Toyo321 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 I think he can do this if he is smarter with the ball in the red-zone, last year he made some really bad throws that were picked off and should have been check down throws instead. This also goes back to what Dorsey does this year to help with this problem by utilizing the backs and TE's more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcJTPRjTldo 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Do you have same double digit int question for Mahomes and Burrows? 4 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Part of Josh is being a gutsy baller and that means attempting SOME ill-advised throws. I don’t want him playing Rodgers ball where he would rather go 3 and out 5 times than throw a pick. That being said, I’m hoping last year’s red zone woes were an aberration in his career. 4 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Chaos said: Do you have same double digit int question for Mahomes and Burrows? Did either of them lead the league in turnovers? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Unfortunately I can see JA17 matching or exceeding the turnover numbers this year if he continues to be reckless and reverts to the hero ball stuff. But behind a suspect oline yet again can't really blame him for trying to carry this team on his shoulders. If this team can ever run the ball effectively it would go a long way in terms of cutting down on the mistakes. 2 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Doesn’t matter to me as long as they score a lot of points. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 If the OL improves and gives Josh time to throw the ball as well as an improved run game, then that should help limit the turnovers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Chaos said: Do you have same double digit int question for Mahomes and Burrows? Nope because they've been to a combined 4 SB's the last 4 years and the consensus top 2 QB's in the league. 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Yeah i think it all comes down to the supporting cast. I'm not going to lay too much blame on Allen when he's running for his life on 90% of plays. If our OL could play at an even JV level, i expect the rest of the story to get better 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 I think he throws 20 this year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 He simply needs to be more careful with the ball. Not only did he lead the league in turnovers (19) last year while only playing 16 games, but take a look at his postseason record. He has 12 turnovers in 8 career postseason games which would equate to 25.5 over a 17 game schedule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Could go either way, you never know, time will tell....having said that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udubalum07 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 If he can keep it around 9 to 10, that would be a good improvement. He is never going to top the charts for least amount of interceptions, but if he is in the top half, that would be an mvp type season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) He threw quite a few directly to defenders. I don’t expect that this season. You can live with the INTs on 50/50 balls, deflections/tips, 3rd and forevers, and Hail Marys, just don’t throw them in the red zone or to a different color jersey. His first step in cutting down on that is finding trust with this new OL. Edited August 23, 2023 by JayBaller10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 OL, Run game support, Dorsey, Josh's pocket awareness Those 4 things need to be better this year if Josh is going to be able to keep those INTs down. Those are 4 things that need significant improvements if we have any chance of going to the SB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Nope because they've been to a combined 4 SB's the last 4 years and the consensus top 2 QB's in the league. Burrow isn’t on Allen’s level and I don’t believe it’s particularly close, the Burrow’s D gives up 10 less points per game than Allen’s in the postseason, it’s a team sport, crazy I know. that being said I do believe Burrow is excellent but just doesn’t have all the tools Mahomes and Allen have. id slot him 4th behind Mahomes Allen Herbert. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, julian said: Burrow isn’t on Allen’s level and I don’t believe it’s particularly close, the Burrow’s D gives up 10 less points per game than Allen’s in the postseason, it’s a team sport, crazy I know. that being said I do believe Burrow is excellent but just doesn’t have all the tools Mahomes and Allen have. id slot him 4th behind Mahomes Allen Herbert. It also helps to have Chase, Higgins, Boyd, and Mixon out there with him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 He'll have better Guard play in front of him this year which should cut back on INT's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 When you throw the ball 500+ times, have 30+ TDs and have under 15 picks, I’m not too worried. