Elam a healthy scratch part deux (now part TRES) (now part QUATRO)

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:

My whole thing is, if Elam is a man coverage guy and we play zone mainly, then why draft him?  Some will say need, but supposedly we dont draft for need. (That's what we're told anyway . We know what they're doing but ownership like to act like the fans are dumb)  anyway I really feel like Elam would be better suited on another team instead of wasting his prime years. He was projected to be a good to great player and for some reason Sean McD...fensiveback can't get him to be even serviceable?  Something doesn't add up to me. 

It was a stupid and desperate pick. We knew Spencer wasn't a great OT and Tyler Smith was sitting right there as our RT.  Now that would've been a need.

[AlfaBill]

4 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Why is this a problem with Elam but when Sauce does it, he gets "rewarded". 

 

Because he has a nickname. Sauce. 

5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

It was a stupid and desperate pick. We knew Spencer wasn't a great OT and Tyler Smith was sitting right there as our RT.  Now that would've been a need.

It’s super easy to criticize with hindsight. I get that this is a discussion board but geez guys. This team has never been this good(minus the SB era) over its 60 odd years in the league. No one on this board is qualified to be a GM. At the end of the day there’s more good than bad with Beane 

Edited September 24, 2023 by AlfaBill

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, AlfaBill said:

Because he has a nickname. Sauce. 

It’s super easy to criticize with hindsight. I get that this is a discussion board but geez guys. This team has never been this good(minus the SB era) over its 60 odd years in the league. No one on this board is qualified to be a GM. At the end of the day there’s more good than bad with Beane 

Elam was a square peg in a round hole. It never required hindsight to pass on him when everyone in the organization knows you run zone coverage. It flat out made no sense and clearly McDermott has failed to convert him. This organization has fully known for over 5 years it's been deficient at OL.  Enjoy your fully healthy scratched BPA.

[AlfaBill]

9 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Elam was a square peg in a round hole. It never required hindsight to pass on him when everyone in the organization knows you run zone coverage. It flat out made no sense and clearly McDermott has failed to convert him. This organization has fully known for over 5 years it's been deficient at OL.  Enjoy your fully healthy scratched BPA.

Perhaps with Elam. But there’s mention of Spencer Brown and other players as well. I’m not saying beane didn’t make an error just that it happens. We could fire beane and rehire the last gm we had. 😜

[Royale with Cheese]

10 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

Perhaps with Elam. But there’s mention of Spencer Brown and other players as well. I’m not saying beane didn’t make an error just that it happens. We could fire beane and rehire the last gm we had. 😜

Understand that he’s over the top negative.  He called Dorsey a moron for running draw plays when we average 7 ypc on them.

[Einstein]

Time to change the thread tile to “Elam is inactive part trois.”

 

Elam is inactive for the Commanders game.

 

 

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Time to change the thread tile to “Elam is inactive part trois.”

 

Elam is inactive for the Commanders game.

 

 

 

I'm just waiting for it to be changed to "Elam traded to Dallas" 

[MarkyMannn]

7 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Time to change the thread tile to “Elam is inactive part trois.”

 

Elam is inactive for the Commanders game.

 

 

 

That's got to ruin your self confidence 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Here is what we know: 

 

We’ve seen him be solid, so at worst this is a ‘good enough’ CB to run with in emergency situations. He’s high upside, but his typical play isn’t up to the standard for whatever reason. 
 

Benford has been ok allowing 3 catches for 44 yards on 6 targets. 
 

Considering what we know Elam on the field will at least hold his own in most coverage situations, hanging on to him in hopes he realizes his potential holds more value in trading him. 
 

I believe in the 3-year rule for labeling a player, but it’s safe to call him a disappointment. 
 

Speculation on whether or not he has position flexibility might be a worth while conversation. 

[whorlnut]

Just now, MarkyMannn said:

That's got to ruin your self confidence 

I think it’s already well past that point. 

[Sierra Foothills]

8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Time to change the thread tile to “Elam is inactive part trois.”

 

Elam is inactive for the Commanders game.

 

 

Two thoughts on this:

 

1) This was expected. Zero injuries coming off a big win... zero reason to change what's been in place since the season's start.

2) There is widespread belief that Elam will make his debut against the Dolphins next week due to their quick passing offense and the belief that press man coverage will be utilized by the Bills.

[maddenboy]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/chargers-make-j-c-jackson-a-healthy-scratch

 

there might be a market for Elam.  

 

one one hand, i wonder if Beane's phone has been ringing at all.  I heard on the radio that the Patriots top 3 corners are out.

 

OTOH, if Dallas hasnt called, and now that JC Jackson might be available, maybe we swap with the Chargres.

