6 games anyway.

 

Yes.  The NFL and the Buffalo Bills should temporarily suspend Miller and then conduct their own investigation into the matter, to determine whether the allegations are true.

 

There are reasons the woman may end up dropping the charges (money, security, fear), which have nothing to do with whether Von Miller actually committed the assault or not.

 

Bottom line... if Miller did what he's being charged with, I don't want him playing another down for the team.

 

[Bob Jones]

5 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Can't he be a normal guy and just fly to Brazil and take in a Tay Tay concert.

 

Sheeesh!

 

/smdh...

 

Have you seen photos of his significant other? Staying with her for a week, locked up in a luxury apartment, seems like it would be WAY better than going to see a narcissistic skank. 😉 But who knows, maybe the shine has worn off….they’ve been together 7 years now.

[PBF81]

7 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Yes.  The NFL and the Buffalo Bills should temporarily suspend Miller and then conduct their own investigation into the matter, to determine whether the allegations are true.

 

There are reasons the woman may end up dropping the charges (money, security, fear), which have nothing to do with whether Von Miller actually committed the assault or not.

 

Bottom line... if Miller did what he's being charged with, I don't want him playing another down for the team.

 

 

Apparently, if he is suspended by the league, the team can void his contract.  

 

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

52 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/alleged-victim-in-von-miller-case-now-claims-there-was-no-assault

 

Here's an interesting piece on how it relates to the contract situation.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/von-miller-domestic-violence-allegation-jeopardizes-more-than-17-million-in-2024-guarantees

 

 

The evidence is there for a suspension. Goodell doesn't need a trial to suspend him. The girl didn't just decide to call the cops and they show up and her have bruising on her neck.

 

He has to go.

[IBTG81]

Girlfriend called a local radio station and said Miller didn’t assault her and nothing happened. 
 

So yeah, she changed her mind already. 

[TampaBillsJunkie]

We should hire the pregnant GF as a Defensive Assistant.  She got more out of Von with her mouth than mCDermott did with his claps.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

6 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Why file the police report then?

 

 

Strange turn. Why text a TV station? 

5 minutes ago, IBTG81 said:

Girlfriend called a local radio station and said Miller didn’t assault her and nothing happened. 
 

So yeah, she changed her mind already. 

It was via text apparently, very strange.

[IBTG81]

1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Strange turn. Why text a TV station? 

It was via text apparently, very strange.

Ah, ok. I heard it on XM right now. 

[BlazinBill]

Sadly this will indeed go away- it always does even when it doesn't - Tyrek Hill, AP, Mixon - this ***** always happens and the NFL turns the cheek- why because again they are good a playing a sport - 

I'm not saying I even know what happened and we should wait for things to come to light. What I am saying is these guys are treated like royalty at a very young age and every one gives them anything they want to get a piece of it. Should we really be surprised when this stuff continues to happen- it took an uppercut in an elevator for attention to be brought to things 

[Blackbeard]

So the police just made the whole story up, right? 
 

If she’s now covering up for him, she should be investigated.  

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, BlazinBill said:

Sadly this will indeed go away- it always does even when it doesn't - Tyrek Hill, AP, Mixon - this ***** always happens and the NFL turns the cheek- why because again they are good a playing a sport - 

I'm not saying I even know what happened and we should wait for things to come to light. What I am saying is these guys are treated like royalty at a very young age and every one gives them anything they want to get a piece of it. Should we really be surprised when this stuff continues to happen- it took an uppercut in an elevator for attention to be brought to things 

What do you think should happen?

 

His name is ruined now.  Half this fanbase & the NFL fanbase, for that matter, will never not call him a woman beater.  
 

She recanted her story and/or now states everyone blew it out of proportion. 
 

What is the league supposed to do with that?

 

Edited December 1, 2023 by SCBills

[muppy]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Common bye week activities 

Lord have Mercy Yolo. If he knew he was prone to violent tendencies against women you would THINK he would have learned by now to just walk away.

 

This is not his first criminal charges rodeo. 

 

What I want to know is what his contract actually says. And then I will tag @Tuco and he will break it down in laymans terms for me 🙂  Lets get to brass tacks here. It may take weeks to get there.

 

🍿

Edited December 1, 2023 by muppy