Question About Josh Allen’s Elbow

[Ga boy]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Imagine being Josh Allen and having every single decision you make micro-analyzed.  Maybe he wants to practice his sliding and doesn't want turf burns on his elbows. 🩹 Or maybe he's hiding track marks 🤦‍♂️ 

 

Or maybe he's cold.  Josh has actually worn long sleeve shirts to practice a fair bit.  68 in Orchard Park right now, can feel chilly when you exercise then stop.

 

 

This.  When I come to Buffalo from Ga in the summer, I bring some long sleeves.  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

To me only Allen could really answer if there is a loss of arm strength with two UCL injuries in the past 5 years.

 

Our media would have to ask an open ended question - Josh has there been any loss of pure arm strength with the UCL injuries? 
 

Instead they love serendipity stories and fate and destiny and soap opera narratives. 

[HOUSE]

56 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I have it on good authority that Kim Pegula does, in fact, have two elbows.

 

Can she throw 70 yards ?

[machine gun kelly]

3 hours ago, eball said:

 

Maybe it's just me, but his elbow looks sore in that video.

 

You’re kidding right. Eman.  Did you notice the originator of the thread surprisingly has only 5 posts?  Hmmm.  Not that aJets/Fish/ or Cheats fan would ever troll a Bills fan board and try to plant seeds of doubt.  I’m sure that’s not the case here.

 

Things that you go, hmmm.  Good song from the 90’s.

 

The silly thing is when he comes out on MNF and lights up that offense, all the negative, worried, concerns go away.  The Jets defense is one of the best in the league, but their offense won’t be humming in week 1.  Where I am more concerned is in the 2nd meeting in OP with the Jets.  By then, their offense will be in stride and that will be a tougher game.

[eball]

26 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Can she throw 70 yards ?

 

Only if wearing long sleeves.

 

[SoMAn]

3 hours ago, Steve32994 said:

Let’s have a discussion about Josh Allen’s elbow and whether we should be concerned at all moving forward.

 

As of now, all we know is that he left the practice field for 20min or so a couple weeks back to get “Stretched out” and then he returned to practice and resumed his normal activities after that. Since then we have been told that there are no issues and that everything is fine, which includes fully practicing and practicing well.

 

What I have noticed though is that since Josh was removed from practice he has exclusively practiced with a white long sleeved shirt, effectively not showing us his elbow at all. He played the Red & Blue scrimmage with short sleeves which was right before the incident the next Monday. Let’s remember last year, as soon as Josh hurt his elbow against the Jets, he played with a long sleeve shirt in every single game after that because he was wearing a brace. It doesn’t appear during practice that he’s wearing anything under the sleeve, but why has he’s been wearing long sleeves when it’s been 80 degrees out? He’s never done that in the past. He barely ever wore long sleeves during the previously 4.5 seasons in his career.
 

Just wondering….Sorry to be negative but it’s a legit concern for me

 

 

Great detective work Shamus!

I notice his pads cover his knees also. Could be covering areas frequently effected by psoriasis. 😜 

Next up: why is Von Miller always so upbeat and Diggs often moody? Enquiring minds want to know. 

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

3 hours ago, teef said:

was kim pegula really at that practice?

Not the original Kim, but the new one was there.

[Steve32994]

22 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

Great detective work Shamus!

I notice his pads cover his knees also. Could be covering areas frequently effected by psoriasis. 😜 

Next up: why is Von Miller always so upbeat and Diggs often moody? Enquiring minds want to know. 

 

 

Laugh all you want to but he has not practiced without sleeves since the stretching “incident”. We’re talking about a guy who said he almost didn’t wear sleeves during the Patriots wildcard playoffs game which was 0 degrees outside. Now he where’s sleeves to every practice in 80 degree heat and just coincidentally started wearing them every practice, which hasn’t been the case all of training camp until that point. Maybe it’s nothing and I hope it’s nothing but being that I’ve partially torn my own UCL, from experience I can tell you it took almost 2 years to get to 100%

[Aimee75]

3 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

To me only Allen could really answer if there is a loss of arm strength with two UCL injuries in the past 5 years.

 

Our media would have to ask an open ended question - Josh has there been any loss of pure arm strength with the UCL injuries? 
 

Instead they love serendipity stories and fate and destiny and soap opera narratives. 

Was it last week when he threw that ridiculous pass(I think it was to Diggs) that was trending and the main culprit of it treding was because his "arm strength" is what made the throw so absurd.

[Freddie's Dead]

6 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Based solely off the off season rumor market, if any body part of Josh Allen's causes the Bills anguish this year...it won't be his elbow.

 

This^^^^. It will be another joint....

