Not addressing WR is a fail...

[Straight Hucklebuck]

There were times in this game that Cook is lined up as the 4th WR instead of Harty and that I don't understand. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, CountDorkula said:

No it’s not. 
 

Every team has a Khalil Shakir. 

There is a reason why the Bills consistently rank in the teens when it comes to skill talent.

 

It’s Diggs and JAGS, said that at halftime of the Jets game.

 

There just isn’t much speed on the field. 

[Freddie's Dead]

Remember when we ran McKittrick outta town on a rail?  And when we replaced him with two guys that cost like 4x what it would have taken just to keep him?  Well they have way less FDs and points halfway into the season, and likely won't equal McKittrick's 2022 output by the end of the season. Good times. 

Edited November 6, 2023 by Freddie's Dead

[Jerry Jabber]

6 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

Games stat line.  0. 

 

He needs to sit.  He's a trash second. 

Tee higgins.  Dominant.  

Waddle last week.  Dominant. 

Gabe.  *****. 

 

Start shakir and make sherfield 3. 

I voiced my concerns about Davis in the offseason.

 

“While I’m glad to see the Bills try and address the O-line, I’m not sure they’ve done enough to give Josh good/quality targets. IMO, going in the season with Gabe Davis as the #2 WR is a mistake. Davis underperformed last season as he struggled with drops and contested catches. I feel Davis is a better #3WR than the #2 WR.”

 

So far this season, Davis looks good for one game, then disappears for the next 2-3 games.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Jerry Jabber

[Pete]

Which WR was Beane supposed to add?  This past year draft there was a WR run, and we traded up to draft Kincaid- which is better for our passing game then any WR at that draft slot.

 

FA WRs have sucked the past 3 seasons.  And there are 22 players on offense and defense.  They can’t all be first round picks.

 

So tell me Mr Hindsight where exactly Beane was supposed to add a stud WR.

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, Chugga said:

Agree to disagree.  Well yeah Gabe does suck.  But you can’t have 11 pro bowlers on offense.  What we do have in house right now is good enough to score more than 18 on the bengals.

Ok, let me rephrase this.  Gabe sucks, Dorsey's infantile play calling is killing this team. McD enables it. Our supplemental wrs like Sherfield & Harty are useless & invisible.  We desperately needed Gabe to take pressure off of Diggs getting doubled.  There's absolutely nothing "Big Game" about Gabe. Mediocre route runner and inconsistent hands. No one expects 11 pro bowlers. Just competence.....

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

I figured when Milano went down that was it for the season, he's our best player on D and overcoming that with the other injuries is just too much. Our safeties are old AF, Rapp is terrible, Morse doesn't seem to look great this year, Davis is not a WR#2, he is a JAG...

 

Dorsey and McD have ruined Allen this year - he is not just playing ball, they are in his head and slowing his decision making process down. It's easy to see when he can't decide if he should run or stay in the pocket. He doesn't trust the WRs besides Diggs and now Kincaid...

 

I'm glad we kept our picks becuase we will need them, this team's best chance was  seconds and this version of the Bills is over. Time to tear it down and reboot it. McD will stay, but I don't think he should.

Agree with everything.  If Terry is dumb enough to give McDermott another year, this organization deserves everything it gets. And yes they're screwing with Josh's head.  Breaks my heart to see the best qb in Bills history be completely wasted by idiot coaches.

[LyndonvilleBill]

Been saying it for weeks. Scrap the Harty project and bring up Isabella. Harty is useless,  time to do something different. 

[Jerry Jabber]

22 minutes ago, Pete said:

Which WR was Beane supposed to add?  This past year draft there was a WR run, and we traded up to draft Kincaid- which is better for our passing game then any WR at that draft slot.

 

FA WRs have sucked the past 3 seasons.  And there are 22 players on offense and defense.  They can’t all be first round picks.

 

So tell me Mr Hindsight where exactly Beane was supposed to add a stud WR.

 

 

DeAndre Hopkins. Could have signed him, but instead, used the money on Leonard Floyd. McDermott continually adds to his defense, while not enough assets are devoted to the offense. 

[BananaB]

Everything goes to help the D. It’s been that way for years. Sign some scrub WRs like Beane does with the oline every year. Meanwhile McDs defense keeps getting the picks and the aging vets making their last push.  ***** terrible. Injuries suck but there is still too much invested in it to listen to the excuses. 

[Meatloaf63]

6 hours ago, Chugga said:

Agree to disagree.  Well yeah Gabe does suck.  But you can’t have 11 pro bowlers on offense.  What we do have in house right now is good enough to score more than 18 on the bengals.

Don’t need a pro bowler as wide receiver number two we just need someone who can get separation, fight for the ball, and make a play now and then. Cincinnati has three receivers that can do that plus tight ends.