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) I was curious, so I looked at all of his INTs from last year: 1. Rams - Bounced off of McKenzie's hands into the defender. Not Allen's fault at all. Targeting McKenzie. 2. Rams - I think Crowder did a lazy/wrong route. He sort of rounded it off at the top, when Allen threw it as if he would cut across. I'll mark this one as miscommunication or neutral. Targeting Crowder 3. Ravens - Tipped at the line. Not Allen's fault (or I guess whatever amount of blame you assign the QB for a pass tipped at the line). Targeting Knox. 4. Steelers.- Just a straight up under throw. Not a bad decision, but inaccurate pass. Targeting Davis. 5. Packers - Threw across his body on the run to the middle of the field. Actually did have Davis open, but an inaccurate pass. Might not have seen the defender. Targeting Davis. 6. Packers - Threw late on a scramble to Davis' feet. I actually think this was supposed to be a throw away, but the DB made a great diving play. Next time throw it out of the back of the endzone Allen. Targeting Davis. 7. Jets - Allen scrambling to this right. It was such a bad throw, I wonder if Knox was supposed to cut back. May have been a miscommunication. Allen missed the throw by 4 yards. Targeting Knox. 8. Jets - No idea what happened here. Allen seemingly just floated one out there. Davis stuck to the sideline, and maybe he was supposed to cut in? It still would have been a contested catch, and I think Allen might not have seen the defender there. I think this one was part miscommunication, part bad decision anyway. Targeting Davis. 9. Vikings - Scrambling on 4th down in the red zone, bad decision to throw into a very small window and Peterson intercepted. I think Allen felt like he "had" to throw it no matter what because it was 4th down anyway and was going to be a turnover on downs. We seem to be allergic to running in this scenario. Targeting Knox I think. 10. Vikings - OT pick, bad decision because he went for it all when we could have just kept picking up first downs. I think this was also a miscommunication with Davis. Allen threw the ball before Davis made his cut. Davis sort of floated into the endzone, and Allen threw it as if he was going to cut across the goalline. Targeting Davis. 11. Lions - Set play where Allen threw an immediate slant on RPO. Linebacker makes a great play to tip and pick. Not sure if this is Allen's fault, or just a great defensive play. Targeting Diggs. 12. Bears - Under threw McKenzie on a deep pass into double coverage. Might have had the TD with a perfect throw, but bad under throw here. Targeting McKenzie. 13. Bears - Cook ran across as a safety valve and stopped running. Allen threw it where he would have been if he kept running. I think this one was a miscommunication with the rookie. Targeting Cook. 14. Pats - Hit while throwing leading to an under throw. Held the ball a touch too long, but these things sort of happen. Targeting Davis. 15. Dolphins - This was a bomb to John Brown. I think this was a miscommunication on where he expected Brown to be. This happens when you bring new receivers in at the end of the year, lol. Was also a nice grab by the DB. Targeting Brown. 16. Dolphins - Somewhat late throw that hits Beasley in the hands and bounces to a Dolphin player. You could argue it was pass interference as well. I don't think this one was really Allen's fault. Targeting Beasley. 17. Bengals - One minute left in a playoff blowout, so who really cares. Threw way late to Beasley. Not a lot of velocity on the pass allowed a DB to get under it. Targeting Beasley. A few interesting conclusions: - Communication issues with the WRs and RBs, especially Gabe Davis. I think these option routes really caused a lot of issues last year. - Only one pick targeting Diggs, and it was really just a great defensive play. Why only one pick targeting our most targeted player? Makes me think that a lot of this is on the receiver. - Throwing late and scrambling. Allen needs to throw it away 10% more when scrambling. Live to fight another down. - Twice as many picks the second half of the season vs the first half. I'm convinced Allen got some sort of injury around halftime of the GB game. His play totally fell off after that. Edited August 23, 2023 by DapperCam 2 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, julian said: Burrow isn’t on Allen’s level and I don’t believe it’s particularly close, the Burrow’s D gives up 10 less points per game than Allen’s in the postseason, it’s a team sport, crazy I know. that being said I do believe Burrow is excellent but just doesn’t have all the tools Mahomes and Allen have. id slot him 4th behind Mahomes Allen Herbert. Burrow has a QB rating of over 100 in the regular season. I like Herbert as much as the next guy, he’s great, but he’s 100% on the outside looking in on the top 3 of Allen/Mahomes/Burrow. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray51 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 I dont really care if he throws 13-17 INTs, if he puts up 5000 total yards and 38+ total TDs. Elite MVP QBs to be around 2.5:1 TDs to Turnovers. Last 3 years, Allen is at 2.1:1. That's strong, but I think 2.5:1 would be the elite MVP style impact. However, Allen is a great QB, who will win games even with his ratios not being perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 I'll say he throws 10 or 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 If Josh is healthy for 17 games he will throw 9-17 interceptions, with the likelihood represented as a gaussian distribution centered at 12 or 13 ints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Honestly, what I have grown to love about Allen is what made me so nervous about him in the first place. Dude is a gunslinger. He is going to have a few of those what the hell was that (or mash all the button plays) where you have no idea what he was thinking (see the Houston playoff game). But he makes up for it with all the amazing other plays he makes. So you just have to accept they will happen and trying to get him to fully change that might take away with what makes him great. 2 minutes ago, Cray51 said: I dont really care if he throws 13-17 INTs, if he puts up 5000 total yards and 38+ total TDs. Elite MVP QBs to be around 2.5:1 TDs to Turnovers. Last 3 years, Allen is at 2.1:1. That's strong, but I think 2.5:1 would be the elite MVP style impact. However, Allen is a great QB, who will win games even with his ratios not being perfect. I’m not as worried but the ints because as you said, they happen. I think people are forgetting about the fumbles with has become an issue. im fine with the occasional crazy int. But he seem to struggle with ball security which also single-handedly cause us the Vikings game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 28 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Nope because they've been to a combined 4 SB's the last 4 years and the consensus top 2 QB's in the league. In other words double digit ints does have a damn thing to do with not going to the super bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 39 minutes ago, FireChans said: Part of Josh is being a gutsy baller and that means attempting SOME ill-advised throws. I don’t want him playing Rodgers ball where he would rather go 3 and out 5 times than throw a pick. That being said, I’m hoping last year’s red zone woes were an aberration in his career. They likely are. It took until game 11 of his 4th season to throw a red zone interception Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 31 minutes ago, Beast said: Doesn’t matter to me as long as they score a lot of points. Same. Dude has put up over 40 total touchdowns in three straight seasons. Has any other quarterback done that? I can live with a higher than average turnover rate when he’s putting in that many points. If he keeps the interceptions to single digits he’ll likely be the favorite to win MVP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, DapperCam said: I was curious, so I looked at all of his INTs from last year: 1. Rams - Bounced off of McKenzie's hands into the defender. Not Allen's fault at all. Targeting McKenzie. 2. Rams - I think Crowder did a lazy/wrong route. He sort of rounded it off at the top, when Allen threw it as if he would cut across. I'll mark this one as miscommunication or neutral. Targeting Crowder 3. Ravens - Tipped at the line. Not Allen's fault (or I guess whatever amount of blame you assign the QB for a pass tipped at the line). Targeting Knox. 4. Steelers.- Just a straight up under throw. Not a bad decision, but inaccurate pass. Targeting Davis. 5. Packers - Threw across his body on the run to the middle of the field. Actually did have Davis open, but an inaccurate pass. Might not have seen the defender. Targeting Davis. 6. Packers - Threw late on a scramble to Davis' feet. I actually think this was supposed to be a throw away, but the DB made a great diving play. Next time throw it out of the back of the endzone Allen. Targeting Davis. 7. Jets - Allen scrambling to this right. It was such a bad throw, I wonder if Knox was supposed to cut back. May have been a miscommunication. Allen missed the throw by 4 yards. Targeting Knox. 8. Jets - No idea what happened here. Allen seemingly just floated one out there. Davis stuck to the sideline, and maybe he was supposed to cut in? It still would have been a contested catch, and I think Allen might not have seen the defender there. I think this one was part miscommunication, part bad decision anyway. Targeting Davis. 9. Vikings - Scrambling on 4th down in the red zone, bad decision to throw into a very small window and Peterson intercepted. I think Allen felt like he "had" to throw it no matter what because it was 4th down anyway and was going to be a turnover on downs. We seem to be allergic to running in this scenario. Targeting Knox I think. 