[eball]

Just now, Freddie's Dead said:

 

This^^^^. It will be another joint....

 

Not a “bone?”

 

[TBBills Fan]

Was Damar Hamlin cloned?

[Simon]

4 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Not a “bone?”

 

 

He could be rolling up Sativa as bait 🤷‍♂️

[Shemp]

I still can't get over that he's wearing Gary Maranghi's number.

[mjt328]

Despite the sarcastic comments, I think the OP is making a legitimate observation.

 

When the UCL injury occurred, there were many concerns that it could be a long-term/career type problem.

It clearly bothered him up until the season ended in January, and there is no guarantee he's just going to be OK with an offseason to rest.

 

From reports, he's taken at least 2-3 hard hits in training camp.  And it was after one of these incidents that he went back with the training staff, and since that point has suddenly started wearing sleeves at all times.  Maybe it's a precaution.  Maybe it's a coincidence.  Or maybe there was a flare-up.  You really can't expect the coaching staff to tell us if this was the case.

 

For all the videos of Josh "slinging it" all over the field, he was doing it last year too after the injury.  The issues that cropped up where mostly with short-range accuracy, and times he needed to adjust his arm angle.  

 

[AuntieEm]

9 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

Despite the sarcastic comments, I think the OP is making a legitimate observation.

 

When the UCL injury occurred, there were many concerns that it could be a long-term/career type problem.

It clearly bothered him up until the season ended in January, and there is no guarantee he's just going to be OK with an offseason to rest.

 

From reports, he's taken at least 2-3 hard hits in training camp.  And it was after one of these incidents that he went back with the training staff, and since that point has suddenly started wearing sleeves at all times.  Maybe it's a precaution.  Maybe it's a coincidence.  Or maybe there was a flare-up.  You really can't expect the coaching staff to tell us if this was the case.

 

For all the videos of Josh "slinging it" all over the field, he was doing it last year too after the injury.  The issues that cropped up where mostly with short-range accuracy, and times he needed to adjust his arm angle.  

 

 

   It could be this and if so as you say they aren't gonna let it get out so defenders would try get a few shots in to take limit Allen.  

 

  It could also just be he took some shots and has a bruise upper arm and or elbow.  Could be a grass burn they have wrapped and know the media frenzy it would generate.

 

   It could also be the skin graft was torn from the elbow area that you can clearly see the bionic elbow Josh had implanted this offseason.   I would have embedded the voice over from the 6 million dollar man just we all know Josh is worth more than Lee majors.  Talk about inflation.

[Coldfronts]

7 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

yup, if you listen very carefully after each throw he yells out "ouch my elbow".

Edited August 16, 2023 by Coldfronts

[AuntieEm]

4 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

You’re kidding right. Eman.  Did you notice the originator of the thread surprisingly has only 5 posts?  Hmmm.  Not that aJets/Fish/ or Cheats fan would ever troll a Bills fan board and try to plant seeds of doubt.  I’m sure that’s not the case here.

 

Things that you go, hmmm.  Good song from the 90’s.

 

The silly thing is when he comes out on MNF and lights up that offense, all the negative, worried, concerns go away.  The Jets defense is one of the best in the league, but their offense won’t be humming in week 1.  Where I am more concerned is in the 2nd meeting in OP with the Jets.  By then, their offense will be in stride and that will be a tougher game.

 

This is to address your concern over the 2nd meeting in OP.  I have no crystal ball and never met anyone with unmistakable clairvoyance.  So my take is yes the Jets offense will be more robust that game.  However our offense will have had evolved a large degree as well and to be honest I think the Jets defense gets pùnched in the mouth repeatedly and might be the future reason sauce gardener signs a contract to be a Bill. I mean if I'm gonna use my imagination of what possibilities there are I'm gonna tailor it to benefit the Bills long term.  And I do like seeing Bills punch opponents in the mouth offensively speaking.  

Edited August 16, 2023 by AuntieEm

[Buckets]

7 hours ago, scuba guy said:

If he is getting stint done on his elbow and surrounding area you would see the red marks on his arm.

 

And also there is a tool you can use to soften the area and it makes red circles 🔴. 

 

My thoughts are he is wearing the long shirt so you do not see those marks.

 

Basically the are doing work in that area and they are not showing it.

WOW!!!!!!!

[Ralonzo]

Josh Allen can't put his elbow into his ear, but he can put your elbow into your ear.

[Artful Dodger]

Any objective observer would have to conclude that Josh Allen has the best elbow in the NFL. 

[without a drought]

I heard he is just covering up his unicorn tattoo.

[AuntieEm]

6 hours ago, Ga boy said:

This.  When I come to Buffalo from Ga in the summer, I bring some long sleeves.  