[Since1981]

(D was fine considering)

As soon as Kincaid shined and took attention. Diggs was 1:1 and TD.

 

Defensive HC is our problem. Filters into everything else. Rotten OC…Should have pulled in a legit WR2….

Edited November 6, 2023 by Since1981

[Pete]

11 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

DeAndre Hopkins. Could have signed him, but instead, used the money on Leonard Floyd. McDermott continually adds to his defense, while not enough assets are devoted to the offense. 

The D is missing 7 starters, and they outplayed the O massively.  The O has zero excuses.  We fortified the line. We added Kincaid.  Shakir( 18 catches on targets), Sheffield, and Hardy are a good 3, 4, 5.  The O was putrid.  Josh had another mediocre game.  Gabe was awful.  And Dorsey is root cause of offensive impotence.  Josh, Gabe, and Dorsey is why we lost to the Bengals

Edited November 6, 2023 by Pete

[Jerry Jabber]

3 minutes ago, Pete said:

The D is missing 7 starters, and they outplayed the O massively.  The O has zero excuses.  We fortified the line. We added Kincaid.  Shakir( 18 catches on targets), Sheffield, and Hardy are a good 3, 4, 5.  The O was putrid.  Josh had another mediocre game.  Gabe was awful.  And Dorsey is root cause of offensive impotence.  Josh, Gabe, and Dorsey is why we lost to the Bengals

No doubt Dorsey is awful and the injuries on Defense have taken their toll, but only having Allen, Diggs and Kincaid as the only guys on offense that can consistently make plays is a huge problem! Bengals have more weapons on offense and kept moving the chains the last night.

[Pete]

4 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

No doubt Dorsey is awful and the injuries on Defense have taken their toll, but only having Allen, Diggs and Kincaid as the only guys on offense that can consistently make plays is a huge problem! Bengals have more weapons on offense and kept moving the chains the last night.

I agree with all of the above.  Maybe Hopkins would of helped, Im not sure.  IMO the Bills need a twitchy, speedy WR that can be a safety valve for Josh, getting open 7 yards at will.  Replace Gabe with twitchy WR, master route runner, that catches everything,

[Roundybout]

We have plenty of solid skill players. Problem is Dorsey couldn’t design an offense for a pee wee football team.

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

We have not overcome losing Sanders, Brown and Beasley. I know they weren’t great but they seemed to get the job done and get open 

Brown and Sanders?? Lol

[dollars 2 donuts]

7 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

Games stat line.  0. 

 

He needs to sit.  He's a trash second. 

Tee higgins.  Dominant.  

Waddle last week.  Dominant. 

Gabe.  *****. 

 

Start shakir and make sherfield 3. 

 

🤣 You silly folks who rip on Gabe are ridiculous. 
 

You all think that the most important things in a WR are great hands, getting open a lot, many catches in big games, coming back for the ball, fighting and contesting for balls, dependability, and being an actual threat opposite the #1 and not just getting balls because teams don’t care or worry about you when in reality the most important thing is…

 

…

 

…boy those are all good things aren’t they? 
 

We need a 1B. Not a glorified 3 (stop it, he is) and lately not even just a 2 anymore it seems.  
 

The number 1 offensive priority on this team should be getting someone who would legit challenge for being The Guy at WR or at least not look awkward when The Real The Guy is standing next to him.

 

 

 

 

[PatsFanNH]

7 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Gabe sucks. The oline is far worse than you think.  Tonight hardly anyone got separation. 

 The issue is IMO running the ball with RB only what 8-10 times a game? You’re hardly keeping the defense honest and they are just pinning their ears back and going for Allen, because he is either throwing it or running it himself.  That’s just not a championship formula. 

[CountDorkula]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

The D is missing 7 starters, and they outplayed the O massively.  The O has zero excuses.  We fortified the line. We added Kincaid.  Shakir( 18 catches on targets), Sheffield, and Hardy are a good 3, 4, 5.  The O was putrid.  Josh had another mediocre game.  Gabe was awful.  And Dorsey is root cause of offensive impotence.  Josh, Gabe, and Dorsey is why we lost to the Bengals

Deonte Harty played 3 snaps last night. 
 

Trent Sheffield has what like 5 catches on the year. 
 

 

like what are you even talking about?

 

they are not fine. They are awful  it’s a problem. 

 

 

[NoSaint]

15 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Remember when we ran McKittrick outta town on a rail?  And when we replaced him with two guys that cost like 4x what it would have taken just to keep him?  Well they have way less FDs and points halfway into the season, and likely won't equal McKittrick's 2022 output by the end of the season. Good times. 

I don’t understand why harty doesn’t have the full mckenzie package and then extra. It makes no sense.

