Beane to blame

[I'm Spartacus]

Very disappointing game to watch. The Bills sure didn't look like a 13-3 team from the year before.

[MikePJ76]

I don't think its time to panic yet but I wish buffalo had one do over from the draft.

 

at 150 they took justin shorter and he is probably not going to help this team for awhile meanwhile 19 picks later Dallas took OT Asim Richards and he looks like a player.  He would be the swing tackle here with the way he is performing in the preaseason.

 

 

[Tipster19]

I’m thankful for this post, I can see this is where I can air a complaint. First, if it ends up to where the Bills miss having Edmunds then I’ll be totally disillusioned with football, or better yet, if the Bills can’t find a better replacement. It looks like the same old story with the run defense, if accurate this is going to be a very bumpy season. Secondly this OL doesn’t even come close to looking good. I don’t know if this can even be corrected at this point. I hope Kromer is a magician because I sure don’t see any continuity with this group. Josh is still affected by the lack of proper pass protection. That’s a pretty scary thought before facing a very good and physical DL from the Jets. Thirdly I can see that Josh & Co are in season form with “We’ll learn from this” press conferences. The Bills’ “education” takes longer than a Rhodes Scholar’s. When will our “students” become graduates from these same idiotic blunders?
 

There, I’m done. Have a good day.

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, Tipster19 said:

I’m thankful for this post, I can see this is where I can air a complaint. First, if it ends up to where the Bills miss having Edmunds then I’ll be totally disillusioned with football, or better yet, if the Bills can’t find a better replacement. It looks like the same old story with the run defense, if accurate this is going to be a very bumpy season. Secondly this OL doesn’t even come close to looking good. I don’t know if this can even be corrected at this point. I hope Kromer is a magician because I sure don’t see any continuity with this group. Josh is still affected by the lack of proper pass protection. That’s a pretty scary thought before facing a very good and physical DL from the Jets. Thirdly I can see that Josh & Co are in season form with “We’ll learn from this” press conferences. The Bills’ “education” takes longer than a Rhodes Scholar’s. When will our “students” become graduates from these same idiotic blunders?

There, I’m done. Have a good day.

 

Why am I skeptical of the bold?   😋

 

 

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Edited August 20, 2023 by Augie

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Just now, Augie said:

 

Why am I skeptical of the bold?  

It does stick in their craw that the impetus of a thread has been usurped. 🤔😁

[Franco_92]

I too blame Beane for this second preseason loss in the last five seasons. 

[Augie]

I hope this serves as a wake up call and is part of us preparing for a solid season. Sometimes getting punched in the mouth can actually be a good thing. I am most worried about MLB, but OT depth has taken a blow in the last week. Something will be done, and I hope it is enough. I miss Edmunds already, but not to the tune of $18mil/year. 

[uticaclub]

We don't have a RT, Dawkins regressed the last few years, Poyer wanted out of Buffalo but didn't get any other offers. Eric Washington didn't have anything good to say about Oliver but we extended him anyway We peaked with McDermott & Beane, tear it down & try again. It was a good run

[Radar]

Unfortunately I'm a Beane doubter and have been for awhile now. Other than the Allen pick he's very average.

[Eastport bills]

26 minutes ago, balln said:

No. I’m evaluating starters against starters. And keeping in mind how we looked exactly the same vs cicny

It’s about being shrewd and making tough decisions. Chiefs traded away tyreke hill! 
 

keeping tre white , poyer , Oliver and signing knox are bad business moves IMO. Needed better lines on both sides. 
 

just not good enough guys 

You’re basing this on one half of a preseason game. OK. The Cinn. game is last year and we didn’t show up for whatever reason. Give it a chance before making blanket assessments. We will see if the HC can bring the level of play up to what we need. Sometimes you need to get punched in the mouth. Was 13and3 an illusion? These same players beat KC and have won their division 3 years in a row. You haven’t seen Knox or Miller yet and you want to get rid of Tre While just as he’s getting healthy. Can we see these guys in a regular season game please.

[ToGoGo]

28 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

This was merely this week's award.  We all know there will be at least a few overreaction threads on the board anytime the Bills lose. 😁

I hope these fans don’t jump off bridges when they have a bad day in their personal life. 
 

It’s like their minds are incapable of seeing any sort of big picture. They don’t understand cycles and flows of things. Just zero wisdom of life, or even football for that matter. 

