Always go for it in OT

[DaggersEOD]

As soon as we kicked the FG, the game was over. Never once has our D made the game ending stop. If it has, I can’t recall when. 
 

We have better chance to win going for it on 4th and 10 on our own end of the field, hoping for a walk off TD drive than we would letting our D ever take the field needing a stop.

[QCity]

There is some merit to this. Both defenses were gassed. Allen and Davis weren't on the same page on our OT drive and Philly didn't make that mistake on theirs.

[streetkings01]

Based on this season the defense has made 1 stop against the Giants that should’ve been a DPI. Other than that all our losses consisted of teams driving down the field with a game winning or game tie-ing score!

[NickelCity]

Today was like clockwork. It's a shame. I'll forever be grateful for McDermott for making us a real team again. But it's over. 

[Nextmanup]

Just now, NickelCity said:

Today was like clockwork. It's a shame. I'll forever be grateful for McDermott for making us a real team again. But it's over. 

Time to find the guy who knows how to take a good team and make it a championship team.

 

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, DaggersEOD said:

As soon as we kicked the FG, the game was over. Never once has our D made the game ending stop. If it has, I can’t recall when. 
 

We have better chance to win going for it on 4th and 10 on our own end of the field, hoping for a walk off TD drive than we would letting our D ever take the field needing a stop.

Agreed. As a head coach, McD often loses perspective on the bigger picture, and has more belief in his defense than is warranted. The D played great for stretches. But you have to be blind to not see how the offenses took over late in the game. Neither D was stopping anyone. Have to go for it. 

[Billsturfwars]

1 hour ago, DaggersEOD said:

As soon as we kicked the FG, the game was over. Never once has our D made the game ending stop. If it has, I can’t recall when. 
 

We have better chance to win going for it on 4th and 10 on our own end of the field, hoping for a walk off TD drive than we would letting our D ever take the field needing a stop.

 

I had to bold this, because I can't recall many times either. I'd rather it be a game like Tennessee a few years back when Josh slipped. Better IMO to lose being aggressive then let a team drive the field on your defense and lose the game.

[Lionel Hutz]

That’s the problem with McDermot - he plays to not lose rather than playing to win.

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, DaggersEOD said:

As soon as we kicked the FG, the game was over. Never once has our D made the game ending stop. If it has, I can’t recall when. 
 

We have better chance to win going for it on 4th and 10 on our own end of the field, hoping for a walk off TD drive than we would letting our D ever take the field needing a stop.

 

When we kicked the FG in OT I thought that realistically our best possible outcome was a tie. There was of course a small chance that we would get a turnover, but an Iggles FG or TD was far more likely. If they got a FG there wasn’t going to be any time left to score again, so a tie. 

[BananaB]

I thought once they got over half they should have been in a 4 down offense.  Playoff hopes are slim and a win is much better than a tie. I also had no faith in our D to make any kind of stop at this point. 

[mead107]

Refs would have thrown a flag on the Bills 

 

[NewEra]

McD is 1 for 6 in OT.  Tied for the worst record ever for a HC with minimum of 7 OTs played

[Aussie Joe]

Still can’t believe they kneeled at the end of regulation with 20 secs and a timeout…

 

They lose the OT toss and they never get to see the ball.., been down that road a couple of times 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Aussie Joe

[Bferra13]

Just now, Aussie Joe said:

Still can’t believe they kneeled at the end of regulation with 20 secs abd a timeout…

 

They lose the OT toss and they never get to see the ball.., been down that road a couple of times 

Honestly, this is low on my list of complaints this game. But so many to pick from.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, NickelCity said:

Today was like clockwork. It's a shame. I'll forever be grateful for McDermott for making us a real team again. But it's over. 

I'll forever be not-grateful for Sean wasting 6 years of Josh's career that he'll never get back.  Andy Dalton ended the drought.  Process and Culture was just an empty slogan.  A mission statement with no mission.

[mrags]

7 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'll forever be not-grateful for Sean wasting 6 years of Josh's career that he'll never get back.  Andy Dalton ended the drought.  Process and Culture was just an empty slogan.  A mission statement with no mission.