10. Vikings - OT pick, bad decision because he went for it all when we could have just kept picking up first downs. I think this was also a miscommunication with Davis. Allen threw the ball before Davis made his cut. Davis sort of floated into the endzone, and Allen threw it as if he was going to cut across the goalline. Targeting Davis. 11. Lions - Set play where Allen threw an immediate slant on RPO. Linebacker makes a great play to tip and pick. Not sure if this is Allen's fault, or just a great defensive play. Targeting Diggs. 12. Bears - Under threw McKenzie on a deep pass into double coverage. Might have had the TD with a perfect throw, but bad under throw here. Targeting McKenzie. 13. Bears - Cook ran across as a safety valve and stopped running. Allen threw it where he would have been if he kept running. I think this one was a miscommunication with the rookie. Targeting Cook. 14. Pats - Hit while throwing leading to an under throw. Held the ball a touch too long, but these things sort of happen. Targeting Davis. 15. Dolphins - This was a bomb to John Brown. I think this was a miscommunication on where he expected Brown to be. This happens when you bring new receivers in at the end of the year, lol. Was also a nice grab by the DB. Targeting Brown. 16. Dolphins - Somewhat late throw that hits Beasley in the hands and bounces to a Dolphin player. You could argue it was pass interference as well. I don't think this one was really Allen's fault. Targeting Beasley. 17. Bengals - One minute left in a playoff blowout, so who really cares. Threw way late to Beasley. Not a lot of velocity on the pass allowed a DB to get under it. Targeting Beasley. A few interesting conclusions: - Communication issues with the WRs and RBs, especially Gabe Davis. I think these option routes really caused a lot of issues last year. - Only one pick targeting Diggs, and it was really just a great defensive play. Why only one pick targeting our most targeted player? Makes me think that a lot of this is on the receiver. - Throwing late and scrambling. Allen needs to throw it away 10% more when scrambling. Live to fight another down. - Twice as many picks the second half of the season vs the first half. I'm convinced Allen got some sort of injury around halftime of the GB game. His play totally fell off after that. One note on the first minnesota INT, the guy who picked it off was covering Mckenzie but Isaiah ran out of bounds freeing him unexpectedly, which is why allen threw it. He was expecting the defender who undercut the throw to need to stay with Mckenzie Edited August 23, 2023 by arcane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Honestly, given the amount of throwing that he does and his ability to throw in tough positions, 14 to 15 interceptions is not all that bad. HOF QB's like Kelly and Favre routinely had more than that. To me, the fumbles while running are more of a concern and a statistical outlier. Having under ten interceptions in a full season would be amazing for Allen. Even if Allen was to cut his interceptions down to 12 (The INT's that Mahomes and Burrow had last year,) that would be a great leap forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 40 minutes ago, Beast said: Doesn’t matter to me as long as they score a lot of points. This is the correct answer TD is worth 6 points INT is not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Nope because they've been to a combined 4 SB's the last 4 years and the consensus top 2 QB's in the league. Joe burrow is not a consensus top 2 QB Look at his playoff numbers lol Josh Allens numbers dwarf his ... With a less cast of skill guys Edited August 23, 2023 by Buffalo716 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 He’ll most likely be double digits again. He will be playing hero ball again because the front office refuses to get him real help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Joe burrow is not a consensus top 2 QB Look at his playoff numbers lol Josh Allens numbers dwarf his ... With a less cast of skill guys The Burrow playoff mystique is a media creation His defense shows up is all 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 This is a classic example of the coach and players needing to all be on the same page. Last years O seemed to devolve into Josh needs to do everything by the end of the season. If Dorsey calls shorter hitting plays and heavily involves Cooke and Kincaid while simultaneously staying in JA’s ear about taking what is given He has a chance at a record year with YAC making up a much larger percentage of passing yards. If this happens we are a super dangerous team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Most likely yes as almost half, 14 out of 32 starting QBs had double digit interceptions last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, DCofNC said: He’ll most likely be double digits again. He will be playing hero ball again because the front office refuses to get him real help. Confusing comment. Obviously another Gabe Davis and Spencer Brown suck post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, DapperCam said: I was curious, so I looked at all of his INTs from last year: 1. Rams - Bounced off of McKenzie's hands into the defender. Not Allen's fault at all. Targeting McKenzie. 