Yea he doesn't get all the reps in practice so he's gonna get time he's just watching and I'm sure it feels better with some of the cool days we gèt compared to his home in CA.   Big reason some FA don't flick to northern teams and the warmer teams get some advantage in that regard. 

Edited August 16, 2023 by AuntieEm

[BADOLBILZ]

7 hours ago, eball said:

 

So the answer is that Josh has had no shoulder/collar bone injuries since college, which means at least 6-7 years ago, but you felt it necessary to mention those injuries because of the "they add up" factor.  Got it.

 

Did you know that Aaron Rodgers (whom you mentioned in your earlier post) fractured his right (throwing) clavicle twice, in 2013 and 2017?  Have those injuries "added up" to where he can't throw the ball well any more?  He has also had three concussions, the last in 2018.

 

Per usual, you make up stuff and exaggerate to try and prove your point.  We know you are on a crusade that Josh Allen doesn't protect himself well enough, despite the fact his two most significant injuries occurred in the pocket.

 

The question asked in this thread is whether or not Josh's elbow is still an issue.  None of us know that, but by all accounts he is "slinging it" just like we've come to expect.

 

 

 

 

I'm very aware that Rodgers fractured his collar bone in 2013 and 2017...........but by your logic those don't count........because Josh Allen's two collar bone breaks don't count because they happened in a similarly distant time frame between 2011 and 2015.

 

As for the elbow.........Josh Allen has had two UCL tears in 5 years in the NFL and Rodgers has had none in 18 years(15 as starter).

 

I know what the question was.   I very clearly addressed that in the first sentence of my response to the OP so maybe go back, read that and get back in your bottle.

 

My point stands.........he's had more arm/shoulder/collar bone injuries in over a decade less of football than Aaron Rodgers.    

 

He's also had more rushing attempts thru age 26 than Rodgers had until his age 35 season.

 

It's common knowledge that Allen is putting a lot of hard miles on his body.

 

[oldmanfan]

10 hours ago, Steve32994 said:

Even if that’s the case, why wear long sleeves exclusively? Could the elbow be taped and he doesn’t want people to see?

Because he wants to

[LeGOATski]

10 hours ago, cle23 said:

Could be just to keep everything loosened up, like MLB pitchers do.  Throwing a football isn't a "natural" motion, and it can be hard on your joints, ligaments, and muscles.  

Throwing a football is natural. It's pitching a baseball that's not natural. That's why pitchers are always at risk of throwing out their shoulder or elbow.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

8 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Does she work on elbows?

Am I the only one who thinks Kim is a babe and Terry is not giving her the love she desperately needs ?

[Big Blitz]

Imagine how concerned the OP must be about Brock Purdy.  

[Beast]

6 hours ago, Steve32994 said:

Laugh all you want to but he has not practiced without sleeves since the stretching “incident”. We’re talking about a guy who said he almost didn’t wear sleeves during the Patriots wildcard playoffs game which was 0 degrees outside. Now he where’s sleeves to every practice in 80 degree heat and just coincidentally started wearing them every practice, which hasn’t been the case all of training camp until that point. Maybe it’s nothing and I hope it’s nothing but being that I’ve partially torn my own UCL, from experience I can tell you it took almost 2 years to get to 100%

Get real with your bull####.

 

If there was ANY sign of Josh Allen having soreness in his elbow they would shut him down until the regular season started.

[BringBackFlutie]

9 hours ago, Logic said:

Josh Allen Sleeve Watch 2023.

Get into it!!!

 

I can't handle this. I'll jump in shark-infested waters.

[Beast]

3 hours ago, mjt328 said:

 

When the UCL injury occurred, there were many concerns that it could be a long-term/career type problem.

 

Who had these “many concerns”?

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

3 hours ago, mjt328 said:

Despite the sarcastic comments, I think the OP is making a legitimate observation.

 

When the UCL injury occurred, there were many concerns that it could be a long-term/career type problem.

It clearly bothered him up until the season ended in January, and there is no guarantee he's just going to be OK with an offseason to rest.

 

From reports, he's taken at least 2-3 hard hits in training camp.  And it was after one of these incidents that he went back with the training staff, and since that point has suddenly started wearing sleeves at all times.  Maybe it's a precaution.  Maybe it's a coincidence.  Or maybe there was a flare-up.  You really can't expect the coaching staff to tell us if this was the case.

 

For all the videos of Josh "slinging it" all over the field, he was doing it last year too after the injury.  The issues that cropped up where mostly with short-range accuracy, and times he needed to adjust his arm angle.  

