Low Positive Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, whorlnut said: Beane should have cut his losses before the season started. It’s got to be humiliating for Elam as a first rounder. Give his the benefit of the doubt and trade him to a team that can use him in their scheme. Instead, we held on to him and now his value is plummeting each week as he’s inactive. Bad look all around. I got curious about this. In 2022, only one team played man at a 50% rate (Saints). Most teams play zone 70% of the time. You can't have a player that tips the coverage just be being in the game. Edited September 17, 2023 by FrenchConnection 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said: I wonder if there is something non-football related going on with Kair He and Josh split? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Put the playbook on the plane! Good memory. I think the strong value that culture plays on this administration was really drawn to Elam's sales tactic of bringing his notebook to the combine and he drove it home with that playbook on the plane comment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Cool, we'll need him for the playoffs... Actually, I bet the activate him against the Phins so they can use his speed on those receivers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 beane sucks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: I wish we got paid to complain about the Bills. @newcam2012 would be a very wealthy man. And Airseven would be the richest person in the world.🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: Good memory. I think the strong value that culture plays on this administration was really drawn to Elam's sales tactic of bringing his notebook to the combine and he drove it home with that playbook on the plane comment. which shows the naivete of the bills "braintrust" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 I thought he’d be a good matchup against Adams. ***** me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, Draconator said: Dalton Kincade says hold my beer So does O’Cyrus Torrence. Beane needs to to the same thing next year with his first two picks: OL and WR. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: And Airseven would be the richest person in the world.🤣 Only to be out done by filthy beast 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 26 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Who wants to trade for a player that is bad at playing football? There is always someone that thinks they can fix them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 minute ago, finn said: He's a good player, just can't play zone well, evidently. Yeah. He made a comment this offseason about how he would stay up nights stressing about how he could make plays in a zone defense. And I think mentally he gets in his own head. This quote is telling: "Last year, I’m coming in with all these high expectations. Not only from the media and the outsiders, but myself as well. If I saw somebody make a play, I wanted to make two, three of them. And if the results didn’t come, then I already added more pressure to myself. If I F-ed up, I felt like I’m letting people down. I’m letting the G.M., the head coach, I’m letting myself down, I’m letting my family down... First 3-4 weeks of training camp I was very consistent. Making a lot of plays on the ball. I feel like that first preseason, I got that holding call that I was in great position. I don’t think I should have even touched the receiver." - Elam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Special K said: So does O’Cyrus Torrence. Beane needs to to the same thing next year with his first two picks: OL and WR. What we need to be doing is drafting the best player available and not trying to draft someone that fits into our team We used a second round pick on Cyrus Kuanjo and Cody Ford 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray51 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 He went from put the playbook on the plane to please put me on the plane so I can play at all! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 49 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Beans has nothing to do with him being inactive. That’s all McDermott. should never have drafted a press man CB for zone scheme. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: What we need to be doing is drafting the best player available and not trying to draft someone that fits into our team We used a second round pick on Cyrus Kuanjo and Cody Ford That’s just it…Elam didn’t fit what this team does schematically. It was a head scratcher then and especially now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: Cool, we'll need him for the playoffs... Actually, I bet the activate him against the Phins so they can use his speed on those receivers Good thought. Maybe Cincy as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: I got curious about this. In 2022, only one team played man at a 50% rate (Saints). Most teams play zone 70% of the time. You can't have a player that tips the coverage just be being in the game. That’s probably true, but I’d say a coach like BB got Elam to go with Gonzalez both who excel at man.. the team would then switch to more of a man defense. A good coach plays to his players strengths.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 51 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Beans has nothing to do with him being inactive. That’s all McDermott. Why use a 1st rd pick on him if the HC wasn't in on him? Don't they work in concert with each other during the draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Just because I’m not surprised doesn’t mean it’s not frustrating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 All-rookie team players available when we drafted Elam Karlaftis - DL Linderbaum - OL Devin Lloyd - LB Jalen Pitre - S Ken Walker III - RB 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, Augie said: That would certainly guarantee a CB injury and an immediate need to get him back. no, this would only happen to the Bills…oh, nevermind Just now, BearNorth said: All-rookie team players available when we drafted Elam Karlaftis - DL Linderbaum - OL Devin Lloyd - LB Jalen Pitre - S Ken Walker III - RB just a huge miss and another time Bean went position over BPA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 21 minutes ago, Draconator said: We are not paid to coach the Bills. We only complain about them Scott agreed to pay me. Jokes on you. I make $.00097 pesos on a 10 yr contract. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, Draconator said: Dalton Kincade says hold my beer Kincaid and Torrence. Saying that McBeane draft only defense is such a lazy take. They will draft a DL in the first, they can't help themselves... Kincaid Oh well, now in 2nd round they will draft a LB, they can't help themselves - Torrence 3rd round LB, probably BPA on their board - you see, they had to draft undersized LB, they can't help themselves. Next year - they will only draft defense, they can't help themselves. If they draft WR or OT in the first, move to second. Rinse repeat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, boyst said: Scott agreed to pay me. Jokes on you. I make $.00097 pesos on a 10 yr contract. Who's your agent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: should never have drafted a press man CB for zone scheme. I'm thinking of all the exotic type of defenses you can play having a good press coverage CB. Think of how they used Deion Sanders to shadow the teams best receiver and play zone coverage everywhere else. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Just now, Draconator said: Who's your agent? Rrew Drosenhaus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Seems to be a massive fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 He's just not that good and Benford is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Does seem like the time that needs a run in real games but he's a man matchup right now and that seems to only be a speciality use case. Although he probably won't be up to speed if we chose to use him down the road for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Just now, Solomon Grundy said: I'm thinking of all the exotic type of defenses you can play having a good press coverage CB. Think of how they used Deion Sanders to shadow the teams best receiver and play zone coverage everywhere else. Seriously. He’s a great chess piece. I would hope McD could scheme up something for him. Doesn’t seem like he’s willing to at this point 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Make sure we tank his value as much as possible before we shop him Beane! What value did he really have to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Mildly disappointing but I can’t sign up for the pouting here. All GMs miss. Better to miss on an island position than elsewhere on the roster. Process was sound. It’s the rest of that draft I take issue with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 At this point do they think of making him a safety? Poyer’s days are numbered. I just don’t know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, arcane said: He's just not that good and Benford is. Remember when we would have just gone ahead and played Elam? “He just needs some experience.” We’d have to, because we had so little to work with. The slow start and possible bust hurts, but I’m happy we have some pretty good CB’s ahead of him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: What value did he really have to begin with. My guess is it could have been a somewhat high pick considering he’s still 22, has at least three years of control left, and has that “potential” label. However, I’m concerned a lot of that was wasted by hanging onto him and allowing other teams to see him inactive the first two weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Beast said: At this point do they think of making him a safety? Poyer’s days are numbered. I just don’t know. Wasn’t there talk of moving Benford to safety last year? Looks like Elam needs to figure it out before we can consider that. But maybe in 2024? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 To me it’s strange because I really do consider McDermitt to be the cornerback whisperer. He can take chicken ***** and turn it into chicken dinner. But not this time and it was a high round pick too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Just now, John from Riverside said: To me it’s strange because I really do consider McDermitt to be the cornerback whisperer. He can take chicken ***** and turn it into chicken dinner. But not this time and it was a high round pick too That was my argument for taking another position early on. McD is arguably the best in the league at getting the most out of DBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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