^——————omg this x1,000,000,000…

[Norcalbillsfan]

5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Still can’t believe they kneeled at the end of regulation with 20 secs and a timeout…

 

They lose the OT toss and they never get to see the ball.., been down that road a couple of times 

 

 

Just blows my mind, you have the most cannon armed player in the league with an elite route runner in diggs with a timeout and 20 seconds... so many people acting like it was a hail Mary situation and a pick could lose the game. You could have ran 3 ***** plays, that's not a hail Mary low probability situation. Just horrible. And that's not the most upsetting thing mcd did tonight.

[SCBills]

3 hours ago, QCity said:

There is some merit to this. Both defenses were gassed. Allen and Davis weren't on the same page on our OT drive and Philly didn't make that mistake on theirs.

“Both defenses were gassed”

 

We ran like 90 something plays on them.  
 

They ran 2/3rds of that on us. 
 

I do agree with the rest of you post though… aside from the fumble that wasn’t a fumble but was a fumble in the Chargers/Ravens game. 
 

Edited November 27, 2023 by SCBills

[ExiledInIllinois]

We made the stop. Caused a fumble and won the game. Unfortunately The League doesn't know what a catch is. Only they decide what it is.

 

Bills won the game. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way for some teams in the League... Especially ones visiting hostile Philly. 

 

How man death threats would that officiating crew get if they called it a catch & fumble???

[ShakAttack]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

McD is 1 for 6 in OT.  Tied for the worst record ever for a HC with minimum of 7 OTs played

It is irritating that this is Allen’s OT record too. Oh  sorry, 0 for 6 with Allen, because in at least a few of those games he did everything humanly possible to win. We NEEDED to get a TD on that first drive today. 
 

Damn shame that Cover 0 essentially beat us in the Denver game, but we couldn’t cash in against Philly.  Cover 0 - to me - is usually a gift in that situation. 

[JerseyBills]

 

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

We made the stop. Caused a fumble and won the game. Unfortunately The League doesn't know what a catch is. Only they decide what it is.

 

Bills won the game. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way for some teams in the League... Especially ones visiting hostile Philly. 

 

How man death threats would that officiating crew get if they called it a catch & fumble???

Facts

Officials were God awful against us in many obvious situations.  

 

[Real McClappy]

Just needed last/late 4th QTR D stops here for W's for possible 5 more wins.

Jets

Pats

Cincy

Denver

Eagles

 

It's inexcusable at this phase and something needs to change.

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Real McClappy

[Dr.Sack]

F it. Just like 13 seconds go for the 2 Point Attempt. Don’t settle for OT. Play to win in regulation. 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Dr.Sack

[stlbills13]

Let's see. Our defense couldn't stop Mac Jones with the game on the line. They barely stopped Tyrod Taylor (with help). They couldn't stop Russell Wilson. Now McDermott thought a gassed defense would stop Jalen Hurts and those WRs. It's arrogance just as much as conservatism

[BillsPride12]

8 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Time to find the guy who knows how to take a good team and make it a championship team.

 

 

I wonder what Phil Jackson is up to these days 

[Magox]

8 hours ago, NickelCity said:

Today was like clockwork. It's a shame. I'll forever be grateful for McDermott for making us a real team again. But it's over. 

This is where I am.

 

We need a proven winner, Belichek is who I’d like.   But Pegula won’t move on from McD 

[Billzgobowlin]

10 hours ago, DaggersEOD said:

As soon as we kicked the FG, the game was over. Never once has our D made the game ending stop. If it has, I can’t recall when. 
 

We have better chance to win going for it on 4th and 10 on our own end of the field, hoping for a walk off TD drive than we would letting our D ever take the field needing a stop.

We all would have been criticizing him if he went for it and missed it.  I think the lack of going for it at the end of regulation though was inexcusable

[DaggersEOD]

9 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

When we kicked the FG in OT I thought that realistically our best possible outcome was a tie. There was of course a small chance that we would get a turnover, but an Iggles FG or TD was far more likely. If they got a FG there wasn’t going to be any time left to score again, so a tie. 

Exactly! Once the D took the field, I just KNEW it would end the same way all the others did. I was praying for a tie. (Feel gross even typing that)

[PromoTheRobot]

11 hours ago, DaggersEOD said:

As soon as we kicked the FG, the game was over. Never once has our D made the game ending stop. If it has, I can’t recall when. 
 