12 hours ago, Jerry Jabber said:

No doubt Dorsey is awful and the injuries on Defense have taken their toll, but only having Allen, Diggs and Kincaid as the only guys on offense that can consistently make plays is a huge problem! Bengals have more weapons on offense and kept moving the chains the last night.

the expectation can’t be Higgins at wr2 to succeed. Dorsey has a lot of tools he isn’t using now. There’s no scheming guys up. It’s just RPO, but not play sequencing or route combinations more complex than giving the defender the high/low choice that resulted in picks vs the jets and Josh/diggs making the miracle throw/catch over a guy last night. 

Edited November 7, 2023 by NoSaint

[Freak-O]

It took half a season for Dorsey to realise he had a new toy in Kincaid and he’s just starting to discover Shakir. I don’t know enough about football to be any kind of authority, but I wouldn’t mind a change at the offensive helm. 

[HappyDays]

39 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

giving the defender the high/low choice that resulted in picks vs the jets and Josh/diggs making the miracle throw/catch over a guy last night. 

 

His INT last night was the same concept. And his first throw against the Pats. We have put that play on tape way too many times. And Kurt Warner after the Jets game in his film review pointed out that in our offense, the "high" WR on that play is not running it to a high enough level to really put the CB in conflict.

 

So CBs are being taught exactly how to defend both areas and muddy Allen's read or bait him into an interception. I feel the way about these plays that I feel about goalline shotgun runs - conceptually I understand that they can be sound plays, but with our personnel more often than not they are killing us. So why does Dorsey continue calling those plays every week?

 

Edited November 6, 2023 by HappyDays

[starrymessenger]

9 hours ago, peterpan said:

DHop worth every penny.  Just sayin 

Sign Tee Higgins in FA.

[Chugga]

2 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Don’t need a pro bowler as wide receiver number two we just need someone who can get separation, fight for the ball, and make a play now and then. Cincinnati has three receivers that can do that plus tight ends.

And Kansas City has 1, and Baltimore has 1 and both are TEs.  Cincinnati has a wealth of talent on their offense but they also haven’t taken the full brunt of Burrow yet.  They took part of it this off season and both of their safeties are gone.  Their WR group won’t survive this offseason and despite their performance last night the Bengals TE room is filled with jags.  It’s totally our fault we made them look good.

 

As much as I want to throw Gabe Davis to the wolves because he’s not good and he gets no separation, at the end of the day it’s a drafting issue.  You can afford to pay 1 great receiving threat.  Any team with multiple elite threats are due to their team investing in the draft.  Dolphins have Tyreek…Waddle not paid yet.  Eagles have Brown…Smith not paid yet.  When it’s come time for the Bills to give Josh Allen weapons they drafted Rousseau, Elam, and finally Kincaid.  And look what happens when we invested in Kincaid.

[Meatloaf63]

28 minutes ago, Chugga said:

And Kansas City has 1, and Baltimore has 1 and both are TEs.  Cincinnati has a wealth of talent on their offense but they also haven’t taken the full brunt of Burrow yet.  They took part of it this off season and both of their safeties are gone.  Their WR group won’t survive this offseason and despite their performance last night the Bengals TE room is filled with jags.  It’s totally our fault we made them look good.

 

As much as I want to throw Gabe Davis to the wolves because he’s not good and he gets no separation, at the end of the day it’s a drafting issue.  You can afford to pay 1 great receiving threat.  Any team with multiple elite threats are due to their team investing in the draft.  Dolphins have Tyreek…Waddle not paid yet.  Eagles have Brown…Smith not paid yet.  When it’s come time for the Bills to give Josh Allen weapons they drafted Rousseau, Elam, and finally Kincaid.  And look what happens when we invested in Kincaid.

And KC’s offense is terrible this year, they are living off a defense that isn’t decimated by injury.

[DanInUticaTampa]

10 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

We don’t know if Elam was playing in Davis jersey. 

post of the weekend 😂

[zow2]

Gabe is not even serviceable at this point.  Forget being a WR2.  He was a one trick pony for a while, just send him on deep pattern and maybe you'd hit one.  But now he's become very easy to cover and he is not on the same page as Allen all too often.

[Jerry Jabber]

5 hours ago, NoSaint said:

I don’t understand why harty doesn’t have the full mckenzie package and then extra. It makes no sense.

the expectation can’t be Higgins at wr2 to succeed. Dorsey has a lot of tools he isn’t using now. There’s no scheming guys up. It’s just RPO, but now play sequencing or route combinations more complex than giving the defender the high/low choice that resulted in picks vs the jets and Josh/diggs making the miracle throw/catch over a guy last night. 

Could’ve signed Hopkins in the offseason, but the Bills decided to use that money on Leonard Floyd. It’s not unreasonable to think teams can have two great WR’s (see Bengals and Dolphins).