[Buffalo03]

3 hours ago, balln said:

Is anyone else thinking this team was grossly mismanaged by beane ?

 

The double down on Spencer brown with no depth or drafting (shell signing and retiring is a joke)

 

just saying yea Dion dawkins is the starter - giving no competition to that fat slug. The wing eating contest at practice thing during playoffs or end of season was a wtf moment. Go back and watch cincy playoff game. Dawkins was worse than spencer

 

everyone and their mother would have let an aging / battle injured safety just go in FA. But instead we sign him back. Poyer starts getting beat w speed more and more. Every kc game , and Mia game it’s glaring 

 

everyone and their mother would not have extended Ed Oliver . My god he’s a liability on most plays. 

 

The elam first round pick! Enough said. can’t get on the field 

 

the investments both high draft picks and FA signings to the DL with poor return 

I agree. After the 2nd preseason game, just sell the team 

[balln]

29 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

You’re basing this on one half of a preseason game. OK. The Cinn. game is last year and we didn’t show up for whatever reason. Give it a chance before making blanket assessments. We will see if the HC can bring the level of play up to what we need. Sometimes you need to get punched in the mouth. Was 13and3 an illusion? These same players beat KC and have won their division 3 years in a row. You haven’t seen Knox or Miller yet and you want to get rid of Tre While just as he’s getting healthy. Can we see these guys in a regular season game please.

I have given it a chance. 6 years of this coach. They get punched in the mouth more than they do the punching. They are a finesse passing O and a passive bend but don’t break D. Tre white may be healthy - buts he slow, old and past his prime. We will get to see them in the reg season and it’s not gonna be pretty 

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

1.  The Bills have not been in a position to draft a top end tackle because of the success they've had - most of those guys go in the top of the first round. 

 

True, but there were some opportunities that we unfortunately missed.

 

Orlando Brown Jr, pro-bowl T, went after we would have picked. We decided to trade down. Ended up with Harrison Phillips instead.

Brian O' Neill, pro-bowl T, went after we would have picked. We decided to trade down. Ended up with Harrison Phillips instead.

Chris Lindstrom, pro-bowl G, went after the Bills picked. We chose Oliver instead.

Creed Humphrey, best C in the league, went after the Bills picked. We chose Rousseou instead. 

 

There is also free agency over the past couple of years, where good to very good T's were available. For example, Joe Thuney was available. And La'ell Collins was available. And Terron Armstead was available. And Duane Brown was available. And Jason Peters was available. All of these players singed with new teams, and some do have issues (for example, Terron is a walking injury), but they were available. 

 

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

But you can't blame a GM for not being Nostradamus when you go out and get a veteran who's started in the league as competition, and he decides to retire.  

 

Not sure how Shell retiring is relevant. I don't think anyone, Beane included, was expecting Brandon Shell to start at RT. Beane signed him in the Summer, on a cheap deal, for only 1 year, and he was battling with Quessenberry to not be the 3rd string RT. 

 

We can absolutely blame Beane for not adequately addressing the Tackle position. You don't have to be Nostradmus to know that signing an old vet who was fighting to not be the 3rd string RT before is not exactly fixing the position.

 

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

 

4.  Without Oliver you would have had 1 DT under contract next year.  One.  Oliver will also be fine, everyone was expecting the second coming of Donald.

 

I know it's just a few series of one pre-season game, but I just do not see what others (and apparently Beane) see in Oliver. When he is not battling an injury, he is remarkably mediocre. He will flash for a play or two, and then get tossed around like a rag doll for half a dozen plays. I simply do not understand why we re-signed him.

[scuba guy]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Steelers had a LT, LG, RG and a WR vs AJ Epenesa, Tyrel Dodson, and Matt Milano. Dane Jackson was 10 yards off the ball and retreated even more after the snap. Poona Ford and Tim Settle fall down. Poyer didn’t want to tackle.

 

The Bills probably never call that defense in the regular season.
 