We have better chance to win going for it on 4th and 10 on our own end of the field, hoping for a walk off TD drive than we would letting our D ever take the field needing a stop.

 

I knew the Eagles would win or tie when we left 2 minutes on the clock after we took the lead. Because Sean McDermott always goes prevent in these situations. Same in OT.

[DaggersEOD]

4 hours ago, fuSimon said:

That's it. I feel the officiating crew was intimidated and even a false start against Philly after our 9 or 10 straight was met with "you insulted my mother" outrage. Props to the fans but the refs are a bunch of yella bellies if I do say so myself!

TBH, those refs essentially covered for the Eagles the entire 1st half.
 

Hard to get pumped as a player when you know you will be held to a standard your opponent will be rewarded for not meeting. 

[DaggersEOD]

27 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

We all would have been criticizing him if he went for it and missed it.  I think the lack of going for it at the end of regulation though was inexcusable

My comment started out as sarcastic/sardonic but TBH, if he went for it, didn’t get it, if he said he knew the D wouldn’t hold up and determined this had the best odds of winning, I think we all would’ve nodded our heads, knowing he was probably right. 
 

I know we have 20/20 hindsight here, but as mentioned in previous posts, we’ve had 4 previous examples we could’ve looked at yesterday to make the call. 
 

The only thing our D is consistent with is folding when the game is on the line. 
 

Oh and how many Hail Mary’s do we have to fall victim to!?

8 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I knew the Eagles would win or tie when we left 2 minutes on the clock after we took the lead. Because Sean McDermott always goes prevent in these situations. Same in OT.

I was really hoping we’d run the ball down their throats for a few more plays before punching it in. VERY surprised by that call. 

[JustAnotherBillsFan]

My 14 yr old son was adamant that McDermott should not have called the time out to ice their kicker. Having two timeouts with twenty seconds left would have been a lot better. 

 

At first I thought be quiet kid what do you know. After the kick I thought, we could really use that second timeout. 😁

[DaggersEOD]

1 minute ago, JustAnotherBillsFan said:

My 14 yr old son was adamant that McDermott should not have called the time out to ice their kicker. Having two timeouts with twenty seconds left would have been a lot better. 

 

At first I thought be quiet kid what do you know. After the kick I thought, we could really use that second timeout. 😁

Yeah that would’ve changed the entire circumstances of the situation. Maybe your kid should be the HC 😅👍

[Livinginthepast]

11 hours ago, DaggersEOD said:

As soon as we kicked the FG, the game was over. Never once has our D made the game ending stop. If it has, I can’t recall when. 
 

We have better chance to win going for it on 4th and 10 on our own end of the field, hoping for a walk off TD drive than we would letting our D ever take the field needing a stop.

Absolutely correct! The defense was scored on in almost all (except 1?) drives to finish the game. They were not stopping anybody. Go for the win!

Edited November 27, 2023 by Livinginthepast

[PromoTheRobot]

36 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

 

I was really hoping we’d run the ball down their throats for a few more plays before punching it in. VERY surprised by that call. 

 

Same here but you can't fart around when you need a TD. It's not a switch you can flip on and off.

[Drew21PA]

They were probably looking for it but why doesn’t McDermott just let his guy beat the other team ever.

 

KC let’s Mahomes be himself

 

3 and 7 did work - what the heck let Allen make 7 yards - pass is there throw it if not - run it and get it at all costs

[DaggersEOD]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Same here but you can't fart around when you need a TD. It's not a switch you can flip on and off.

You’re right there. It’s just the feeling I got when we lined up in Shotgun after driving down the field, at will, with the running game. 
 

Their D looked completely gassed. I’d have been happy with a 4th and 1 play to end the game. Win or lose. 

[Bob Jones]

I disagree with the OP here. The better solution is to have excellent playcalling, and excellent execution by your players, so that they just roll in for the game winning TD. The Bills offense was pretty much methodically steam rolling through the Eagles defense yesterday all game, and had Davis & JA17 been on the same page on their final play from scrimmage, the game would have been over. 

 

As I've said in another thread in here, right now, I just don't think the Bills have enough talent (on both sides of the ball) and/or skills to be a championship contender, and they don't execute on offense near as well as the other top teams. They've shown us that over the past couple of months.

[stuvian]

a FG was a Schottenheimer move