 

edit:  except JC's contract is probably too mucho

 

Edited September 24, 2023 by maddenboy

[RiotAct]

he’ll be active next Sunday against the Dolphins

[maddenboy]

Just now, RiotAct said:

he’ll be active next Sunday against the Dolphins

this will be the most telling test.   Because if not, McBeane must just view Elam as emergency depth only.

[Low Positive]

@FireChans Why the switch from French to Spanish?

[Einstein]

21 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

he’ll be active next Sunday against the Dolphins

If he isn't, then we know for sure he is toast.

[mrags]

Waste of a pick. Not that he’s bad. It’s that the FO and coaching staff aren’t on the same page with this guy. He doesn’t and never did fit their scheme so someone had to give and apparently the coach has made that decision that he was a wasted pick. 

[Special K]

I hope the OP knows the French word for 17, because if no one gets hurt, Elam might be inactive all year.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 minutes ago, Special K said:

I hope the OP knows the French word for 17, because if no one gets hurt, Elam might be inactive all year.

Merde!

[Straight Hucklebuck]

WGR said convert him to Safety.

 

He has to be better than Damar Hamlin. 
 

[LyndonvilleBill]

38 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I'm just waiting for it to be changed to "Elam traded to Dallas" 

I might do a trade for Mazi Smith..😉🤣

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 minutes ago, mrags said:

Waste of a pick. Not that he’s bad. It’s that the FO and coaching staff aren’t on the same page with this guy. He doesn’t and never did fit their scheme so someone had to give and apparently the coach has made that decision that he was a wasted pick. 

"I just bought a dump truck!" 😊

🤨 "We live in an apartment building downtown, and you're an accountant!"

[KBeats]

4 minutes ago, Special K said:

I hope the OP knows the French word for 17, because if no one gets hurt, Elam might be inactive all year.

 

Good thing it shouldn't get up to 97, French numbers are weird.

[FireChans]

30 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

@FireChans Why the switch from French to Spanish?

To keep you ***** guessing

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, AlfaBill said:

Perhaps with Elam. But there’s mention of Spencer Brown and other players as well. I’m not saying beane didn’t make an error just that it happens. We could fire beane and rehire the last gm we had. 😜

At least the last GM knew how to evaluate talent😎

[Solomon Grundy]

I'm not going to overreact until I see him listed as a healthy scratch against the Dolphins

[Thrivefourfive]

Week 3 update: Elam is more of a major bust right now than he was in week 2 

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

At least the last GM knew how to evaluate talent😎

So does this one. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

2 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

I might do a trade for Mazi Smith..😉🤣

Elam for Parsons straight up … we’ll even throw a 7th in 🤪

Edited September 24, 2023 by AlCowlingsTaxiService

[BillsUberAlles]

I think they don't trust what he is going to give them on an every play basis yet.

 

McD's D is predicated on all players doing their job all the time...

[Thrivefourfive]

3 minutes ago, BillsUberAlles said:

I think they don't trust what he is going to give them on an every play basis yet.

 

McD's D is predicated on all players doing their job all the time...

I respect that probably correct assumption. And the reality is that is an awful grade for a 1st round pick in year two. If Elam’s status changes in the future, great. Right now, oh my god. 

[BigDingus]

29 minutes ago, BillsUberAlles said:

I think they don't trust what he is going to give them on an every play basis yet.

 

McD's D is predicated on all players doing their job all the time...

 

Isn't that what most coaches want? Don't you always want your players doing their job all the time?

[maddenboy]

somethin just occured to me.  Watching Benford play.

 

Maybe he is just . . . better than Elam.  

 

Maybe Elam is pretty good in practice.  Maybe there's nothing wrong with Elam.

 

Maybe Benford is just that good. 

[Thrivefourfive]

Benford is bigger and tackles better. We’ll see if McD’s D can hide his weaknesses each and every week. 

[Iverwig]

I get Benford and Elam were taken in the same draft so it kind of eases the pain of Elam not playing. However, not having him active for the first 3 games screams a mistake by Beane and CMcD. Elam has shown in the past he can play but if he’s not playing because he is a man corner instead of a zone corner then it was just a stupid pick. If he’s not playing because of poor practice habits then that’s on Elam and I get it. 

[Einstein]

22 minutes ago, maddenboy said:

Maybe Elam is pretty good in practice.  Maybe there's nothing wrong with Elam.

 

 

Nah.

 

This may be the case if Elam was backing Benford up.

 

But he can’t even get a jersey.

[maddenboy]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

 

Nah.

 

This may be the case if Elam was backing Benford up.

 

But he can’t even get a jersey.

conceded

[Your Brown Eye]

Times/games like today would be good for Elam to play during garbage time

[Chaos]

Bills will shock the world when they release the well rested fresh Elam Kracken next week, and watch him completely shut Tyreek Hill down.  

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Chaos said:

Bills will shock the world when they release the well rested fresh Elam Kracken next week, and watch him completely shut Tyreek Hill down.  

 

I kinda think this happens.