2. Rams - I think Crowder did a lazy/wrong route. He sort of rounded it off at the top, when Allen threw it as if he would cut across. I'll mark this one as miscommunication or neutral. Targeting Crowder 3. Ravens - Tipped at the line. Not Allen's fault (or I guess whatever amount of blame you assign the QB for a pass tipped at the line). Targeting Knox. 4. Steelers.- Just a straight up under throw. Not a bad decision, but inaccurate pass. Targeting Davis. 5. Packers - Threw across his body on the run to the middle of the field. Actually did have Davis open, but an inaccurate pass. Might not have seen the defender. Targeting Davis. 6. Packers - Threw late on a scramble to Davis' feet. I actually think this was supposed to be a throw away, but the DB made a great diving play. Next time throw it out of the back of the endzone Allen. Targeting Davis. 7. Jets - Allen scrambling to this right. It was such a bad throw, I wonder if Knox was supposed to cut back. May have been a miscommunication. Allen missed the throw by 4 yards. Targeting Knox. 8. Jets - No idea what happened here. Allen seemingly just floated one out there. Davis stuck to the sideline, and maybe he was supposed to cut in? It still would have been a contested catch, and I think Allen might not have seen the defender there. I think this one was part miscommunication, part bad decision anyway. Targeting Davis. 9. Vikings - Scrambling on 4th down in the red zone, bad decision to throw into a very small window and Peterson intercepted. I think Allen felt like he "had" to throw it no matter what because it was 4th down anyway and was going to be a turnover on downs. We seem to be allergic to running in this scenario. Targeting Knox I think. 10. Vikings - OT pick, bad decision because he went for it all when we could have just kept picking up first downs. I think this was also a miscommunication with Davis. Allen threw the ball before Davis made his cut. Davis sort of floated into the endzone, and Allen threw it as if he was going to cut across the goalline. Targeting Davis. 11. Lions - Set play where Allen threw an immediate slant on RPO. Linebacker makes a great play to tip and pick. Not sure if this is Allen's fault, or just a great defensive play. Targeting Diggs. 12. Bears - Under threw McKenzie on a deep pass into double coverage. Might have had the TD with a perfect throw, but bad under throw here. Targeting McKenzie. 13. Bears - Cook ran across as a safety valve and stopped running. Allen threw it where he would have been if he kept running. I think this one was a miscommunication with the rookie. Targeting Cook. 14. Pats - Hit while throwing leading to an under throw. Held the ball a touch too long, but these things sort of happen. Targeting Davis. 15. Dolphins - This was a bomb to John Brown. I think this was a miscommunication on where he expected Brown to be. This happens when you bring new receivers in at the end of the year, lol. Was also a nice grab by the DB. Targeting Brown. 16. Dolphins - Somewhat late throw that hits Beasley in the hands and bounces to a Dolphin player. You could argue it was pass interference as well. I don't think this one was really Allen's fault. Targeting Beasley. 17. Bengals - One minute left in a playoff blowout, so who really cares. Threw way late to Beasley. Not a lot of velocity on the pass allowed a DB to get under it. Targeting Beasley. A few interesting conclusions: - Communication issues with the WRs and RBs, especially Gabe Davis. I think these option routes really caused a lot of issues last year. - Only one pick targeting Diggs, and it was really just a great defensive play. Why only one pick targeting our most targeted player? Makes me think that a lot of this is on the receiver. - Throwing late and scrambling. Allen needs to throw it away 10% more when scrambling. Live to fight another down. - Twice as many picks the second half of the season vs the first half. I'm convinced Allen got some sort of injury around halftime of the GB game. His play totally fell off after that. So if you’re going to include all the INTs that weren’t Josh’s fault, you should include all the dropped INTs by the opposition. Josh accepts more risk than most QBs, and for the most part, I’m okay with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 We all love the gunslinger mentality in Josh, but he needs to be disciplined to throw the ball away at times. Interceptions should go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 31 minutes ago, Chaos said: In other words double digit ints does have a damn thing to do with not going to the super bowl. Three INTs and three fumbles in two playoff games does, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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