 

So also the right tackle of the Steelers fell on top of both groot and settle which made poona also go down serious push in the back that took out 3 bills no call.  This game was all about Tomlin getting packback over Clappy for the ass betting we gave them last year.  Pitts d was not vanilla and using blitz and stunts to put pressure on.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, balln said:

N

 

keeping tre white , poyer , Oliver and signing knox are bad business moves IMO. Needed better lines on both sides. 
 

just not good enough guys 

Oliver was the worst of them I'm ok with keeping white and knox for sure. But letting Edmunds go in favor of little  Ed Oliver is a deal breaker for me

[balln]

9 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

True, but there were some opportunities that we unfortunately missed.

 

Orlando Brown Jr, pro-bowl T, went after we would have picked. We decided to trade down. Ended up with Harrison Phillips instead.

Brian O' Neill, pro-bowl T, went after we would have picked. We decided to trade down. Ended up with Harrison Phillips instead.

Chris Lindstrom, pro-bowl G, went after the Bills picked. We chose Oliver instead.

Creed Humphrey, best C in the league, went after the Bills picked. We chose Rousseou instead. 

 

There is also free agency over the past couple of years, where good to very good T's were available. For example, Joe Thuney was available. And La'ell Collins was available. And Terron Armstead was available. And Duane Brown was available. And Jason Peters was available. All of these players singed with new teams, and some do have issues (for example, Terron is a walking injury), but they were available. 

 

 

Not sure how Shell retiring is relevant. I don't think anyone, Beane included, was expecting Brandon Shell to start at RT. Beane signed him in the Summer, on a cheap deal, for only 1 year, and he was battling with Quessenberry to not be the 3rd string RT. 

 

We can absolutely blame Beane for not adequately addressing the Tackle position. You don't have to be Nostradmus to know that signing an old vet who was fighting to not be the 3rd string RT before is not exactly fixing the position.

 

 

I know it's just a few series of one pre-season game, but I just do not see what others (and apparently Beane) see in Oliver. When he is not battling an injury, he is remarkably mediocre. He will flash for a play or two, and then get tossed around like a rag doll for half a dozen plays. I simply do not understand why we re-signed him.

Yup. I just have to accept like the fanboys on here that there was no one else / we don’t have anyone on the roster !

 

NO effffing Shite!!!!! Beane has to replenish the roster over 1-3 years . It’s his fault he felt pigeon holed having to sign the MoST mediocre DT in Ed

Edited August 20, 2023 by balln

[Einstein]

7 minutes ago, balln said:

Yup. I just have to accept like the fanboys on here that there was no one else / we don’t have anyone on the roster !

 

NO effffing Shite!!!!! Beane has to replenish the roster over 1-3 years . It’s his fault he felt pigeon holed having to sign the MoST mediocre DT in Ed

 

I have a feeling that by the end of this season, the Bills will have wished they spent the Ed Oliver money on Mike McGlinchey. For $19M more (over 5 years), we could have had a very good Tackle.

[Ta111]

1 hour ago, arcane said:

I too blame Beane for this second preseason loss in the last five seasons. 

I also blame him for having a third string QB who threw 3 picks in in an exhibition game.

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

2 hours ago, balln said:

 

Tell me again the trophy you earn for being the “best” run team? Oh that’s right. No one cares. Super Bowl or bust 

Based on your posts, their are 31 teams every year that are "grossly mismanaged" because they didn't win the superbowl?  Brilliant logic.  

[balln]

4 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Based on your posts, their are 31 teams every year that are "grossly mismanaged" because they didn't win the superbowl?  Brilliant logic.  

No. Not when they have a Josh Allen. Go cheer on this crap then bro - I’m not raining on your parade 

[Don Otreply]

37 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Point by point:

 

1.  I am a believer that you win up front.   The Bills have not been in a position to draft a top end tackle because of the success they've had - most of those guys go in the top of the first round.  Brown had a tough outing yesterday from what I'm reading (haven't watched the game yet).  But you can't blame a GM for not being Nostradamus when you go out and get a veteran who's started in the league as competition, and he decides to retire.  So it was not a joke.  I think we're either going to see another T brought in this week, or we may see the Dutch kid get the start.  

 

2.  I am wondering if Dawkins may be suffering from long Covid effects myself.  If so, the medical staff needed to alert Beane.  But I think Dawkins will be OK.  we should prioritize drafting a T next year though.

 

3.  If Poyer leaves in free agency who do you have to replace him?  No one knew if Hamlin could or would play again.  And we hadn't even sniffed at Rapp yet.  Poyer will also be fine.  He may have lost a step, but veterans make up for that with their understanding of where plays are going.  So I am not panicking over one run in a pre-season game.  