[Success]

I was so stoked when we got Von - but that contract is really hurting us now.

 

We could have gotten Adams, we could have gotten Hopkins.  Take your pick.  Miller is contributing absolutely nothing on the field right now, and a real #2 receiver would have had us in a much better position for the stretch run.  

 

I hope Von CAN make it back - but right now, it's looking like that move set us back.

 

[harmonkillebrew]

23 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Could’ve signed Hopkins in the offseason, but the Bills decided to use that money on Leonard Floyd. It’s not unreasonable to think teams can have two great WR’s (see Bengals and Dolphins).

Long-standing pattern. The amount of draft/FA capital we spend on DE at the expense of other positions.

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

Long-standing pattern. The amount of draft/FA capital we spend on DE at the expense of other positions.

Bingo.  Epinesa, Boggie, Groot and Von Miller is an amazing amount of draft/FA capital spent here.  And how many sacks have they produced?

 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Is the problem Gabe can't get open, or for whatever reason Allen rarely looks his way, or the way the plays are drawn up by Dorsey makes it tough for Davis to ever be open?

 

Last week he was involved a lot, this week, not. 

[JerseyBills]

14 hours ago, Chugga said:

Diggs is elite.  Kincaid can ball.  Shakir is sneaky good and if you mask James Cooks weakness in pass protection the guy can get loose.  The offensive line has held up pretty damn well this season.

 

The QB also has gamebreaking talent.  We’ve got the players to put up more than 18 points 

We put up 30+ on a regular basis with alot less talent. It's something internal that needs fixing 

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

14 hours ago, Chugga said:

Diggs is elite.  Kincaid can ball.  Shakir is sneaky good and if you mask James Cooks weakness in pass protection the guy can get loose.  The offensive line has held up pretty damn well this season.

 

The QB also has gamebreaking talent.  We’ve got the players to put up more than 18 points 

Cook is averaging 3 YPC in our 4 losses.  25% of his yards came in 4th quarter blowouts.  He’s always been a complimentary back and this season once again prove it. 

[CincyBillsFan]

4 hours ago, Chugga said:

And Kansas City has 1, and Baltimore has 1 and both are TEs.  Cincinnati has a wealth of talent on their offense but they also haven’t taken the full brunt of Burrow yet.  They took part of it this off season and both of their safeties are gone.  Their WR group won’t survive this offseason and despite their performance last night the Bengals TE room is filled with jags.  It’s totally our fault we made them look good.

 

As much as I want to throw Gabe Davis to the wolves because he’s not good and he gets no separation, at the end of the day it’s a drafting issue.  You can afford to pay 1 great receiving threat.  Any team with multiple elite threats are due to their team investing in the draft.  Dolphins have Tyreek…Waddle not paid yet.  Eagles have Brown…Smith not paid yet.  When it’s come time for the Bills to give Josh Allen weapons they drafted Rousseau, Elam, and finally Kincaid.  And look what happens when we invested in Kincaid.

KC & Baltimore have a better O line and better RB's. The Eagles have a much better O line and running game.  In the absence of a running game and an O line that plays poorly having a weak WR group is a big problem.

 

 

 

 

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Could’ve signed Hopkins in the offseason, but the Bills decided to use that money on Leonard Floyd. It’s not unreasonable to think teams can have two great WR’s (see Bengals and Dolphins).

I agree. 
 

though I think when hopkins turned them down they went to Floyd as best available FA at an impact position they could afford 

[ngbills]

No Hopkins but-

 

Harty...

Hines...

Too many defensive players to list

Why do they have Ty Johnson returning kicks when we invest so much into special teams? 

 

[Hebert19]

15 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Gabe sucks. The oline is far worse than you think.  Tonight hardly anyone got separation. 

And yes.  Oline isn't great. Especially run blocking.  Oof

18 minutes ago, ngbills said:

No Hopkins but-

 

Harty...

Hines...

Too many defensive players to list

Why do they have Ty Johnson returning kicks when we invest so much into special teams? 

 

Daboll was able to make McKenzie a very solid player at like 2M per year.  We spent like 10M to try and replicate that and failed. 

[jkeerie]

16 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

Games stat line.  0. 

 

He needs to sit.  He's a trash second. 

Tee higgins.  Dominant.  

Waddle last week.  Dominant. 

Gabe.  *****. 

 

Start shakir and make sherfield 3. 

I actually agree with this.  Gabe reminds me of McKenzie.  McKenzie had flashes in certain games versus certain teams...NE and Detroit.  Then he was good maybe for a 6 yarder on occasion.  (The difference is that McKenzie ran his mouth a lot to reporters which is never helpful.)   To me Gabe hasn't earned the right to be on that field as the number 2 WR.  Shakir has and clearly Josh is trusting Shakir more and more.