GreggTX Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) Elam drew a pass interference penalty early on, but I hardly noticed him after thar, though I did see him on the field several times. Is he starting to turn it around or were the Giants just inept? Edited October 16, 2023 by GreggTX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just to note that the end zone PI prevented a TD, and the Giants walked away with zero points. 12 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, GreggTX said: Elam drew a pass interference penalty early on, but I hardly noticed him after thar, though I did see him on the field several times. Is he starting to turn it around or were the Giants just inept?  I'm sure he was targeted as the nearest defender a few times, but we played pretty soft in zone. I saw him in there making some tackles in run support.   End of the day - he played every snap and we allowed 9 points so he couldn't have been that bad.  11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I was happy to see that he was step for step w/ the receiver on one of the long pass attempts they had near the end. Like you said, I didn't notice him otherwise, which is probably good.  3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Just to note that the end zone PI prevented a TD, and the Giants walked away with zero points.  Its a good call, but if tyrod throws elsewhere they probably don't throw a flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:  Its a good call, but if tyrod throws elsewhere they probably don't throw a flag. It was definitely PI. Sometimes PI is the right thing to do. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, dave mcbride said: It was definitely PI. Sometimes PI is the right thing to do.  Been there. He bit on the back line in, and wouldve been burned on the double move. Everything looked fine contact wise til he turned him.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I see Elam getting bashed today on social media.  He didn’t stick out to me as playing poorly.  6 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Quick, name the receivers on the Giants besides Waller. The Giants probably have the worst receivers in the league 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Ehh. So hard to tell. The Giants weren’t even running an offense with that OL.  I feel like we should’ve been tighter in coverage sometimes to force Taylor to hold the ball. But if we did get tighter Taylor was just throwing the quick go route. I don’t know if we can grade that performance.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I see Elam getting bashed today on social media.  He didn’t stick out to me as playing poorly.  He gave up a good gain early but other than that I didn’t notice him much. Played decent enough imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerx Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Quick, name the receivers on the Giants besides Waller. The Giants probably have the worst receivers in the league  Iasaih Hodgins, I've been told on this board many times that he's amazing and we shouldn't have let him go 4 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 He played decent. He should get significant playing time in the future even with Jackson returning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 14 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Quick, name the receivers on the Giants besides Waller. The Giants probably have the worst receivers in the league Isiah Hodgins!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!  Future league MVP! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Quick, name the receivers on the Giants besides Waller. The Giants probably have the worst receivers in the league How did he do to you? I think that was the question. Let me check. Yep, that was the question alright.  2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 IMO he was OK. Wasnt great, wasnt the dumpster fire he was in London.  Though Nothing with his play screamed to me We dont need to look into this position at the Deadline. So my priorities for the deadline still remain  CB WR DT 1 Tech  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Collinsworthless made a point to say the Giants were picking on him as the weak link so I'm sure you'll see that repeated here today some.  In reality he gave up a couple plays and he made a couple plays. He looked very much like a CB that is young and hasn't seen much playtime.  The coverage on the deep ball was very good...but the play he made that stuck out to me was very late in the game. On the last drive Taylor completed a pass to the right side. He made an excellent tackle that prevented the WR from getting out of bounds and stopping the clock. Thought that showed some real good awareness. 8 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I've still yet to see him turn around and play a ball this year...  Maybe ever?  Can't recall specifically last year, but this year I've yet to see him to do so, going back to preseason. If he's trailing in coverage, he's probably drawing a flag. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Elam had a couple really solid tackles. One of them was late in the game and kept the clock running.  However, in coverage, he was pretty bad again.  You just didn’t notice him much because… well… Tyrod Taylor. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Looks to me like a young inexperienced player with ability that needs more time to develop. Â 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 26 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: It was definitely PI. Sometimes PI is the right thing to do. Â Yeah, corners will always be extra handsy in the EZ with the clock running down, exactly as they should be. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Einstein said: Elam had a couple really solid tackles. One of them was late in the game and kept the clock running.  However, in coverage, he was pretty bad again.  You just didn’t notice him much because… well… Tyrod Taylor. How was he bad in coverage?  For the two completions I saw him give up he was in the receiver’s hip pocket.  I think he allowed 3 total completions in coverage, but I’m not 100% sure.  Both were just excellent passes, IMO.  Dropped right in the bucket.  What did you notice that I didn’t? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 29 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Quick, name the receivers on the Giants besides Waller. The Giants probably have the worst receivers in the league Wandale Robinson? Isiah Hodgins? Jalin Hyatt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 30 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Quick, name the receivers on the Giants besides Waller. The Giants probably have the worst receivers in the league Wan’Dale Robinson killed us last night but that’s about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: How was he bad in coverage?  For the two completions I saw him give up he was in the receiver’s hip pocket.  When analyzing a player you can’t just look at what he does when the ball goes his way.  Especially when the opposing QB is not very good.  