 

4.  Without Oliver you would have had 1 DT under contract next year.  One.  Oliver will also be fine, everyone was expecting the second coming of Donald.

 

5.  Elam needs to learn zone concepts more and quit grabbing as much.  It is the beginning of his second season in the league and he's still got things to learn.   We have 4 corners that can play in the NFL which is more than many teams can say.

  The game as we all know is always won and lost in the trenches.

 

  Imo, the problem with the trenches that the Bills have presently stems from the beginning of this regime, they rarely have prioritized the Oline, in that they have not aggressively gone after noticeably above average to elite talent annually as would be expected in a pass first league, (giving credit, they did get a center and LT) the O line has been short of talent for the most part in both guard and RT positions every season of this regime. 
 

  Our HC and GM evidently believe that the defense is more important than the offense, and it has shown most in the quality of acquisitions to the lines.
 

  This off season the lights flickered enough in their minds that they where forced to start a better effort to fortify the O-line at the guard positions, hopefully this concept continues going forward. Unfortunately our LT came into camp unfit and over weight, our RT although a high RAS guy is not panning out thus far.  Now it appears that the interior O-line is the stronger part of the unit and it’s the OTs that are lacking, go figure, 
 

After having said all of this I am choosing to believe that last nights game was not a true indication of the teams abilities, time will tell. 🤞
 

GO BILLS!!!

[Ethan in Cleveland]

OMG this board is amazing. People are losing their minds over a game the starters should never have even played. 

Can we save the anxiety and negativity for real games???

I'm as big a McD and Beane skeptic as anyone but you need to judge them on real games not paper signings and fake preseason games.

[Eastport bills]

51 minutes ago, balln said:

I have given it a chance. 6 years of this coach. They get punched in the mouth more than they do the punching. They are a finesse passing O and a passive bend but don’t break D. Tre white may be healthy - buts he slow, old and past his prime. We will get to see them in the reg season and it’s not gonna be pretty 

I’ll remind you of that statement after the game. Other teams fans would kill a relative for our record the last 3 seasons since Josh got good. Be optimistic instead whining after a preseason game.

[balln]

1 minute ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

OMG this board is amazing. People are losing their minds over a game the starters should never have even played. 

Can we save the anxiety and negativity for real games???

I'm as big a McD and Beane skeptic as anyone but you need to judge them on real games not paper signings and fake preseason games.

I normally give zero credence to preseason.

 

but not when they looked that helpless on both sides. And especially when the first teams played the other teams 2s and still looked inept 

Just now, Eastport bills said:

I’ll remind you of that statement after the game. Other teams fans would kill a relative for our record the last 3 seasons since Josh got good. Be optimistic instead whining after a preseason game.

You want me be to be optimistic ? Why for you? You’re the child who’s seriously going to remind me after what? Every regular season win? Ok -go for it. Playoffs and Super Bowl win is all that matters

[Eastport bills]

17 minutes ago, balln said:

I normally give zero credence to preseason.

 

but not when they looked that helpless on both sides. And especially when the first teams played the other teams 2s and still looked inept 

You want me be to be optimistic ? Why for you? You’re the child who’s seriously going to remind me after what? Every regular season win? Ok -go for it. Playoffs and Super Bowl win is all that matters

 

17 minutes ago, balln said:

I normally give zero credence to preseason.

 

but not when they looked that helpless on both sides. And especially when the first teams played the other teams 2s and still looked inept 

You want me be to be optimistic ? Why for you? You’re the child who’s seriously going to remind me after what? Every regular season win? Ok -go for it. Playoffs and Super Bowl win is all that matters

You’re being the petulant child that has made looking good in the preseason when no one even game plans or uses blitz packages, the defining factor in your own self worth. Root for the Bengals if you need to. If the Bills are bad this season and Sean doesn’t win playoff games and at least gets to the conference title game, I’ll be right there calling for his ouster. This is just entertainment not life or death.

[Success]

Nice alliteration.

 

[AuntieEm]

3 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Bernard is their only hope because Dodson/Klein/Spector aren’t the answer.  It isn’t encouraging that Bernard could not convincingly step ahead of Dodson in camp before his hamstring injury.