 

 

 The first few weeks Josh didn't throw during the week. I would say in at least the first 3 games the lack of arm strength was noticeable on many of his passes. There was little to no zip. There were also passes where it was apparent that he was trying to use more body and less arm. One that comes to mind is the 5 yard td to Diggs against Cleveland 2 weeks after the injury. With no one near him he nearly fell over to his left because he was using some much of his body on that throw.

 

 Out of the first 3 games after Josh's injury I thought his arm looked the best against the Vikings, only a week after the injury. Then the following week against Cleveland and looked the worst in the Loins game on only 4 days rest. He had a couple big throws in that game, that he ripped it, but there were a number of passes that had no zip on them at all.

 

  All in all, if there was something wrong with his elbow, I would think management would be smart enough to sit him for awhile seeing how real games are still 3 weeks away.

 

 

 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

My point stands.........he's had more arm/shoulder/collar bone injuries in over a decade less of football than Aaron Rodgers.    

 

By your logic, only "arm/shoulder/collar bone" count, but that's ridiculous!

 

How many times has Rodgers played through injuries and hurt his team?

 

Why is it that Rodgers, who doesn't put his body on the line NEARLY as much as Josh, have so many more injuries?

 

You're being disingenuous.

 

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/aaron-rodgers/2636

 

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/josh-allen/9962

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

By your logic, only "arm/shoulder/collar bone" count, but that's ridiculous!

 

How many times has Rodgers played through injuries and hurt his team?

 

Why is it that Rodgers, who doesn't put his body on the line NEARLY as much as Josh, have so many more injuries?

 

You're being disingenuous.

 

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/aaron-rodgers/2636

 

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/josh-allen/9962

 

 

 

 

The discussion is elbow injuries which I expanded to concern about his throwing arm itself, in general.

 

Rodgers has had his share of nagging injuries.........especially as he's aged..........and he's had injuries to both calves between OTA's and camp this year as well.

 

But other than the two broken collarbones(which I've often referenced when pointing out injuries that Josh is susceptible to due to his style of play) that's the extent of shoulder/elbow injuries that Rodgers has had in 18 years in the NFL.    His arm is pretty much the same as it's ever been.  

 

Elbow pain from repetitive injury can really end it for a QB.   See Jim Kelly and his hematoma for an elbow late in his career........or more recently Ben Roethlisberger.   

[AuntieEm]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Because he wants to

 

  I'd also imagine a compression sleeve may alleviate some minor irritations he may experience in his elbow given he has the tears.  Might be easily managed but if it's being managed okay and I truly believe our medical staff would not sign off on it if it were a risk to his long term ability. And honestly I'd think they also do prioritize players long term health. This isn't the redskins mismanaged Griffin 3 because a use they had a viable bu plan with Cousins. 

 

  I kept playing softball while I was younger even when I had obviously torn my rotator cuff.  Had to have been a minor tear as I still was able to throw just messed with my mechanics a bunch esp as I constantly tweaked it the whole softball season that year.  I initially started that season with a cast on my throwing arm as I had broken 2 fingers on my last day of duty at my German base, in like mid Dec.  Then it took until like may before I didn't need a cast it was a clean break just I didn't let having a cast stop me from playing softball or volleyball at my new base at Eglin FL.  So I likely added to the time it took the fracture to heal sufficiently.  The added weight of the cast and Tha awkward grip I had because of the cast had partial buildup to mid knuckles of the 2 fingers that were fractured at the palm area of the pointing finger and my middle finger.  That likely cause the tear on so n e throw I put extra velocity 8nto and the added wight of cast likely caused a tear.  I never did go get it checked.  I just play through the pain.  Once I was not playing either  it healed up as I have never had any further issues with it.

 

[Doc]

Unless he's wearing Tommy Copper, I'm not worried.

[Xwnyer]

I heard he needs a transplant 

[eball]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

blah…blah…blah

 

No evidence that Josh’s elbow is a current problem. Got it. 
 

[Kwai San]

14 hours ago, cle23 said:

Could be just to keep everything loosened up, like MLB pitchers do.  Throwing a football isn't a "natural" motion, and it can be hard on your joints, ligaments, and muscles.  

 

Lets face it....none of us....JA17 included are getting any younger......

12 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

You're thinking about his head?

 

The little one????

[Logic]

5 hours ago, BringBackFlutie said:

 

I can't handle this. I'll jump in shark-infested waters.

Just out of curiosity...

Now that the Bills have Josh Allen, do you still want them to, um...ya know...bring back Flutie?

I mean...his skin pigmentation and diminutive stature might make him an ideal fit as a slot receiver in the Erhardt-Perkins offense. Or he could be a drop-kick specialist?

I'm just thinking out loud here.

Edited August 17, 2023 by Logic