Watch him on every single play. He plays his leverage wrong at least 30% of the time, and he gets turned around very easily by double moves. There were several plays last night where he was straight up beaten with speed, but thankfully Tyrod is Tyrod and didn’t throw. A better QB would have picked on him over and over and over again.  He had some good moments too, but it was an extremely demoralizing performance once again considering who the Giants have at WR. I mean, we are talking about some of the worst starting WR’s in the NFL and he played below average in coverage.  Oh and on the longest run of the game (30-some yards), this was Elam. He plays angles so so so poorly sometimes and is easily blocked.  Edited October 16, 2023 by Einstein 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, Simon said:  Yeah, corners will always be extra handsy in the EZ with the clock running down, exactly as they should be. This is pretty entertaining and absolutely true! https://www.nbcsports.com/watch/nfl/profootballtalk/should-giants-have-run-on-final-play-vs-bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Hard to really grade him against that passing offense.   That said, both Benford and Elam gave up the same deep fade and only one is getting roasted for it.  Both also made good plays in coverage late. Benford on the pass break up and Elam was stride for stride on a deep ball late.  Elam had the penalty in the end zone, but also made a quick close/tackle to keep the clock running and keep them short of a first down.   Other than that, probably need an All-22 breakdown because Taylor was just throwing short middle of the field routes to nickel & dime us all game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: Hard to really grade him against that passing offense.   That said, both Benford and Elam gave up the same deep fade and only one is getting roasted for it.  Both also made good plays in coverage late. Benford on the pass break up and Elam was stride for stride on a deep ball late.  Elam had the penalty in the end zone, but also made a quick close/tackle to keep the clock running and keep them short of a first down.   Other than that, probably need an All-22 breakdown because Taylor was just throwing short middle of the field routes to nickel & dime us all game. Just want to add that Tyrod still has a very, very good deep ball. Easily a top-10 deep ball, if not top-5 among active QBs today. It’s easily his best trait. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoName Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Christian Benford got beat too, but I don't see people bringing it up. When Dane was in the line up this year, he was targeted more than any other Bills defender this year. Kair isn't as bad as people make him out to be. Let's not forget he did a solid job in the playoffs. There are some other big ticket Bills defenders who cost a TON of money who were invisible. I don't see them being mentioned much. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 43 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Quick, name the receivers on the Giants besides Waller. The Giants probably have the worst receivers in the league  Uhh former bill and future hall of famer Isaiah hodgins?!  All kidding aside, robinson doesn't get drafted in the 2nd round if there isn't talent there (i thought he showed some wiggle a few times against us as a solid underneath option). Personally I kinda like Slayton as a player. He's fast, plays bigger than his height, has some solid ball tracking, and can make contested catches. He's a solid #2 WR on a lot of teams. Honestly if Buffalo were to go for a playmaker at the deadline, i wouldn't hate him.   The parris campbell signing and adding Hyatt was supposed to give them some more speed on the outside to stretch teams but, campbell has never been the deep threat type of player with his speed and Hyatt felt a bit one note in his scouting report.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 If the offense wasn't so inept, this wouldn't even be a thread today.... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said: Quick, name the receivers on the Giants besides Waller. The Giants probably have the worst receivers in the league Robinson, Hyatt, and Hodgins are all I know. I wanted Hyatt this draft, Robinson is their gadget guy, and Hodgins looks nothing like he did at the end of last year.  Daniel Jones is also terrible to be fair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I gave Elam a Game Ball for one play, the bomb on the Giant's next to last drive, when he was step for step with their burner. That play (and others) saved the game. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 hours ago, GreggTX said: Elam drew a pass interference penalty early on, but I hardly noticed him after thar, though I did see him on the field several times. Is he starting to turn it around or were the Giants just inept? Â I take nothing away from this game personally given the Giants haven't scored an offensive TD in many moons now lol. Â So hard to say how well our D in general will play against a valid offense because the Giants are pretty inept. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 The thing that strikes me about Elam is how baffling it is he could be a 1st round pick. He doesn't really look like a savvy college player right now. Kinda looks like a guy learning to play defense in high school. I get its a learning curve in the NFL but Elam to me looks like a 5th or 6th round pick at best not a 1st round. These guys should just step in and contribute at a high level right away. That being said, he was ok last night but got burned on that nice pass from Tyrod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Yobogoya! said: I've still yet to see him turn around and play a ball this year...  Maybe ever?  Can't recall specifically last year, but this year I've yet to see him to do so, going back to preseason. If he's trailing in coverage, he's probably drawing a flag. If you're trailing in coverage you're taught not to turn around and play a ball.  How anyone can have an opinion of Elams play as of right now is baffling to me. Without being able to see the A22 and just relying on the broadcast view you all are just making assumptions without any evidence to back them up. Edited October 16, 2023 by HoofHearted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 It was Tyrod. he got beat once at least and got the penalty. All in all, he was not a liability for this game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Elam played good last night imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloButt Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 6 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: Quick, name the receivers on the Giants besides Waller. The Giants probably have the worst receivers in the league Shepard & Hyatt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 6 hours ago, FrenchConnection said: Wandale Robinson? Isiah Hodgins? Jalin Hyatt?  5 hours ago, Kaenon said: Robinson, Hyatt, and Hodgins are all I know. I wanted Hyatt this draft, Robinson is their gadget guy, and Hodgins looks nothing like he did at the end of last year.  Daniel Jones is also terrible to be fair.  50 minutes ago, BuffaloButt said: Shepard & Hyatt Nerds 👻 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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