 

Maybe ge did but they aren't gonna just say Bernard won the position and then let the losers play the preseason games.  Yes the still want to put out good rape but who is gonna play  100% if they know they have no chance of winning the position on team.

 

 

[SCBills]

This is hell. 
 

 

[McBean]

4 hours ago, balln said:

Is anyone else thinking this team was grossly mismanaged by beane ?

 

The double down on Spencer brown with no depth or drafting (shell signing and retiring is a joke)

 

just saying yea Dion dawkins is the starter - giving no competition to that fat slug. The wing eating contest at practice thing during playoffs or end of season was a wtf moment. Go back and watch cincy playoff game. Dawkins was worse than spencer

 

everyone and their mother would have let an aging / battle injured safety just go in FA. But instead we sign him back. Poyer starts getting beat w speed more and more. Every kc game , and Mia game it’s glaring 

 

everyone and their mother would not have extended Ed Oliver . My god he’s a liability on most plays. 

 

The elam first round pick! Enough said. can’t get on the field 

 

the investments both high draft picks and FA signings to the DL with poor return 

HA! Beane to blame huh?

 

HELLO!??

 

Ive been pounding the table for over 2 years about McClappy. MCLAP IS THE CEO. BEANE IS LEGIT A PUPPET OF HIS.

 

Wake up folks. We are not going to WIN A TITLE WITH MCLAP! Period. The man is an average coach at best who’s wasting a generational talent at the main position.

 

I’ll continue to chirp this until he’s fired or proves me wrong (highly unlikely.)

[Shortchaz]

We COULD fix our RT problem by moving Dawkins there but then we need a LT 

[Billsflyer12]

19 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

 

You’re being the petulant child that has made looking good in the preseason when no one even game plans or uses blitz packages, the defining factor in your own self worth. Root for the Bengals if you need to. If the Bills are bad this season and Sean doesn’t win playoff games and at least gets to the conference title game, I’ll be right there calling for his ouster. This is just entertainment not life or death.

Do the opposing teams also not gameplay or is it just the Bills who don’t?  I hear this Bills don’t game plan argument like they don’t and the other team does.

 

Its worse that when neither team game plans you get beat down like that.  You either are man to man worse or unprofessionally uninterested.

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

14 minutes ago, SCBills said:

This is hell. 
 

 

One GM (kc) prioritizes their franchise QB by protecting them. Then you have Beane. It’s so hard to watch others do what’s smart. 

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Difference with an offensive HC and one that needs top picks and money at just about every position on defense.

I hear ya. Andy Reid is light years ahead of us in every way. Then they give him the tools to work with (o line). It’s almost unfair. 

[Just in Atlanta]

haiku for balln 

 

why are clouds so grey?

everything is just awful

there is no purpose

[djp14150]

5 hours ago, balln said:

Is anyone else thinking this team was grossly mismanaged by beane ?

 

The double down on Spencer brown with no depth or drafting (shell signing and retiring is a joke)

 

just saying yea Dion dawkins is the starter - giving no competition to that fat slug. The wing eating contest at practice thing during playoffs or end of season was a wtf moment. Go back and watch cincy playoff game. Dawkins was worse than spencer

 

everyone and their mother would have let an aging / battle injured safety just go in FA. But instead we sign him back. Poyer starts getting beat w speed more and more. Every kc game , and Mia game it’s glaring 

 

everyone and their mother would not have extended Ed Oliver . My god he’s a liability on most plays. 

 

The elam first round pick! Enough said. can’t get on the field 

 

the investments both high draft picks and FA signings to the DL with poor return 

 

so the sky is falling?  Got it….

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

This is hell. 
 

 

I really loath this man…

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I really loath this man…

why because he has a competent coach and FO?

 

It really is amazing these guys got Josh, while simultaneously getting so much else wrong.

 

[Believer]

Nope…

 

Unless Beane, McDermott or both put pressure on Pegula for early extensions… I blame Pegula…

Beane and McDermott weren’t going anywhere…

 

Extensions should have been offered after the Bills won an AFC Conference Championship or the Super Bowl.

 

Went to their heads… Wrong message for the team… Wrong message for the fans…

[Steptide]

Almost a day later and I still don't care how ugly last night's game was. There's way too much talent on the bills to be as bad as they were last night. I'm fully confident they get it figured out.